Official 2023-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread

[thelead]

Fultz and Harris for Poole

stooooooop with Poole nonesense...
dude is worst player in the NBA

https://youtu.be/eWgxJFtbx8A?t=448

Update: Fultz and Harris for Poole and Kispert

You want to use our precious cap space on Poole… you think that’s going to make a positive impression on Paolo and Franz?

[MasterGMer]

stooooooop with Poole nonesense...
dude is worst player in the NBA

https://youtu.be/eWgxJFtbx8A?t=448

Update: Fultz and Harris for Poole and Kispert

You want to use our precious cap space on Poole… you think that’s going to make a positive impression on Paolo and Franz?

That is right, however, we need more weapons. But I do not think it is Poole either


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[The-Stallion70]

MCW was a dogsht offensive player overall and still better than AB

Fultz for Fournier, evan can have his long awaited farewell tour here.

Jokes aside, his shooting could help us and both are expiring. If Black isn't ready for more pg duty by the trade deadline then that's concerning.

[Skybox]

Yea, realgm, where Magic fans are so overrating there own players trade value.
Like I already said. Carter is injury prone. AB is not even in top 10 rookie ladder, despite playing big minutes. He is super bad on offense. Good on defense, but not a good fit for us, his profile is too similar to Suggs. And first rounder will be a late one. While Simons is having a career season.
I’d to that trade in a heartbeat. Win win situation for the teams, AB is a good fit there, Simons is a good fit here.

You’re making the SAME EXACT mistake Bulls made when evaluating Vuc. Simons is good. He is not great. You’re overpaying by including AB.

Dont agree. AB is on path to next MCW, while Simons is such a good fit here.

We could certainly debate how good AB really is all day...but as JRoy said POR can't use him and his 3ppg, so it's kind of moot. I like AB, but let's not get carried away....IF Simons is "good, not great", I don't know what that makes AB or WCJ

[Skybox]

Black was out last night but he managed the same stat line that he often puts up -- 0 points, 0 rebounds, 0 assists, 0 threes. He's extremely consistent.

That's not nice...but

[Skybox]

ORL sends Black, WCJ
DET sends Ivey, Bogdanovic

all about fit. Recent high draft picks placed in redundant positions on the teams that selected them. WCJ's versatility complements Duren and he's young enough to grow with Cade and company. ORL still maintains loads of expiring salary and picks to work with.

Not a chance the Pistons do this. I dont see how Black is a better fit for their team then Ivey. Ivey is showing some real flashes lately.

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Somebody smarter than both of us pointed out that DET has Ausur Thompson...nobody needs two of those...One is nice.

[CarraT]

Oh man this is just a crazy statement.

Mark my words.

Let me ask you a wild question:

For the future of this team being successful in the playoff, who do you prefer from our PG rotation to be traded now? Markelle or AB?


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Depending on what we get in return. I dont see any of them as the core, or a good fit to our core.

[The-Stallion70]

Not sure we have the assets to get 23ppg on nearly 56 ts% Simons. This is better than both Paolo and Franz.

Wendell is injury prone and not really even a top 15 center in the league, no way they would want just him plus they have Ayton anyways.

[RookieStar]

Sooo... asking price for Murray is only 2 FRP? We got that.

Would the Hawks really trade within the division?
What's up with the beed between PB and him?

[thelead]

56% TS% is below average. This is why I’m harping on our guys needing to get better there too. One could argue that playing alongside Paolo will open things up a bit for him but I wouldn’t overpay to find out. Simons isn’t a sure thing to be an efficient 20ppg with us.

For comparison, Tyus is at 61% on his terrible team.

[eyriq]

stooooooop with Poole nonesense...
dude is worst player in the NBA

https://youtu.be/eWgxJFtbx8A?t=448

Update: Fultz and Harris for Poole and Kispert

You want to use our precious cap space on Poole… you think that’s going to make a positive impression on Paolo and Franz?

He's one of those Rozier, Dragic, Russell, Dinwiddie, McCollum, Clarkson types and can be salvaged if he's taken his humble medicine. The mini-Booker archetype. Simons is another name that fits in that archetype.

The most attractive thing to me is that he should be dirt cheap, has Wolverine roots, has championship experience, and should be humbled by The Sucker Punch and The Sucker experiences.

[thelead]

Update: Fultz and Harris for Poole and Kispert

You want to use our precious cap space on Poole… you think that’s going to make a positive impression on Paolo and Franz?

He's one of those Rozier, Dragic, Russell, Dinwiddie, McCollum, Clarkson types and can be salvaged if he's taken his humble medicine. The mini-Booker archetype. Simons is another name that fits in that archetype.

The most attractive thing to me is that he should be dirt cheap, has Wolverine roots, has championship experience, and should be humbled by The Sucker Punch and The Sucker experiences.

