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2024-2025 Regular Season Game 53: Orlando Magic (25-27) at Denver Nuggets (32-19) - 9pm

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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 53: Orlando Magic (25-27) at Denver Nuggets (32-19) - 9pm 

Post#201 » by thelead » Fri Feb 7, 2025 4:24 am

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eyriq wrote:I'm beginning to buy into all the negative Weltman narratives.

Being as level-headed as I can be, I would give him the summer to figure it out. If it's a quiet summer with minimal moves, I'd fire him before training camp.


He’s had more than enough time. I have zero desire to watch him sleep through another off-season, waking up intermittently enough to throw a bunch of cash at another KCP.

And we’ll likely have 2 FRPS. Now way I want him to have yet another chance to **** things up.


For sure. That was my most level-headed version of what I would do. In all honesty, I would ask him what the plan is right now. If he doesn't have a real plan, I'd be ready to fire him the second the season is over.
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Post#202 » by pepe1991 » Fri Feb 7, 2025 4:25 am

I'm glad we got rolled over again after mid season flop of a deadlne.
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Post#203 » by rcklsscognition » Fri Feb 7, 2025 4:26 am

What we don’t want is the owners to force their pick on the front office as part of their conditions for letting them keep their jobs through the summer. You need to can them soon enough that a new group can come in and scout for the draft and free agency.

But there’s no way these guys get fired. They’re still evaluating the team.
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Post#204 » by Jaxfann » Fri Feb 7, 2025 4:26 am

6 weeks ago, I thought this team was special - I am not so sure now!
We really miss Suggs but other than him, Goga, PB, FW and MW the rest are crap!
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Post#205 » by eyriq » Fri Feb 7, 2025 4:30 am

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eyriq wrote:I'm beginning to buy into all the negative Weltman narratives.

Being as level-headed as I can be, I would give him the summer to figure it out. If it's a quiet summer with minimal moves, I'd fire him before training camp.
He's locked up a lot of long-term contracts and controllable contracts.

Guards: Suggs, KCP, AB, Jett
Forwards: Franz, Paolo, JI, TDS
Bigs: Goga, WCJ

KCP and Jett can go, JI can go, and WCJ can go.

That's four players that just aren't that inspiring and that would require a trade in order to get out from under.

Team options Moritz, Harris, CoJo, and Caleb provide some flexibility.

Lots of moves to be made.
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Post#206 » by thelead » Fri Feb 7, 2025 4:39 am

To take a break from piling on Weltman for a minute... it would be great if Paolo and Franz learn how to be competent 3 point shooters ASAP!

LeBron is out here with a skeleton crew doing this:
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Post#207 » by OrlandoDream » Fri Feb 7, 2025 4:45 am

We shot 16% from 3....SIXTEEN PERCENT!! MPJr made as many 3s as the ENTIRE TEAM. Its just embarrassing and inexcusable for a professional NBA from office to sit pat and now even try to attempt to do small fix. Problems here lie beyond just 1-2 minor fixes. Almost every East playoff team made a trade to improve while we sit on friendship. We are wasting Paolos and Franzs time here.
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Post#208 » by RichCollab » Fri Feb 7, 2025 4:48 am

After watching tonight’s game, I’m convinced we need to make some moves. Scoring and shooting just aren’t there.
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Post#209 » by Black and Blue » Fri Feb 7, 2025 4:52 am

As fans we have been calling for a consolidation trade for years now. At this point the fanbase is mega starting to turn on this front office. Hopefully we sign Paolo long term with no issue and then get busy making moves to surround him with shooters…but I’m not optimistic with how impotent Weltman has been.
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Post#210 » by Bensational » Fri Feb 7, 2025 4:57 am

Team 3pt shooting numbers: TDS 1-4, Queen 0-5, Franz 0-3, KCP 1-3, AB 0-3.

