2024-2025 Regular Season Game 59: Washington Wizards (9-46) at Orlando Magic (28-30) - 6pm

[SloNick Russia]

How can peope praise AB and destroy Weltman for not making moves (not trading AB) at the same time?

[pepe1991]

How can peope praise AB and destroy Weltman for not making moves (not trading AB) at the same time?

Several expiring players
two first round picks in 2025
Jett Howard

there was plenty of assets to move without even trading Black.

Also you can always look who Magic play to figure how bad or good Black will be. Vs trash he looks good, like whole team, vs good teams he is no factor ( as team tends to suck vs good teams as well ).

Good games- vs Wizards & Hornets, bad games Grizzlies, Nuggets, Warriors etc

More season progresses, less "PG duties" he gets, as is role is reverted into off ball SF like it was case last year.

This year we are 21-10 vs teams below .500
8-20 vs teams + .500

[Rainwater]

How can peope praise AB and destroy Weltman for not making moves (not trading AB) at the same time?

There are so many assets not named Black that can be traded, lol.

[Rainwater]

Getting over .500 by the end of this homestand needs to happen.

That Memphis lose really hurts

[cedric76]

How can peope praise AB and destroy Weltman for not making moves (not trading AB) at the same time?

Welcome to this crazy board

[basketballRob]

How can peope praise AB and destroy Weltman for not making moves (not trading AB) at the same time?

Several expiring players
two first round picks in 2025
Jett Howard

there was plenty of assets to move without even trading Black.

Also you can always look who Magic play to figure how bad or good Black will be. Vs trash he looks good, like whole team, vs good teams he is no factor ( as team tends to suck vs good teams as well ).

Good games- vs Wizards & Hornets, bad games Grizzlies, Nuggets, Warriors etc

More season progresses, less "PG duties" he gets, as is role is reverted into off ball SF like it was case last year.

This year we are 21-10 vs teams below .500
8-20 vs teams + .500

Franz and Paolo play PG. Cole 7.8 assists per 100. Black 6.7 assists per 100. Suggs 6.4 assists per 100.

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[drsd]

How can peope praise AB and destroy Weltman for not making moves (not trading AB) at the same time?

Several expiring players
two first round picks in 2025
Jett Howard

there was plenty of assets to move without even trading Black.

Also you can always look who Magic play to figure how bad or good Black will be. Vs trash he looks good, like whole team, vs good teams he is no factor ( as team tends to suck vs good teams as well ).

Good games- vs Wizards & Hornets, bad games Grizzlies, Nuggets, Warriors etc

More season progresses, less "PG duties" he gets, as is role is reverted into off ball SF like it was case last year.

This year we are 21-10 vs teams below .500
8-20 vs teams + .500

Not to rehash this over and over, but in agreement with pepe, the issue isn't that Orlando drafted at 6, it's that the Magic drafted two lottery picks at all. Either the 6 or the 11 needed to be traded. And if Black is bpa at 6, fine pick him and trade out of 11. (I was fine for the Magic to trade 6 and keep 11 - as it was mocked that there were to be loads of SGs available at that range, and there were!) (but whatever).
ALSO: in no way was Howard bpa at 11. Picking anyone was a mistake when the Magic needed veteran leadership and had LOADS of assets to trade for such a player. But it was very poor to take Howard over a bevy of players that were clearly more upside than Howard. Example: everyone in the world would gave had these players at 11, over Howard: Dereck Lively, Gradey Dick, Jordan Hawkins, Kobe Bufkin, and Keyonte George. That's not some random list cherry picking; those are the players selected 12-16 in the 2023 draft!

Only Kobe Bufkin has been as much of a bust as Howard.

[Skybox]

How can peope praise AB and destroy Weltman for not making moves (not trading AB) at the same time?

Because sensible people get that trades are to get different players not to “get rid of” players.

People get their backs up when a trade idea actually sends out some value to the other team. It’s more childish fun to believe you can jettison guys you don’t want and demand a 2-way, reliable, young, injury-free player

[basketballRob]

How can peope praise AB and destroy Weltman for not making moves (not trading AB) at the same time?

Several expiring players
two first round picks in 2025
Jett Howard

there was plenty of assets to move without even trading Black.

Also you can always look who Magic play to figure how bad or good Black will be. Vs trash he looks good, like whole team, vs good teams he is no factor ( as team tends to suck vs good teams as well ).

Good games- vs Wizards & Hornets, bad games Grizzlies, Nuggets, Warriors etc

More season progresses, less "PG duties" he gets, as is role is reverted into off ball SF like it was case last year.

This year we are 21-10 vs teams below .500
8-20 vs teams + .500

Not to rehash this over and over, but in agreement with pepe, the issue isn't that Orlando drafted at 6, it's that the Magic drafted two lottery picks at all. Either the 6 or the 11 needed to be traded. And if Black is bpa at 6, fine pick him and trade out of 11. (I was fine for the Magic to trade 6 and keep 11 - as it was mocked that there were to be loads of SGs available at that range, and there were!) (but whatever).
ALSO: in no way was Howard bpa at 11. Picking anyone was a mistake when the Magic needed veteran leadership and had LOADS of assets to trade for such a player. But it was very poor to take Howard over a bevy of players that were clearly more upside than Howard. Example: everyone in the world would gave had these players at 11, over Howard: Dereck Lively, Gradey Dick, Jordan Hawkins, Kobe Bufkin, and Keyonte George. That's not some random list cherry picking; those are the players selected 12-16 in the 2023 draft!

