Official 2023-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread

[Def Swami]

I expect Suggs 3-pt percentage to be over 35% this season.

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This may very well happen. But it won't impact how opponents defend us until Suggs proves he can consistently take and make that shot. The scouting report is operating on 2 years of data that says Suggs shooting a wide open 3 is something they'll live with. He just doesn't command the gravity on the floor that a real knock down shooter does.

[basketballRob]

I expect Suggs 3-pt percentage to be over 35% this season.

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And Bamba to average 18-12-3

I don't think Franz will shoot 379 from the field either.

Our idiotic coaches like to over-run the players and obviously have no legs. That's likely why they were 1-10 last season on the second night of b2bs last season. The players simply aren't fresh because they practice them the day before b2bs instead of practicing them the day after the Portland game to train them on how to play in b2bs.

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[89Magicfan]

We had a great 3p% SG last year starting. Thats not enough. We need elite shooting from both G positions, as we dont get it from our F or C, but still we want to retain the players there.
Suggs at least is elite at something (Defense) und provides improvement as a shooter. He´s on a rookie contract, too.
Fultz wont improve, is UFA next summer, and doesnt fit at all to our core. We need to trade him for a better fit as long as we can.

Agree...Harris is solid but too selective a gunner when paired with a less frightening PG. He'd be fine next to a Ja/Westbrook, etc.

It's an easy position to attack, based on %...but at least Suggs will take the shots and has to be respected (a little?). Suggs could go off on any given night, his form looks good and he's certainly not shy. Whether Fultz' shooting is mental or physical is irrelevant...everyone in the NBA knows he's yippy about it and you can sag off of him. His highlight dunks are great, but they are all in transition - if we're being charitable, set him up with a fast paced second unit that suits his strengths until we inevitably part ways.

..but at least Suggs will take the shots and has to be respected (a little?)

Not really.
20 threes taken total
9 open
11 wide open

Result: 6-20 = 30% accuracy.


For argument sake, Harris is 6-9 on wide open 3s and 3-7 on open 3s. Basically, Harris is better shooter heavily contested than Suggs wide open.

to me it's simple: either remove Fultz or Suggs from starting lineup for Cole ( for Fultz) or Harris ( for Suggs). But current rotation simply won't get a job done. You can't rely on bench to score 30 points off backcourt just because your starters can't. That's self created problem. You have problem in SL because you pick players based on subjective reasons like draft stock (Suggs) and warm fuzzy feelings in heart (Fultz) when you watch them.

I’d keep Suggs in there for right now. Even though it’s unlikely, him becoming more consistent outside is more likely than Fultz being anything more than what he has been.

[eyriq]

I think you continue to let Suggs get starting reps and work on his outside shot. He's still developing.

[basketballRob]

I expect Suggs 3-pt percentage to be over 35% this season.

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And Bamba to average 18-12-3

That's close to what his per 36 is for his career.

I was also right about AG being a winner and the other 2 for players being losers.

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[tiderulz]

I expect Suggs 3-pt percentage to be over 35% this season.

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what causes this expectation?

[tiderulz]

I expect Suggs 3-pt percentage to be over 35% this season.

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And Bamba to average 18-12-3

That's close to what his per 36 is for his career.

I was also right about AG being a winner and the other 2 for players being losers.

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AG became a winner joining a team to become the 4th option behind Joker, Murray and MPJ.

[jezzerinho]

Suggs makes "winning plays " on defensive and but is as much of a problem on offense as Fultz is.

I think most people simply don't understand how much of an issue it is to play offense where 3 out of 5 players don't have to be guarded outside paint.
LIke, it's not just Fultz and Suggs. Wendell isn't treated as shooter himself.

Example 1:




First possession of first game, nobody from Houston's team stands further than FT line.


Example 2:


Suggs shoots mid range, nobody covers, Wendell is at 3 point line, his guy doesn't care. ( i talked about teams not caring about mid range for longest period of time, Suggs misses shot anyway).



Example 3: Lakers game

Paolo goes left, Reaves ignores Fultz and acts as help defender. Davis turns his back to Suggs, Wendell should be rolling toward, rim instad he is walking out to corner. Paolo has in same possession: avoid Russell, avoid Reaves and shoot over Lebron. That went as well as anybody could imagine.

Second possession: Both Suggs and Fultz are defended by one person. If you stop video at exect 2:03 mark (or play it in slow motion) you will notice that FOUR Lakers players are in space between 1 meter ( 3 feet) around Banchero.

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And that brings me to biggest problem. it's not just spacing, it's fact that not a single person, including Franz is used to play off ball all that much. They simply don't have habbit of being in right position at a right time and make simple catch&shoot. Banchero traps himself into impossible situations mostly because :
a) his players never clear driving lines
2) his players never actually bother to relocate in search for better spots to be
3) his players more often than not- literally stand in his way


Now, some of blame has to go to Banchero, but if you want "new Lebron/ Giannis" you simply can't play 4 guys who have no clue what to do offball and once they DO recive the ball, it's not natural for them to actually catch- and shoot. They catch- make dribbles and search for different views.

If I could +1 this 5 times I would.

Already this season, the ball movement seems a little better (hard for it not to be). But the off-ball movement is still putrid. Which, when you have a team that doesnt shoot reliably from 3, is a BIG issue.

Basketball is a game of creating space to score where none should exist. Off ball movement is the single biggest way to get defences in bad spots and open space. If you're a poor shooting team, this is vital to achieve, otherwise you're going to be a low efficiency scoring team who can never realistically keep pace with high 3pt% teams.