But the complaints are about Jett who shot 50% :lol:

Why the team can’t find and feed the only guy who was a 50% 3pt shooter tonight should be the question. Queen was 1-9, in what world does he have any business taking shots when he’s so damn terrible at scoring? Hate Jett all you want but when the guy has the one skill we desperately need the focus should be on why he isn’t being appropriately used.
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Post#211 » by thelead » Fri Feb 7, 2025 5:01 am

Bensational wrote:Team 3pt shooting numbers: TDS 1-4, Queen 0-5, Franz 0-3, KCP 1-3, AB 0-3.

But the complaints are about Jett who shot 50% :lol:

Why the team can’t find and feed the only guy who was a 50% 3pt shooter tonight should be the question. Queen was 1-9, in what world does he have any business taking shots when he’s so damn terrible at scoring? Hate Jett all you want but when the guy has the one skill we desperately need the focus should be on why he isn’t being appropriately used.

That problem goes to Mosley. The fact that he can't get 4-5 3pt shots for Jett right now is crazy.
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Post#212 » by SOUL » Fri Feb 7, 2025 5:11 am

Better hit threes next game.. Wemby is inside and Paolo definitely cannot shake him
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Post#213 » by Bensational » Fri Feb 7, 2025 5:12 am

thelead wrote:
Bensational wrote:Team 3pt shooting numbers: TDS 1-4, Queen 0-5, Franz 0-3, KCP 1-3, AB 0-3.

But the complaints are about Jett who shot 50% :lol:

Why the team can’t find and feed the only guy who was a 50% 3pt shooter tonight should be the question. Queen was 1-9, in what world does he have any business taking shots when he’s so damn terrible at scoring? Hate Jett all you want but when the guy has the one skill we desperately need the focus should be on why he isn’t being appropriately used.

That problem goes to Mosley. The fact that he can't get 4-5 3pt shots for Jett right now is crazy.


It’s clear to me Jett is in his doghouse because of all the other things Jett does wrong which are Mosley mandatories - defense and effort being the main two. But he chooses to reward the much worse shooters with shots, freedom and more offensive focus. In Jett’s case Mosley is failing to get the most out of him. Considering shooting is our worst offensive area, he’s also failing the team by not trying to get the most out of his arsenal of options.
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Post#214 » by pepe1991 » Fri Feb 7, 2025 6:24 am

Bensational wrote:
thelead wrote:
Bensational wrote:Team 3pt shooting numbers: TDS 1-4, Queen 0-5, Franz 0-3, KCP 1-3, AB 0-3.

But the complaints are about Jett who shot 50% :lol:

Why the team can’t find and feed the only guy who was a 50% 3pt shooter tonight should be the question. Queen was 1-9, in what world does he have any business taking shots when he’s so damn terrible at scoring? Hate Jett all you want but when the guy has the one skill we desperately need the focus should be on why he isn’t being appropriately used.

That problem goes to Mosley. The fact that he can't get 4-5 3pt shots for Jett right now is crazy.


It’s clear to me Jett is in his doghouse because of all the other things Jett does wrong which are Mosley mandatories - defense and effort being the main two. But he chooses to reward the much worse shooters with shots, freedom and more offensive focus. In Jett’s case Mosley is failing to get the most out of him. Considering shooting is our worst offensive area, he’s also failing the team by not trying to get the most out of his arsenal of options.


Let's be objective for a second and ignore fact he is 11# pick from last year.
Can you tell single thing he is good at at nba level?

If best you can get is "32 percentage three point shooter" and guy shoots 5% below league's average on TS% that is 7% below league's average, defending him is losing argument.

He is in dog house because his BBIQ is very low, especially on defensive end , where he doesn't grasp concept of team defense, never rotates on time and has so poor athletic profile where recovering from poor rotation is impossible. It's indicative that somebody played 534 min in nba and has 9 steals and 9 blocks. ( for comparison sake, Tari Eason last year, in only 22 games , being 6'8- 210, collected 31 steals & 19 blocks, playing 50 min less).

Guy lacks first step burst, lacks foot speed, laterally he is no faster than some 35 years old players.

In same time for guy that allegedly had good passing vision, he hardly breaks 1-1 assist to To rate.
His rebounding is zero.
He drew 10 shooting fouls in 43 games.
His efficiency is dog s*** ( 50% TS).