No knuckleheads please

[eyriq]

You want to use our precious cap space on Poole… you think that’s going to make a positive impression on Paolo and Franz?

He's one of those Rozier, Dragic, Russell, Dinwiddie, McCollum, Clarkson types and can be salvaged if he's taken his humble medicine. The mini-Booker archetype. Simons is another name that fits in that archetype.

The most attractive thing to me is that he should be dirt cheap, has Wolverine roots, has championship experience, and should be humbled by The Sucker Punch and The Sucker experiences.

No knuckleheads please

I'm riding this for just itsy bit longer

[The-Stallion70]

56% TS% is below average. This is why I’m harping on our guys needing to get better there too. One could argue that playing alongside Paolo will open things up a bit for him but I wouldn’t overpay to find out. Simons isn’t a sure thing to be an efficient 20ppg with us.

For comparison, Tyus is at 61% on his terrible team.

So your solution is to put 3ppg Black out there instead? There is value is finding a player who scores a high volume of points even if it is below the league.

Not to mention that both Paolo and Simons would benefit from playing with one another creating more gravity. Simons scoring 23 ppg on nearly league average ts% is generating the most gravity on his team.

Bear in mind that the league average ts% is bolstered by role player types like Sam Hauser and DeAndre Jordan. If you can find a true high volume high efficiency scorer, they're called superstars.

And this obsession with Tyus is a bit puzzling, he is not really a better player than Cole. If you think Cole is bad on defense try watching a player the same size and much less athletic.

[thelead]

I’m super interested in Simons… I just think we have to be careful not to overpay by a mile as I don’t think he’s worth the gamble over a certain price.

[orlando_joe]

With AB were playing 4 on 5 on offense. Simons shooting/gravity will create so much space for Wagner/Banchero to operate and develop better. Defensive role players are easy to get. Players with efficient 23 ppg and being elite from long distance, thats what we lack since T-Mac days. Suggs btw is already what AB may become at best. No need to have that redudancy.

t-mac come on...better chance he could turn into poole ...does not mean you have to overpay thats way more then simons value..would hold assets for better fit...a 2-way player
playing goga and black with franz not hitting his 3s is whats making spacing bad
and yes i would take 2 suggs at guard please

Never said Simons is as good as T-Mac.
And no, Franz is still respected and guarded. AB is being left wide open because he cant shoot and gets 5 ppg. Never understood how people here are saying our franchise players are the problem, just to defend the big weaknesses of our role players. Same thing happens with Fultz.
Let me know about the two-player whos hitting efficient 23ppg from long distance and is available for an always-injured decent center, a rookie who is not even ranked top 10, and a late 1st rounder.
We dont need two Suggs. He developed great, i love him and think he is untouchable. But we need someone with different strengths to complement our core of Suggs, Franz, Paolo.

never said franz problem ..it having 2 guys at same time not guarded goga has no one within 10 ft of him at 3pt line worse spacing then black ..just adding to it is franz not hitting his 3s...with wcj and franz hitting his 3s paint wont be clogged anything close to what it is

[ogmagicfan]

Sooo... asking price for Murray is only 2 FRP? We got that.

Would the Hawks really trade within the division?
What's up with the beed between PB and him?

I'm just as intrigued about Murray's relationship with Trae, because they don't seem close at all

[ogmagicfan]

Simons is one of the worst defenders in the league, and at this point is a 6th man.

Even with Suggs next to him I don't like the look defensively, and don't think he's as gamechanging offensively as others act like he is. He's fairly inconsistent and a big part of that is being heavily dependent on his jump shot.

Along with the fact that he'a a SG, not a PG and wouldn't help solve our issues with not having someone who can run a good PnR or simply play the PG position comfortably, I don't think he's worth going to get

[ogmagicfan]

If we could somehow land both Tyus Jones & Quentin Grimes before the trade deadline, that'd be perfect. Then maybe go and get Claxton this offseason

PG: Tyus, Cole/Black
SG: Suggs, Grimes/Black
SF: Franz, Ingles/Black
PF: Paolo, Isaac
C: Claxton, Goga

[eyriq]

Simons is one of the worst defenders in the league, and at this point is a 6th man.

Even with Suggs next to him I don't like the look defensively, and don't think he's as gamechanging offensively as others act like he is. He's fairly inconsistent and a big part of that is being heavily dependent on his jump shot.

Along with the fact that he'a a SG, not a PG and wouldn't help solve our issues with not having someone who can run a good PnR or simply play the PG position comfortably, I don't think he's worth going to get

I was just thinking about this. I think Simons is stylistically similar to Cole. I wonder if Weltman wants two players from this archetype on the team. My guess is no. I suspect he'll look to upgrade on Fultz and bring in a game manager, not a microwave scorer.