Ingles aside, this is a young, athletic and mobile team. There is zero excuse for them not to work harder to create imbalanced defences and open mismatches. Everyone will benefit from that, Paolo maybe most of all.

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Do some of you watch teams other than the Magic?

I seriously wonder by some of the takes in the thread.

[basketballRob]

I expect Suggs 3-pt percentage to be over 35% this season.

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what causes this expectation?

He's trended upwards in his first two seasons, and Cole took a huge jump in his 3rd season.

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[basketballRob]

And Bamba to average 18-12-3

That's close to what his per 36 is for his career.

I was also right about AG being a winner and the other 2 for players being losers.

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AG became a winner joining a team to become the 4th option behind Joker, Murray and MPJ.

I completely agree with you. He was the 4th option on offense and probably the best defender on a championship team.

[Residual-Heat]

Suggs shot better at catch and shoot 3s last season than Cole and much better than Fultz. Almost 35% last season, all he needs to do is get that closer to 38%.

[tiderulz]

That's close to what his per 36 is for his career.

I was also right about AG being a winner and the other 2 for players being losers.

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AG became a winner joining a team to become the 4th option behind Joker, Murray and MPJ.

I completely agree with you. He was the 4th option on offense and probably the best defender on a championship team.

had little to do with him though and mostly the team he joined

[Blue_and_Whte]

I expect Suggs 3-pt percentage to be over 35% this season.

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And Bamba to average 18-12-3

That's close to what his per 36 is for his career.

I was also right about AG being a winner and the other 2 for players being losers.

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You we’re 100% wrong about Mo and a lot of players become “winners” playing with the a title winning team… wtf. Mo Bamba is trash. Philly lost their back up and he’s still not playing.

[pepe1991]

And Bamba to average 18-12-3

That's close to what his per 36 is for his career.

I was also right about AG being a winner and the other 2 for players being losers.

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You we’re 100% wrong about Mo and a lot of players become “winners” playing with the a title winning team… wtf. Mo Bamba is trash. Philly lost their back up and he’s still not playing.

Not just that, it's hilarous that now palyer is "winner" because he had luxury to win a ring, i mean sure, it is but just some random "nba winners" as starters last couple of years:
JR Smith
Tristan Thompson
Boris Diaw
Mario Chalmers
Udonis Haslem
Tiago Splitter

there are probably way worst names i mentioned but the point stands, you don't talk about Tiago Spliiter as "nba winner". He was still same player on championship roster as he was on non championship ones. Role player. Simply guy who was lucky enough to be in right moment on right team.

Gordon contributed to his championship team, but every starter does.

Difference between Gordon on Magic and Gordon on Nuggets is simple. Here he could do whatever he felt like doing that day, on Nuggets he will do execlly what they tell him, or he will be on trade block tomarrow.

[Bensational]

People really over leveraged themselves betting against AG, didn’t they? Still trying to tear him down after he wins a championship. Keep it up guys, it might help Fournier get off the bench or Vuc get traded to a new team he can weigh down.

Imagine trying to make a case that Vuc and Fournier were the good players on this team…

[pepe1991]

People really over leveraged themselves betting against AG, didn’t they? Still trying to tear him down after he wins a championship. Keep it up guys, it might help Fournier get off the bench or Vuc get traded to a new team he can weigh down.

Imagine trying to make a case that Vuc and Fournier were the good players on this team…

Comming from guy who was making burner accounts to fight Gordon "haters" and who used to compare his ceiling to Kawhi Leonard.

Just to go down sad, trying to have victory laps over his 13 ppg career averages & being 4th option on championship team, that just happends to have best player in basketball on it.

Maybe bad hombre should make his epic comeback so you can now compare him to i don't know, Lebron


late edit: oh i forgot, you banned me and somebody else because you didn't like Gordon comments . Hell i even remember comment " Gordon was tank commander tonight", waking up, finding out Gordon Simp- moderator banned me You can't even make those stuff up. Like dude, get over yourself, Gordon is nba role player, he can be traded to Pistons today and Nuggets will still be top tear contender and nobody will care about him. Nobody but Magic fans cared about him before Nuggets trade anyway. We don't talk about some allstar /superstar player, but rotation player.
What's' the point of bringing Vuc & Evan? To feel better? Vuc just had 20-20 game, Evan is in doghouse because of things he said to Thib. Regardless, those guys surpassed average nba career by x2. It's clear they aren't scrubs like you are trying to paint them now.

Worst part about all this is that you, as Magic fan, still defend player who asked to be traded out of your favorite team, and same people who run a team, still run a team, and you still defend them as well. If you can't see contradiction in that thought process...well... what can i say? Maybe i should ban you?

[pepe1991]

btw make no mistake about it, our "winner" would be , according to data & research, part of 22-60 team if Jokic isn't on that team. That's how good Jokic is.

According to Statmuse, the Nuggets are +380 on the season with Jokic on the court. They are -201 with him sitting out or on the bench.

Jokic's average plus/minus per game is +6.1. If they were just as good when he went to the bench they would average +8.8 per game, or a Per 100 Net Rating of +9.0. That gives them an expected win/loss record of 63-19. If the Nuggets without Jokic just played +0.0 ball they would have a Per 100 Net Rating of +6.3, and an expected win/loss record of 58-24.

Instead, without Jokic the Nuggets have a Net Rating of -7.7. That's an expected win/loss of 22-60. Yikes. Absolutely crazy swing.

Sheesh, it's almost like playing along side one of best players ever makes you look better than you are? Damn, who would ever thought ?

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Sometimes I miss badhombre. it was a cool handle at least.

[Bensational]

**** it