All things Anfernee Simons

[Rainwater]

Been to multiple Portland forums and the assumption is that if traded the leading candidate is Orlando and these Portland fans are high on Black.

[VFX]

Been to multiple Portland forums but the assumption is that if traded the leading candidate is Orlando and these guys are high on Black.

They don't need AB.

Scoot, Sharpe, Thybulle, and a vet like Brogdon is a potentially good back court moving forward.
They need to stop playing "small" and get a PF like Carter to pair with dead weight Ayton and a very good Jerami Grant.

They have 2 lotto picks in this years draft. Simons doesn't make sense in their rotation.

[Residual-Heat]

so is Donovan Mitchell, CJ, Monk is 6'3, and a bunch at 6'4, but Simon has better wingspan than most.

Mitchell is 215 lbs, while Simons is 180. its not all about height.

Dejounte Murray is 6'5 180 lbs, guess he is too light. Jalen Green only 186, Caruso at 186. is he light? yes. but his game isnt an inside game, so 180 lbs isnt a death sentence

Murray has PG skills and would play the PG position on most teams. Caruso is an exception, and clearly much stronger than Simons.

[Residual-Heat]

his elite shooting to me could have him on quite a few winning teams.

hes an undersized SG.

A fact that still hasn’t prevented him from shooting 3s at an elite clip, while demanding on & off ball gravity at such a high degree that he ranks amongst all stars and future hof players.

IDK how you measure "gravity". He's a good scorer I am not denying that, nowhere near future HOFs but he's good.

[Residual-Heat]

Been to multiple Portland forums but the assumption is that if traded the leading candidate is Orlando and these guys are high on Black.

It doesnt really matter what they want, its about what other teams offer and I dont think he'll be in high demand. I tried asking Blazers fans what teams they think will be trading for Simons and what they think the offers would be, but did not get a reply.

[eyriq]

Portland forums... are high on Black.

They know ball

[JRoy]

Portland forums... are high on Black.

They know ball

The dream is that AB could play well with either Scoot or Sharpe or maybe both as a part time sf.

[Audi]

hes an undersized SG.

A fact that still hasn’t prevented him from shooting 3s at an elite clip, while demanding on & off ball gravity at such a high degree that he ranks amongst all stars and future hof players.

IDK how you measure "gravity". He's a good scorer I am not denying that, nowhere near future HOFs but he's good.

Yea I’m not really sure what the metrics used are and I’m sure many of them are proprietary so the calculations aren’t publicly shared, but they likely calculate it based on player’s typical shot diet and how often defenders are focused on them and chasing them around. Stats I saw were from basketball index and they had his off-ball gravity at 15th in the league and on-ball at 5th. Guys around him were players like Durant, Luka, Curry, etc so he’s in good company at least.

[eyriq]

Portland forums... are high on Black.

They know ball

The dream is that AB could play well with either Scoot or Sharpe or maybe both as a part time sf.

Part time SF???

I take back the compliment

[JRoy]

They know ball

The dream is that AB could play well with either Scoot or Sharpe or maybe both as a part time sf.

Part time SF???

I take back the compliment

POR trotted out a 6’3” Norm Powell as starting sf a few years ago. More like tiny forward.

[Rainwater]

Been to multiple Portland forums but the assumption is that if traded the leading candidate is Orlando and these guys are high on Black.

They don't need AB.

Scoot, Sharpe, Thybulle, and a vet like Brogdon is a potentially good back court moving forward.
They need to stop playing "small" and get a PF like Carter to pair with dead weight Ayton and a very good Jerami Grant.

They have 2 lotto picks in this years draft. Simons doesn't make sense in their rotation.

I completely agree that Black makes no sense for them but Portland fans just love the guy. Any of their trades with Orlando seems to involve Black and I am ok with that

[Rainwater]

Been to multiple Portland forums but the assumption is that if traded the leading candidate is Orlando and these guys are high on Black.

It doesnt really matter what they want, its about what other teams offer and I dont think he'll be in high demand. I tried asking Blazers fans what teams they think will be trading for Simons and what they think the offers would be, but did not get a reply.

If you go the Simons trade thread all the hypotheticals seem to be trades with Orlando, talking about how great of a fit he would be here.

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=2371766&start=160

[orlando_joe]

Been to multiple Portland forums but the assumption is that if traded the leading candidate is Orlando and these guys are high on Black.

It doesnt really matter what they want, its about what other teams offer and I dont think he'll be in high demand. I tried asking Blazers fans what teams they think will be trading for Simons and what they think the offers would be, but did not get a reply.

If you go the Simons trade thread all the hypotheticals seem to be trades with Orlando, talking about how great of a fit he would be here.

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=2371766&start=160

because no other team wants him ...and still think they hold is value to high..a non lottery first and a 2nd or 2 with tpe no bad money i think is his value and do not see other team offering more
short one way guards that make 25 mill a yr are not high on needed list around the nba

[RookieStar]

Been to multiple Portland forums but the assumption is that if traded the leading candidate is Orlando and these guys are high on Black.

They don't need AB.

Scoot, Sharpe, Thybulle, and a vet like Brogdon is a potentially good back court moving forward.
They need to stop playing "small" and get a PF like Carter to pair with dead weight Ayton and a very good Jerami Grant.

They have 2 lotto picks in this years draft. Simons doesn't make sense in their rotation.

I completely agree that Black makes no sense for them but Portland fans just love the guy. Any of their trades with Orlando seems to involve Black and I am ok with that

If they really love AB... then Im ok with Sharpe for AB lol

[Audi]

It doesnt really matter what they want, its about what other teams offer and I dont think he'll be in high demand. I tried asking Blazers fans what teams they think will be trading for Simons and what they think the offers would be, but did not get a reply.

