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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#2001 » by tiderulz » Tue Jul 1, 2025 5:50 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
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pepe1991 wrote:Nuggets got LOT better.

I still don't get how CBA allows crap that Bucks just pulled.
Still feels like NBA teams can do just about everything if they are willing to pay for it.


Hard to completely restrict any team in professional sports. You just don't want to get soccer level imbalance of specific teams. I think now teams will quite literally pay for it at a later point though if they get particularly greedy.


NBA will learn in painful way that parity is only interesting to hardcore fans on internet that make vocal minority of basketball fans.

7 different champs the past 7 years and popularity hasnt slowed much.
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Post#2002 » by VFX » Tue Jul 1, 2025 5:50 pm

pepe1991 wrote:Nuggets got LOT better.

I still don't get how CBA allows crap that Bucks just pulled.
Still feels like NBA teams can do just about everything if they are willing to pay for it.



Not sure what you mean.

Bucks absolutely screwed themselves regardless of waiving Lillard.
Their options were trade Giannis for a package of picks to reset OR waive Lillard to remain competitive.

They have no future draft capital or trade pieces otherwise and they think the East is open when in reality it absolutely isnt.

They are simply biding their time at this point until they trade Giannis. I'd be pissed if I was a Bucks fan. Should have just pulled the plug.
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#2003 » by Def Swami » Tue Jul 1, 2025 5:51 pm

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Def Swami wrote:On the Magic side, I like our team. Bane and Jones are upgrades. Our defense should be good again. The defense will always make us competitive.

I also question whether these moves are enough to improve our team shooting from worst in the league to average. We're going to need Franz to find his shot again. We're going to need Carter Jr and Isaac to try to play up to their contracts. We need Black, Da Silva, Howard to come along. A lot of questions in my eyes still on that end.

In an ideal world, we could upgrade 1-2 more of those role player minutes. But that salary cap math is tough unless we find some takers via trade for these players. And I'm not sure the market is there.


It was always going to depend on Franz/Paolo/Suggs replicating or finding their shot. You can only add so much shooting to mask for deficiencies of your stars who will have a lot of usage. The role players can't be like worst in the league sort of bad, but our stars need to step up on that end.

Yeah but the role players were worst in the league sort of bad. Does swapping Bane for KCP and Jones for Anthony help? I believe and hope so!

I don’t disagree with your point. That’s why I mentioned Wagner because his shooting woes puzzle me the most between the trio of Suggs and Banchero. It’s moot if the trio doesn’t get better.

At the same time, Black, Carter Jr, and Isaac are presumptively in the rotation and they’re going to be open and ignored by defenses a lot. How we manage that rotation with our best players at their best going downhill and at the rim is going to be Mosely’s biggest challenge again.
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#2004 » by pepe1991 » Tue Jul 1, 2025 5:51 pm

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pepe1991 wrote:
SOUL wrote:
Hard to completely restrict any team in professional sports. You just don't want to get soccer level imbalance of specific teams. I think now teams will quite literally pay for it at a later point though if they get particularly greedy.


NBA will learn in painful way that parity is only interesting to hardcore fans on internet that make vocal minority of basketball fans.


Ehh.. superteams were not that fun either. And you can still build "imbalanced" teams today, you just have to get smarter about it. Being able to have 3 mega stars and have a bunch of good vets sign below market value because you're Miami or LA or whatever isn't that fair.


Most watched nba finals since Jordan era- Warriors vs Cavs and clash of 6 all stars.

What you and we want isn't what's best for a league. League thrives when teams like LA are in finals every year and players like Lebron are either in finals or on big market team, in perfect world- both.
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#2005 » by VFX » Tue Jul 1, 2025 5:54 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
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pepe1991 wrote:Nuggets got LOT better.

I still don't get how CBA allows crap that Bucks just pulled.
Still feels like NBA teams can do just about everything if they are willing to pay for it.


Hard to completely restrict any team in professional sports. You just don't want to get soccer level imbalance of specific teams. I think now teams will quite literally pay for it at a later point though if they get particularly greedy.


NBA will learn in painful way that parity is only interesting to hardcore fans on internet that make vocal minority of basketball fans.


I think its the opposite. Casuals can get excited about their team being relevant if their GM isnt an absolute moron.

Yeah, I actually can appreciate rookie scale players and vets mattering more than waving a towel on the bench.

