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Re: The Anthony Black dunk tank 

Post#201 » by VFX » Sun Jun 29, 2025 7:33 pm

eyriq wrote:
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eyriq wrote:AB is already better than NAW


Debatable, but it doesn´t matter. NAW is a much better fit to our Core, as he can shoot, and AB can´t.


Debatable, but beside the point. AB was a lottery pick and is clearly being prioritized by the organization with real investment in minutes and development. That tells you everything about how the Magic view his role in this core.


Except when he's thrown into a potential trade for Fox right?
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Re: The Anthony Black dunk tank 

Post#202 » by Skybox » Sun Jun 29, 2025 7:41 pm

eyriq wrote:
CarraT wrote:
eyriq wrote:AB is already better than NAW


Debatable, but it doesn´t matter. NAW is a much better fit to our Core, as he can shoot, and AB can´t.


Debatable, but beside the point. AB was a lottery pick and is clearly being prioritized by the organization with real investment in minutes and development. That tells you everything about how the Magic view his role in this core.



We're a couple of years in...the lottery pick thing is beyond meaningless, isn't it?
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Re: The Anthony Black dunk tank 

Post#203 » by basketballRob » Sun Jun 29, 2025 7:47 pm

Skybox wrote:
eyriq wrote:
CarraT wrote:
Debatable, but it doesn´t matter. NAW is a much better fit to our Core, as he can shoot, and AB can´t.


Debatable, but beside the point. AB was a lottery pick and is clearly being prioritized by the organization with real investment in minutes and development. That tells you everything about how the Magic view his role in this core.



We're a couple of years in...the lottery pick thing is beyond meaningless, isn't it?
You draft a guard who is 19, and they gradually get better and become a winning player after 3-4 years. We're at year 2 now.

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Re: The Anthony Black dunk tank 

Post#204 » by CarraT » Sun Jun 29, 2025 8:13 pm

basketballRob wrote:
Skybox wrote:
eyriq wrote:
Debatable, but beside the point. AB was a lottery pick and is clearly being prioritized by the organization with real investment in minutes and development. That tells you everything about how the Magic view his role in this core.



We're a couple of years in...the lottery pick thing is beyond meaningless, isn't it?
You draft a guard who is 19, and they gradually get better and become a winning player after 3-4 years. We're at year 2 now.

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Or you admit that the player is just a bad fit to your core because he didnt magically learn how to shoot, so you trade him for a player who does fit, while he still has value.
AB is a nice player fitting well into some other teams who need a defensive wing role player. We already heve them, we need shooting at guard.
It will be a win-win-win situation.
Fire Weltman!
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Re: The Anthony Black dunk tank 

Post#205 » by HighPack » Sun Jun 29, 2025 10:15 pm

Fun fact: He gave 0 assist in 89 mins against Boston in playoffs. The point guard experiment is over. He is too thin to be a small forward. So he can be a shooting guard who can't shoot. Trade him.
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Re: The Anthony Black dunk tank 

Post#206 » by JoshuaPotter » Tue Jul 1, 2025 1:00 pm

Backcourt presently
PG Suggs, Tys (can't spell name yet), Jase
SG Bane, AB, Jase

Is this anything?
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Re: The Anthony Black dunk tank 

Post#207 » by TyCobb » Thu Jul 3, 2025 1:49 pm

Yall don’t know what you have here.
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Re: The Anthony Black dunk tank 

Post#208 » by eyriq » Thu Jul 3, 2025 2:11 pm

TyCobb wrote:Yall don’t know what you have here.


What is your view on his position, archetype, and upside?
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Re: The Anthony Black dunk tank 

Post#209 » by Magic_Johnny12 » Thu Jul 3, 2025 4:24 pm

TyCobb wrote:Yall don’t know what you have here.


Per CraftedNBA

Anthony Black closest comp offensively is Bilal Coulibaly.

What this tells me in short form is that he’s still developing offensively, but remains with a high upside w/ high free throw rate/offensive rebound %.

Anthony Black closest comp defensively coincidentally is NAW.

What this tells me in short form is that he’s already an above average defender and has a high BLK % for a guard.

What this doesn’t project is his developing 3pt shot which has improved.

With a league average 3, we’re potentially looking at Josh Hart/Caruso/NAW level talent.

Not a superstar, but obviously a highly coveted archetype.

Trading him prematurely would be a mistake imo, I won’t say he’s untouchable but we have to understand that this dude is only 21 years of age.

I fully expect a HUGE year for Black, finally playing the wing full-time alongside a playmaking PG. His ascension or lack there of would make/break the bench unit imo.
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Re: The Anthony Black dunk tank 

Post#210 » by Skin » Thu Jul 3, 2025 7:26 pm

eyriq wrote:
TyCobb wrote:Yall don’t know what you have here.


What is your view on his position, archetype, and upside?

Weltman made a mistake initially banking on AB as a PG. He fooled himself because as we all know, he is INFATUATED with the long boi line up and wanted very badly for AB to be his PG of the future. But AB isn't built to be one. You can't be a PG with a poor handle and poor vision. You can't avg 3 AST/g and 2 TO/g in 24 mpg. ...and you DEFINITELY CANNOT have a non-shooting PG along Franz and Paolo...sorry, not sorry.

AB is GREAT as what he is built to do, and there is proof in the pudding. His defense helped this team be a top defense in the league. Isn't it funny that players are good at what they're good at and bad at what they're bad at? It's not rocket science. Yes, there is room to improve, but banking on that is where failure lies. It's taken 2 years and a painful playoff shooting performance from the entire team for Weltman to finally concede on his ignorance... but at least things are finally being addressed correctly.

