Official Speculation Thread '19-'20 V: Purgatory

[Bensational]

If Phoenix are making the push on the playoffs and going in on CP3 as the rumours suggest, I wonder if Phoenix would use Cam + #10 on Gordon to round out their starting 5? Former Arizona guy, too.

Impossible trade from salary perspective

Cam makes $4M , Gordon $18M.

if they pull trigger on Paul trade, witch i would assume would happen before, they would give up Rubio, Oubre, Bridges, kaminsky( just to come close to Paul salary) and absorb rest of Paul's salary over that, and be over cap.

This is even assuming they won't resign Saric, who is RFA , but it's in their best interest that they do, because after CP3 trade they will have no cap flexibility whatsoever.

Worked here?

[pepe1991]

If Phoenix are making the push on the playoffs and going in on CP3 as the rumours suggest, I wonder if Phoenix would use Cam + #10 on Gordon to round out their starting 5? Former Arizona guy, too.

Impossible trade from salary perspective

Cam makes $4M , Gordon $18M.

if they pull trigger on Paul trade, witch i would assume would happen before, they would give up Rubio, Oubre, Bridges, kaminsky( just to come close to Paul salary) and absorb rest of Paul's salary over that, and be over cap.

This is even assuming they won't resign Saric, who is RFA , but it's in their best interest that they do, because after CP3 trade they will have no cap flexibility whatsoever.

Worked here?

i don't think it should.
Suns currently have $91M in cap space, exiting Oubre and, Rubio and Cam worth is $35,5M

Gordon and Paul add additional $59,5 M to their books.

So udner contract Suns would have: Booker, Paul, Gordon, Ayton , Bridges, Kaminsky and Ty Jeremo. And they already put them on verge of cap space for 2020-21. ( actually bit over, if my math didn't fail me, it's $110M in books on 7 players).

They could keep Lecque and Okobo, but that's additional $3M in books. If they resign Šarić and Baynes or use MLE, they are probably entering luxury tax.

Also why would oKC flush Paul for 26 years old average player and 30 years old point guard without asking for pick?
They don't need Magic in that trade.

[Magic_Johnny12]

Take with a grain of salt, but there's some account on Twitter saying that Boston and Orlando are engaged in talks to swap Jaylen Brown for Vucevic.

I'm sure more would be involved, primarily picks but if they envision keeping Gordon longterm this actually makes some sense.

Kemba
Smart
Hayward
Tatum
Vucevic

[fendilim]

Take with a grain of salt, but there's some account on Twitter saying that Boston and Orlando are engaged in talks to swap Jaylen Brown for Vucevic.

I'm sure more would be involved, primarily picks but if they envision keeping Gordon longterm this actually makes some sense.

Kemba
Smart
Hayward
Tatum
Vucevic

LOL

That would be quite stupid for the celtics. They didnt trade brown for kawhi/ad. Then they’ll trade him for vuc?

[Magic_Johnny12]

Take with a grain of salt, but there's some account on Twitter saying that Boston and Orlando are engaged in talks to swap Jaylen Brown for Vucevic.

I'm sure more would be involved, primarily picks but if they envision keeping Gordon longterm this actually makes some sense.

Kemba
Smart
Hayward
Tatum
Vucevic

LOL

That would be quite stupid for the celtics. They didnt trade brown for kawhi/ad. Then they’ll trade him for vuc?

Don't shoot the messenger

It has to be fake because it ended with that "Orlando is hesitant on taking on Tremont Waters" which is a 2 way player lmao

[Xatticus]

Take with a grain of salt, but there's some account on Twitter saying that Boston and Orlando are engaged in talks to swap Jaylen Brown for Vucevic.

I'm sure more would be involved, primarily picks but if they envision keeping Gordon longterm this actually makes some sense.

Kemba
Smart
Hayward
Tatum
Vucevic

Spoiler:

If only...

[Skin]

Take with a grain of salt, but there's some account on Twitter saying that Boston and Orlando are engaged in talks to swap Jaylen Brown for Vucevic.

I'm sure more would be involved, primarily picks but if they envision keeping Gordon longterm this actually makes some sense.