You can't just keep the same team for 5 years.. you have to make decisions and be strategic.
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#2006 » by SOUL » Tue Jul 1, 2025 5:56 pm

pepe1991 wrote:Most watched nba finals since Jordan era- Warriors vs Cavs and clash of 6 all stars.

What you and we want isn't what's best for a league. League thrives when teams like LA are in finals every year and players like Lebron are either in finals or on big market team, in perfect world- both.


Well of course - just like MLB would want Yankees-Dodgers World Series again lol. New CBA isn't perfect at all and has lots of issues but I think it also helps offset some bias of location/"legacy" teams. The real issue seems to be teams that build expensive teams and then have an injury and are forced to completely re-shape it.
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#2007 » by thelead » Tue Jul 1, 2025 6:33 pm

SOUL wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:Most watched nba finals since Jordan era- Warriors vs Cavs and clash of 6 all stars.

What you and we want isn't what's best for a league. League thrives when teams like LA are in finals every year and players like Lebron are either in finals or on big market team, in perfect world- both.


Well of course - just like MLB would want Yankees-Dodgers World Series again lol. New CBA isn't perfect at all and has lots of issues but I think it also helps offset some bias of location/"legacy" teams. The real issue seems to be teams that build expensive teams and then have an injury and are forced to completely re-shape it.
the real key to building a long-term contender is drafting a superstar(s) that gets injured early in their career and is forced to take less than a super max. If you’re able to do that, you have all the flexibility to build a proper team.

This CBA needs a bit of tweaking.
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Post#2008 » by Rainwater » Tue Jul 1, 2025 6:47 pm

VFX wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:Nuggets got LOT better.

I still don't get how CBA allows crap that Bucks just pulled.
Still feels like NBA teams can do just about everything if they are willing to pay for it.



Not sure what you mean.

Bucks absolutely screwed themselves regardless of waiving Lillard.
Their options were trade Giannis for a package of picks to reset OR waive Lillard to remain competitive.

They have no future draft capital or trade pieces otherwise and they think the East is open when in reality it absolutely isnt.

They are simply biding their time at this point until they trade Giannis. I'd be pissed if I was a Bucks fan. Should have just pulled the plug.


While agree for the most part, i think most Bucks fans would have preferred to waive Dame to trade Giannis. Trading Giannis from Mil is like trading Steph from GSW at this point.
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#2009 » by VFX » Tue Jul 1, 2025 6:59 pm

Rainwater wrote:
VFX wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:Nuggets got LOT better.

I still don't get how CBA allows crap that Bucks just pulled.
Still feels like NBA teams can do just about everything if they are willing to pay for it.



Not sure what you mean.

Bucks absolutely screwed themselves regardless of waiving Lillard.
Their options were trade Giannis for a package of picks to reset OR waive Lillard to remain competitive.

They have no future draft capital or trade pieces otherwise and they think the East is open when in reality it absolutely isnt.

They are simply biding their time at this point until they trade Giannis. I'd be pissed if I was a Bucks fan. Should have just pulled the plug.


While agree for the most part, i think most Bucks fans would have preferred to waive Dame to trade Giannis. Trading Giannis from Mil is like trading Steph from GSW at this point.


I think this idea comes down to how much you believe the Bucks are a contender now given their roster and assets whether you are a fan or not.

I think they are in a rough spot in either scenario tbh.
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#2010 » by RichCollab » Tue Jul 1, 2025 7:06 pm

Moe!!!! Time to sign on the dotted line.
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#2011 » by BCS » Tue Jul 1, 2025 7:32 pm

thelead wrote:
SOUL wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:Most watched nba finals since Jordan era- Warriors vs Cavs and clash of 6 all stars.

What you and we want isn't what's best for a league. League thrives when teams like LA are in finals every year and players like Lebron are either in finals or on big market team, in perfect world- both.


Well of course - just like MLB would want Yankees-Dodgers World Series again lol. New CBA isn't perfect at all and has lots of issues but I think it also helps offset some bias of location/"legacy" teams. The real issue seems to be teams that build expensive teams and then have an injury and are forced to completely re-shape it.
the real key to building a long-term contender is drafting a superstar(s) that gets injured early in their career and is forced to take less than a super max. If you’re able to do that, you have all the flexibility to build a proper team.

This CBA needs a bit of tweaking.
I agree, I believe the supermax amount should not count towards apron, just my 2 cents. The purpose was to give an incentive for the drafted player to resign with team and either keep or trade him and not lose him for nothing which is achieved because they want to max out their pay, but it cripples the team financially. Look at Booker about to get $75m a year smh.