He shoots 36% for 3 in catch and shoot. That's great. For Magic.

Heat has had 7 players who shot better, including Jimmy -I-can't-shoot- Butler.
Nuggets have 6 players who shoot better.
Celtics have 7.
Clippers have 6.
76ers have 6.

His offensive rating is 101. If that's a team's offensive rating, Magic would be 3rd worst team in nba on offense.
In 2007.

Him and Black are playing catch up in terms of development. Franz and Paolo ( and Suggs) are entering their serious contract years, we can't just wait until some mediocre prospects develop and throw seasons under a bus in process.
Black is borderline, Jett is full blown unplayable on winning basketball team.
Imo, there is no reason to waive him or anything, give him one summer to adjust, but if he returns and looks like this, his nba career will soon look like Jarrett Culver's nba career.
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Post#215 » by drsd » Fri Feb 7, 2025 6:39 am

pepe1991 wrote:I'm glad we got rolled over again after mid season flop of a deadlne.
Weltman is master of sustained mediocrity


5-31 (16.1%).

It is great Orlando did not trade for a shooter.
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Post#216 » by drsd » Fri Feb 7, 2025 6:41 am

Box score thoughts:

Orlando lost the FG% battle and lost the game.

In that; this is a very simple game to understand. Denver made 7 more threes than Orlando on essentially the same attempts. That means 21 point purely from shooting accuracy. In a game won by 22, that's basically the only stat to know.

With this loss: the Magic still has not won two games in a row this year.
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Post#217 » by Bensational » Fri Feb 7, 2025 7:01 am

pepe1991 wrote:
If best you can get is "32 percentage three point shooter" and guy shoots 5% below league's average on TS% that is 7% below league's average, defending him is losing argument.


Over the last 10 games Jett has shot 44% from 3. Last 15 games he’s 36%. This isn’t counting tonight’s game.

He has a lot of warts in the rest of his game but if you’re telling me that a team desperate for shooting can’t find a way to get a 44% shooter some more opportunities I don’t know what to say. We should have a good enough defense to cover him. What we don’t have is good enough shooting to make Paolo and Franz’s lives easier.

But let’s give Queen 5 attempts to miss from 3 because he runs a lot.
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Post#218 » by GelbeWand09 » Fri Feb 7, 2025 7:02 am

Great, trade deadline gone and we are back to sub 100pts games, record breaking 3pointshooting and Cole and AB looking like scrubs again. :lol: Surprising.... Not.
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Post#219 » by GelbeWand09 » Fri Feb 7, 2025 7:24 am

For a FO that's known for drafting athletic length over skills, we are amazingly unathletic and yet have less skilled players than most other teams.

Both 2023 picks are minus athletes, Isaac was never a jump athlete but now he is slow, Suggs is a very good athlete but lack coordination, WCJ is a meh athlete, Paolo is a good athlete but not more (reason he is a bad finisher), Franz is a very good athlete except jumping ability, Gary Harris Jr & Sr are meh athletes, Cole is a good athlete but super undersized, Goga is a solid athlete, TDS is a meh or maybe minus athlete...
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Post#220 » by GelbeWand09 » Fri Feb 7, 2025 7:44 am

thelead wrote:
SOUL wrote:Rockets lost 5 in a row, saying they look like a 30 win team without VanVleet.. try playing four years without a point guard!


If I knew we would go this long without a real PG, I would have agreed with Knightro on FVV 2 summers ago.


I'm writing for 2years that not getting him that trade deadline was biggest mistake they made so far. He is just such great fit. Great passer, great defender, can play either guard spot, perfect fit next to any of our guards, can play on and off the ball, not super high usage hence perfect fit next to our forwards, super high intangibles, good age... But hey some people said we had Fultz and he is better and Van Fleet is a horrible defender (turned Rockets from bottom 3 to top 3 defense in one offseason and is one of the highest rated players in Def. Epm), the money was completely irrelevant because most our players were on rookie contracts...

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