Kemba
Smart
Hayward
Tatum
Vucevic

No wonder you bash on reasonable trade ideas for the Magic in the T/T forum. You believe stuff like this! I get it now.

[Magic_Johnny12]

Take with a grain of salt, but there's some account on Twitter saying that Boston and Orlando are engaged in talks to swap Jaylen Brown for Vucevic.

I'm sure more would be involved, primarily picks but if they envision keeping Gordon longterm this actually makes some sense.

Kemba
Smart
Hayward
Tatum
Vucevic

No wonder you bash on reasonable trade ideas for the Magic in the T/T forum. You believe stuff like this! I get it now.

Oh damn, I apologize. I thought I was posting in the SPECULATION thread. I get it now.

[Skin]

Take with a grain of salt, but there's some account on Twitter saying that Boston and Orlando are engaged in talks to swap Jaylen Brown for Vucevic.

I'm sure more would be involved, primarily picks but if they envision keeping Gordon longterm this actually makes some sense.

Kemba
Smart
Hayward
Tatum
Vucevic

No wonder you bash on reasonable trade ideas for the Magic in the T/T forum. You believe stuff like this! I get it now.

Oh damn, I apologize. I thought I was posting in the SPECULATION thread. I get it now.

All fun and games. Happy Veteran's Day!

[Magic_Johnny12]

Read a report from a league executive that said "Chuma Okeke would go top 5 in the years draft" and wasn't really gloating about how Okeke was this all grand player, but how weak this draft is.

When I think about it I may agree, if Toppin is considered the consensus #5 pick then there may be actually legs to that bold statement because I think I easily draft Okeke with all things considered before Toppin.

I say conservatively hes a top 6-9 pick though.

[RookieStar]

Read a report from a league executive that said "Chuma Okeke would go top 5 in the years draft" and wasn't really gloating about how Okeke was this all grand player, but how weak this draft is.

When I think about it I may agree, if Toppin is considered the consensus #5 pick then there may be actually legs to that bold statement because I think I easily draft Okeke with all things considered before Toppin.

I say conservatively hes a top 6-9 pick though.

You actually bring up a good topic for discussion.

Seeing Okeke's last playing year and knowing he is HEALTHY already, where do you guys put him up in this drat year? Is his performance worthy of being top-5 with his competition? ( Ball, Wiseman, Edwards)

[basketballRob]

I assume we'll here whether Fournier opts in or not before the draft?

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[Magic_Johnny12]

I assume we'll here whether Fournier opts in or not before the draft?

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No need to wait, he's 110% opting in .

Even KOC giggled about it when it was brought up and said he's definitely opting in no question which I whole-heartedly agree with.

Not only is 17m the most money I think he could get per season out there, but there's not enough money this offseason and it's in his best interest to wait until next year where almost 90% of the league will have funds.

[Magic_Johnny12]

Read a report from a league executive that said "Chuma Okeke would go top 5 in the years draft" and wasn't really gloating about how Okeke was this all grand player, but how weak this draft is.

When I think about it I may agree, if Toppin is considered the consensus #5 pick then there may be actually legs to that bold statement because I think I easily draft Okeke with all things considered before Toppin.

I say conservatively hes a top 6-9 pick though.

You actually bring up a good topic for discussion.

Seeing Okeke's last playing year and knowing he is HEALTHY already, where do you guys put him up in this drat year? Is his performance worthy of being top-5 with his competition? ( Ball, Wiseman, Edwards)

I think any GM with a top pick that is considering wings/forwards like Okoro/Toppin/Williams would be looking at Okeke as well.

[zaymon]

Read a report from a league executive that said "Chuma Okeke would go top 5 in the years draft" and wasn't really gloating about how Okeke was this all grand player, but how weak this draft is.

When I think about it I may agree, if Toppin is considered the consensus #5 pick then there may be actually legs to that bold statement because I think I easily draft Okeke with all things considered before Toppin.

I say conservatively hes a top 6-9 pick though.

You actually bring up a good topic for discussion.

Seeing Okeke's last playing year and knowing he is HEALTHY already, where do you guys put him up in this drat year? Is his performance worthy of being top-5 with his competition? ( Ball, Wiseman, Edwards)

I think the closest comparison is Vassell. Both are great team defenders, Devin is more mobile while Chuma is stronger. I would pick Okeke becouse he has more versatile offensive game.