Only Kobe Bufkin has been as much of a bust as Howard.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/gleague/players/b/bufkiko01d.html

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[Knightro]

Is there a worse player in the NBA that is active than Gary Harris?

It will never not be crazy to me how good “bad” NBA players still are.

I went to a game a few weeks back where Harris was out, but he did a high intensity workout before the game.

The dude did not miss a shot.

He would run full speed to a spot, stop on a dime for a catch and shoot jumper and every single one of them would be a swish.

They’d have one of the trainers bump him, grab him, do everything they could to get him off his spot… and he’d make every single jumper anyway.

It was one of those things where I watched that and I was like “oh wow these guys are so just much better than normal people at a multiplier we don’t even truly understand.”

[JoshuaPotter]

Is there a worse player in the NBA that is active than Gary Harris?

It will never not be crazy to me how good “bad” NBA players still are.

I went to a game a few weeks back where Harris was out, but he did a high intensity workout before the game.

The dude did not miss a shot.

He would run full speed to a spot, stop on a dime for a catch and shoot jumper and every single one of them would be a swish.

They’d have one of the trainers bump him, grab him, do everything they could to get him off his spot… and he’d make every single jumper anyway.

It was one of those things where I watched that and I was like “oh wow these guys are so just much better than normal people at a multiplier we don’t even truly understand.”

Thats the love hate with Gary. If he was playing and shooting his normal .40 people wouldn't say a word. But alas. I hope he figures it out and we figure him out soon.

[JoshuaPotter]

How can peope praise AB and destroy Weltman for not making moves (not trading AB) at the same time?

Because sensible people get that trades are to get different players not to “get rid of” players.

People get their backs up when a trade idea actually sends out some value to the other team. It’s more childish fun to believe you can jettison guys you don’t want and demand a 2-way, reliable, young, injury-free player

I dunno lots of people problably looking at that Davis / Luka trade and saying "look look-see see".

Not that I am one of them mind you. First off, we have to have an assset like Davis or Luka for this conversation to even happen. Paolo / Franz just arent at that level yet. Close though.

[JoshuaPotter]

I forgot there was a game last night and found the recap. Whoops. Buddy ball beat the tanking team. Hooray!

[drsd]

Only Kobe Bufkin has been as much of a bust as Howard.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/gleague/players/b/bufkiko01d.html

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Well: Bufkin is a better G-leaguer than Howard. So I guess that's something ???
https://www.basketball-reference.com/gleague/players/h/howarje01d.html

[MartinsIzAfraud]

How can peope praise AB and destroy Weltman for not making moves (not trading AB) at the same time?

Welcome to this crazy board

no one was moving ab in any of these trades.

It was cole a 1st and gary for xyz or jett a 1st and filler.

[BadMofoPimp]

Is there a worse player in the NBA that is active than Gary Harris?

It will never not be crazy to me how good “bad” NBA players still are.

I went to a game a few weeks back where Harris was out, but he did a high intensity workout before the game.

The dude did not miss a shot.

He would run full speed to a spot, stop on a dime for a catch and shoot jumper and every single one of them would be a swish.

They’d have one of the trainers bump him, grab him, do everything they could to get him off his spot… and he’d make every single jumper anyway.

It was one of those things where I watched that and I was like “oh wow these guys are so just much better than normal people at a multiplier we don’t even truly understand.”

From what I have seen, Coaches are not game planning for Harris to shoot the ball. This affects his offensive performance.

[Bergmaniac]

We got the win, the defence was very good and the second half was solid, but the halfcourt offense is still a mess, the first half in particular was awful.

From what I have seen, Coaches are not game planning for Harris to shoot the ball. This affects his offensive performance.

Yeah, he barely touches the ball on offense. Last 10 games he has had 6.6 frontcourt touches and 0.3 minutes of possession per game, that's nothing. He needs to be better, obviously, but it's tough to be in rhythm offensively when you barely touch the ball.

[Optimus_Steel]

Magic took care of business in the 2nd half, a game like this that the Magic were overdue to win in this fashion. AB looked very confident shooting the rock, his things is confidence. No settling, no thinking just playing. Can he overcome his timidness consistently? He is capable, can he keep this mind set aggressive over time. Still despite the Magic taking care of business, the percentages are terrible, thank goodness that the Wiz are really bad.

[eyriq]

Still despite the Magic taking care of business, the percentages are terrible, thank goodness that the Wiz are really bad.

Looking at the four factors and offensive rebounding % was our most dominant factor, 30.4 to 10.8. Goga had 5 and both Paolo and Franz chipped in a couple. We really outsized them

[Skybox]

Still despite the Magic taking care of business, the percentages are terrible, thank goodness that the Wiz are really bad.

Looking at the four factors and offensive rebounding % was our most dominant factor, 30.4 to 10.8. Goga had 5 and both Paolo and Franz chipped in a couple. We really outsized them

Offensive rebounding is a huge deal...you can hurt yourself by not getting back but, if done well, offensive rebounding can win a game for you. Those extra possessions are huge. I'd be happy picking up UFA Steven Adams this summer to back up Goga, presuming we can trade WCJ in a significant move for backcourt help. Adams is a great teammate and it's handy to have a scary smiling monster around too. I wouldn't want to count on him to start and play big minutes but he is still one of the best offensive rebounders.

Another under appreciated skill is setting MEANINGFUL picks. Franz & Paolo & Suggs (and the new guy-Simons? ) would all benefit greatly from a guy like Adams setting those bone-jarring, teeth-rattling, "I'ma sit this possession out" picks.