If you go the Simons trade thread all the hypotheticals seem to be trades with Orlando, talking about how great of a fit he would be here.

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=2371766&start=160

because no other team wants him ...and still think they hold is value to high..a non lottery first and a 2nd or 2 with tpe no bad money i think is his value and do not see other team offering more
short one way guards that make 25 mill a yr are not high on needed list around the nba

We don't even know that teams don't want him or not, as he's not been shopped. And how many teams are even looking to replace one of their starting guards in general? And now how many of those teams can actually afford to do so even if they wanted to? But that's not a knock on Simons either - the guard position is saturated w/ talent league-wide. Yea - plenty of teams already have their stars that either do what Simons does or do something different at an elite level so they don't need what he brings. But we actually do. He's a guy who can bring the ball up the court, bend & stretch defenses with or without the ball in his hands, and shoot 3s at 3x the volume as Gary - on better accuracy, functioning as a offensive option that can settle in as a 3rd option nightly, or take over to 2nd or 1st option when Paolo and/or Franz have their inevitable bad games.

[Catledge]

I think you guys are forgetting where Monk and Simons started before they became their current versions.

I am definitely not forgetting that. Rather, I'm aware that many more players than the two of them didn't develop over that same span of time, and I had no way of telling which two were going to develop like Monk and Simons have and which two were going to be Mario Hezonja and Elfrid Payton. That's why I'm willing to pay more for the guys who have already developed instead of rolling the dice with guys who haven't and may not develop.

I'm just asking for a realistic awareness that most guys don't develop like we want them to.

Sure, but the same can be said about player acquisition, too. How do we know which player additions will push a team into a higher level of play and who will disrupt it? Ie, Atlanta has only gotten worse since the addition of Murray, Beal did nothing for Phoenix, Vuc basically destroyed Chicago’s future, Kemba derailed the early success of Tatum and Brown. Meanwhile Joe Ingles helped us get up to the 5th seed from a bench role, Aaron Gordon pushed Denver into contention and helped them win a ring. Realistic awareness says not all player acquisitions are equal or beneficial, too.

There is risk either way. Proven ability is one way to mitigate the risk, but chemistry is another. Howard is already a part of the chemistry of the team (not on court chemistry). I’m not opposed to either of Monk or Simons, I just think Howard is worthy of investing in either way.

"There is risk either way" is several bus stops removed from "I’m pretty confident Jett Howard will have an offense that can compete with Simons or Monk in the near future." That's like saying you have confidence in your next dice roll.

[orlando_joe]

If you go the Simons trade thread all the hypotheticals seem to be trades with Orlando, talking about how great of a fit he would be here.

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=2371766&start=160

because no other team wants him ...and still think they hold is value to high..a non lottery first and a 2nd or 2 with tpe no bad money i think is his value and do not see other team offering more
short one way guards that make 25 mill a yr are not high on needed list around the nba

We don't even know that teams don't want him or not, as he's not been shopped. And how many teams are even looking to replace one of their starting guards in general? And now how many of those teams can actually afford to do so even if they wanted to? But that's not a knock on Simons either - the guard position is saturated w/ talent league-wide. Yea - plenty of teams already have their stars that either do what Simons does or do something different at an elite level so they don't need what he brings. But we actually do. He's a guy who can bring the ball up the court, bend & stretch defenses with or without the ball in his hands, and shoot 3s at 3x the volume as Gary - on better accuracy, functioning as a offensive option that can settle in as a 3rd option nightly, or take over to 2nd or 1st option when Paolo and/or Franz have their inevitable bad games.

you really do not think he has been shopped?...lol...ok..

[Rainwater]

It doesnt really matter what they want, its about what other teams offer and I dont think he'll be in high demand. I tried asking Blazers fans what teams they think will be trading for Simons and what they think the offers would be, but did not get a reply.

If you go the Simons trade thread all the hypotheticals seem to be trades with Orlando, talking about how great of a fit he would be here.

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=2371766&start=160

because no other team wants him ...and still think they hold is value to high..a non lottery first and a 2nd or 2 with tpe no bad money i think is his value and do not see other team offering more
short one way guards that make 25 mill a yr are not high on needed list around the nba

Per post in the thread it’s because of fit, lol. They feel like the Magic need a guy who is a lights out shooter and can create for himself and Magic can also hide his defensive issues.

[Bensational]

"There is risk either way" is several bus stops removed from "I’m pretty confident Jett Howard will have an offense that can compete with Simons or Monk in the near future." That's like saying you have confidence in your next dice roll.

Malik Monk is scoring 15ppg on 12fgas, with 35% shooting from 3, as a 6th man. I don’t think that’s the level of achievement you think it is, and I think it’s attainable for a lot of players, not just Jett. Cole Anthony is putting up comparable numbers to Monk at the same age.

Jett has the requisite skill set, he just needs time to see if he can make it work in the league.

[Knightro]

Malik Monk is scoring 15ppg on 12fgas, with 35% shooting from 3, as a 6th man. I don’t think that’s the level of achievement you think it is, and I think it’s attainable for a lot of players, not just Jett. Cole Anthony is putting up comparable numbers to Monk at the same age.

Jett has the requisite skill set, he just needs time to see if he can make it work in the league.

I noticed that you left out the 5.0 APG in 26 MPG, which is a huge part of the appeal of signing Monk in the first place - the playmaking ability for others.

I would bet a lot of money that Jett Howard never averages 15 points and 5 assists in a season.