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Post#2012 » by Braggins » Tue Jul 1, 2025 7:33 pm

I think Orlando could win the East. Cleveland, Orlando, and New York, seem like the only obvious contenders.

I love the guard rotation now that Bane is here. I think Suggs and Black will compete for the other starting guard position and Jones is a perfectly complimentary backup next to Black or Suggs.
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#2013 » by pepe1991 » Tue Jul 1, 2025 7:37 pm

BCS wrote:
thelead wrote:
SOUL wrote:
Well of course - just like MLB would want Yankees-Dodgers World Series again lol. New CBA isn't perfect at all and has lots of issues but I think it also helps offset some bias of location/"legacy" teams. The real issue seems to be teams that build expensive teams and then have an injury and are forced to completely re-shape it.
the real key to building a long-term contender is drafting a superstar(s) that gets injured early in their career and is forced to take less than a super max. If you’re able to do that, you have all the flexibility to build a proper team.

This CBA needs a bit of tweaking.
I agree, I believe the supermax amount should not count towards apron, just my 2 cents. The purpose was to give an incentive for the drafted player to resign with team and either keep or trade him and not lose him for nothing which is achieved because they want to max out their pay, but it cripples the team financially. Look at Booker about to get $75m a year smh.

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Post#2014 » by Magic_Johnny12 » Tue Jul 1, 2025 7:49 pm

thelead wrote:Who goes next summer when Paolo goes from 15 to 40+ mil? This on top of WCJ going from 11 to 20…


WHO CARES, by then as we will be Champions and celebrating on Church Street :devil:
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#2015 » by Rainwater » Tue Jul 1, 2025 7:59 pm

VFX wrote:
Rainwater wrote:
VFX wrote:

Not sure what you mean.

Bucks absolutely screwed themselves regardless of waiving Lillard.
Their options were trade Giannis for a package of picks to reset OR waive Lillard to remain competitive.

They have no future draft capital or trade pieces otherwise and they think the East is open when in reality it absolutely isnt.

They are simply biding their time at this point until they trade Giannis. I'd be pissed if I was a Bucks fan. Should have just pulled the plug.


While agree for the most part, i think most Bucks fans would have preferred to waive Dame to trade Giannis. Trading Giannis from Mil is like trading Steph from GSW at this point.


I think this idea comes down to how much you believe the Bucks are a contender now given their roster and assets whether you are a fan or not.

I think they are in a rough spot in either scenario tbh.


No, I agree. I was just speaking from an emotional perspective for bucks fans. I think regardless how bad things get in Mil Giannis will not be traded unless he ask for it.
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Post#2016 » by Optimus_Steel » Tue Jul 1, 2025 8:03 pm

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
thelead wrote:Who goes next summer when Paolo goes from 15 to 40+ mil? This on top of WCJ going from 11 to 20…


WHO CARES, by then as we will be Champions and celebrating on Church Street :devil:



People are too worried about Paolo's contract. He is making that much and getting bonuses we are in a good place.
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Post#2017 » by sChOlaRlY_Magi » Tue Jul 1, 2025 8:11 pm

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basketballRob wrote:Jett's not even in Orlando, so he won't be on the summer league team. He posted a pic on IG with a hill in the background. We don't have hills in Orlando.

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I get what you're saying but have you have ever been to Clermont?


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I was going to say the same thing!
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Post#2018 » by three3d » Tue Jul 1, 2025 8:13 pm

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basketballRob wrote:Jett's not even in Orlando, so he won't be on the summer league team. He posted a pic on IG with a hill in the background. We don't have hills in Orlando.

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I get what you're saying but have you have ever been to Clermont?


Lol

I was going to say the same thing!


Lol he was over at Bok Tower
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Post#2019 » by Blue_and_Whte » Tue Jul 1, 2025 8:25 pm

three3d wrote::lol:
sChOlaRlY_Magi wrote:
richi_v25 wrote:
I get what you're saying but have you have ever been to Clermont?


Lol

I was going to say the same thing!


Lol he was over at Bok Tower

He was over at Howey in the hills :lol:
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Post#2020 » by SloNick Russia » Tue Jul 1, 2025 8:40 pm

Its very difficult to rebuild when a team doesn't own their picks, Bucks don't have much choice but to stick with Giannis until they have picks to tank again. Waiving Dame may gave them 1-2 more seasons.
Still I like how Pacers got played for been cheap.

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