[dsg2021]

Take with a grain of salt, but there's some account on Twitter saying that Boston and Orlando are engaged in talks to swap Jaylen Brown for Vucevic.

I'm sure more would be involved, primarily picks but if they envision keeping Gordon longterm this actually makes some sense.

Kemba
Smart
Hayward
Tatum
Vucevic

Jaylen Brown is no Kemba and Tatum. I absolutely would flip him if I was Boston. They've always felt like they had too many mouths to feed. And I feel like Kemba and Hayward getting more touches and passes will only make Boston play much smarter. While Tatum is the hero.

Do we have any Jaylen Brown fans who can give us a scouting report? Even just a shot chart works for me, but I'm lazy to pull it up, hah

I'm not keen to lose Vooch though. I think he's more valuable than Jaylen Brown.

[Magic_Johnny12]

Take with a grain of salt, but there's some account on Twitter saying that Boston and Orlando are engaged in talks to swap Jaylen Brown for Vucevic.

I'm sure more would be involved, primarily picks but if they envision keeping Gordon longterm this actually makes some sense.

Kemba
Smart
Hayward
Tatum
Vucevic

Jaylen Brown is no Kemba and Tatum. I absolutely would flip him if I was Boston. They've always felt like they had too many mouths to feed. And I feel like Kemba and Hayward getting more touches and passes will only make Boston play much smarter. While Tatum is the hero.

Do we have any Jaylen Brown fans who can give us a scouting report? Even just a shot chart works for me, but I'm lazy to pull it up, hah

I'm not keen to lose Vooch though. I think he's more valuable than Jaylen Brown.

Spicy

[SOUL]

Take with a grain of salt, but there's some account on Twitter saying that Boston and Orlando are engaged in talks to swap Jaylen Brown for Vucevic.

I'm sure more would be involved, primarily picks but if they envision keeping Gordon longterm this actually makes some sense.

Kemba
Smart
Hayward
Tatum
Vucevic

Jaylen Brown is no Kemba and Tatum. I absolutely would flip him if I was Boston. They've always felt like they had too many mouths to feed. And I feel like Kemba and Hayward getting more touches and passes will only make Boston play much smarter. While Tatum is the hero.

Do we have any Jaylen Brown fans who can give us a scouting report? Even just a shot chart works for me, but I'm lazy to pull it up, hah

I'm not keen to lose Vooch though. I think he's more valuable than Jaylen Brown.

Jaylen is really good and would 100% be worth the trade. Celtics ain't doing it though.

[basketballRob]

I assume we'll here whether Fournier opts in or not before the draft?

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No need to wait, he's 110% opting in .

Even KOC giggled about it when it was brought up and said he's definitely opting in no question which I whole-heartedly agree with.

Not only is 17m the most money I think he could get per season out there, but there's not enough money this offseason and it's in his best interest to wait until next year where almost 90% of the league will have funds.

I could see a scenario where he signs at a lower yearly salary for more years and then traded. I guarantee some team out there is willing to give him a 3 year 45-50m deal. I doubt a team would outright sign him with cap room but sign and trade, yes.

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[SOUL]

Read a report from a league executive that said "Chuma Okeke would go top 5 in the years draft" and wasn't really gloating about how Okeke was this all grand player, but how weak this draft is.

When I think about it I may agree, if Toppin is considered the consensus #5 pick then there may be actually legs to that bold statement because I think I easily draft Okeke with all things considered before Toppin.

I say conservatively hes a top 6-9 pick though.

You actually bring up a good topic for discussion.

Seeing Okeke's last playing year and knowing he is HEALTHY already, where do you guys put him up in this drat year? Is his performance worthy of being top-5 with his competition? ( Ball, Wiseman, Edwards)

I think any GM with a top pick that is considering wings/forwards like Okoro/Toppin/Williams would be looking at Okeke as well.

Chuma was a pretty low usage college player on offense so I'm not sure that can accurately reflect him having a super high offensive ceiling to justify a top pick, but it raises his floor since he was so effective. I think a lot of teams would value that in the 7-14 range compared to taking more of a risk before that.