In some ways these dramatic moves don't feel like Weltman's own doing. It just all seems so eeerily similar to Hennigan's last offseason. Trading Oladipo, signing Biyombo, Jeff Green, Agustin... We know now that the pressure was put on Henny and he mortgaged our future in doing what he did that offseason. He made moves like he didn't care about the long term future.

Makes me wonder if Weltman is feeling that pressure now. The fact that Alex Martins stepped down is also hilariously ironic.

But back to AB. AB was a project, is a project, but now I think he'll have his best chance to succeed because he doesn't have to be pigion holed into trying to be a PG. With Suggs, Jones, and Richardson, our PG spot is golden. Black can compete for minutes at the 2 with Jett. ...and the Magic need one of them to step up. It's not out of the question for one of them in order for us to bring back Mo and/or Houstan.
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Re: The Anthony Black dunk tank 

Post#211 » by three3d » Thu Jul 3, 2025 7:52 pm

Skin wrote:
eyriq wrote:
TyCobb wrote:Yall don’t know what you have here.


What is your view on his position, archetype, and upside?

Weltman made a mistake initially banking on AB as a PG. He fooled himself because as we all know, he is INFATUATED with the long boi line up and wanted very badly for AB to be his PG of the future. But AB isn't built to be one. You can't be a PG with a poor handle and poor vision. You can't avg 3 AST/g and 2 TO/g in 24 mpg. ...and you DEFINITELY CANNOT have a non-shooting PG along Franz and Paolo...sorry, not sorry.

AB is GREAT as what he is built to do, and there is proof in the pudding. His defense helped this team be a top defense in the league. Isn't it funny that players are good at what they're good at and bad at what they're bad at? It's not rocket science. Yes, there is room to improve, but banking on that is where failure lies. It's taken 2 years and a painful playoff shooting performance from the entire team for Weltman to finally concede on his ignorance... but at least things are finally being addressed correctly.

In some ways these dramatic moves don't feel like Weltman's own doing. It just all seems so eeerily similar to Hennigan's last offseason. Trading Oladipo, signing Biyombo, Jeff Green, Agustin... We know now that the pressure was put on Henny and he mortgaged our future in doing what he did that offseason. He made moves like he didn't care about the long term future.

Makes me wonder if Weltman is feeling that pressure now. The fact that Alex Martins stepped down is also hilariously ironic.

But back to AB. AB was a project, is a project, but now I think he'll have his best chance to succeed because he doesn't have to be pigion holed into trying to be a PG. With Suggs, Jones, and Richardson, our PG spot is golden. Black can compete for minutes at the 2 with Jett. ...and the Magic need one of them to step up. It's not out of the question for one of them in order for us to bring back Mo and/or Houstan.



I think Alex Martins got a really friendly push to the side by the young DeVos. I’ve also for a long time felt he has been the longest tenured exec or voice in the franchise with Rich DeVos and feel Martins has had more pull than people know or want to admit.
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Re: The Anthony Black dunk tank 

Post#212 » by Skin » Thu Jul 3, 2025 8:11 pm

three3d wrote:
Skin wrote:
eyriq wrote:
What is your view on his position, archetype, and upside?

Weltman made a mistake initially banking on AB as a PG. He fooled himself because as we all know, he is INFATUATED with the long boi line up and wanted very badly for AB to be his PG of the future. But AB isn't built to be one. You can't be a PG with a poor handle and poor vision. You can't avg 3 AST/g and 2 TO/g in 24 mpg. ...and you DEFINITELY CANNOT have a non-shooting PG along Franz and Paolo...sorry, not sorry.

AB is GREAT as what he is built to do, and there is proof in the pudding. His defense helped this team be a top defense in the league. Isn't it funny that players are good at what they're good at and bad at what they're bad at? It's not rocket science. Yes, there is room to improve, but banking on that is where failure lies. It's taken 2 years and a painful playoff shooting performance from the entire team for Weltman to finally concede on his ignorance... but at least things are finally being addressed correctly.

In some ways these dramatic moves don't feel like Weltman's own doing. It just all seems so eeerily similar to Hennigan's last offseason. Trading Oladipo, signing Biyombo, Jeff Green, Agustin... We know now that the pressure was put on Henny and he mortgaged our future in doing what he did that offseason. He made moves like he didn't care about the long term future.

Makes me wonder if Weltman is feeling that pressure now. The fact that Alex Martins stepped down is also hilariously ironic.

But back to AB. AB was a project, is a project, but now I think he'll have his best chance to succeed because he doesn't have to be pigion holed into trying to be a PG. With Suggs, Jones, and Richardson, our PG spot is golden. Black can compete for minutes at the 2 with Jett. ...and the Magic need one of them to step up. It's not out of the question for one of them in order for us to bring back Mo and/or Houstan.



I think Alex Martins got a really friendly push to the side by the young DeVos. I’ve also for a long time felt he has been the longest tenured exec or voice in the franchise with Rich DeVos and feel Martins has had more pull than people know or want to admit.

If Weltman is making moves like this behind the support of the young Devos, then that's a good sign. Best offseason I can remember in a long time.
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Re: The Anthony Black dunk tank 

Post#213 » by eyriq » Fri Jul 4, 2025 11:11 am

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?t=5WprMVo0FSK61QocAiJsxA&s=19
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Re: The Anthony Black dunk tank 

Post#214 » by GelbeWand09 » Fri Jul 4, 2025 11:45 am

eyriq wrote:
Read on Twitter
?t=5WprMVo0FSK61QocAiJsxA&s=19


How surprising that non of those gifs shows the typical PG drives to the rim and collapses the defense and than passes out kind of passes. The closest are 3 times when he gets around the FT line. Even that ''Highlight'' stuff shows that he lacks the ability to get past defender & put rim pressure without a open lane and do normal PG things.

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