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DiplomaticMagic wrote:All I want in this draft is for the Bulls pick to convey. Im more concerned with that than winning the lottery to be honest. I am really high on Jett Howard and Gradey Dick and they are both in teens in lots of mocks. Maybe I should root for a Bulls winning streak.
SOUL wrote:DiplomaticMagic wrote:All I want in this draft is for the Bulls pick to convey. Im more concerned with that than winning the lottery to be honest. I am really high on Jett Howard and Gradey Dick and they are both in teens in lots of mocks. Maybe I should root for a Bulls winning streak.
If it conveys I think it's important for trade bait reasons. Otherwise, I don't see us selecting two more rookies. Not enough playing time and the timeline doesn't move forward really.
MagicMatic wrote:MasterGMer wrote:We don't need the Thompson twins, they can not shoot. And shooting should be our biggest priority.
However, I see us trading both of our picks
Who is Orlando trading both picks for?
If you say some kind of all-star, then make sure the outgoing salary matches and the team is definitely blowing it up.
IllMagic04 wrote:MagicMatic wrote:MasterGMer wrote:We don't need the Thompson twins, they can not shoot. And shooting should be our biggest priority.
However, I see us trading both of our picks
Who is Orlando trading both picks for?
If you say some kind of all-star, then make sure the outgoing salary matches and the team is definitely blowing it up.
Us trading both picks is a scenario I definitely think about. It would feel weird to do it but at the same time we have so much young talent currently. As for who it's hard to say until all the smoke clears. We gotta see where our pick lands and if the Bulls pick even conveys. Then you have to see if there's a disgruntled star that wants out. Stuff like that can come almost out of nowhere. Trae Young is someone to keep an eye on. I don't believe the Hawks have any plans to trade him and they fired the coach to appease him. However if he were to demand a trade, we would have a very inciting package centered around 2 top 12 picks and young talent.
MagicMatic wrote:IllMagic04 wrote:MagicMatic wrote:
Who is Orlando trading both picks for?
If you say some kind of all-star, then make sure the outgoing salary matches and the team is definitely blowing it up.
Us trading both picks is a scenario I definitely think about. It would feel weird to do it but at the same time we have so much young talent currently. As for who it's hard to say until all the smoke clears. We gotta see where our pick lands and if the Bulls pick even conveys. Then you have to see if there's a disgruntled star that wants out. Stuff like that can come almost out of nowhere. Trae Young is someone to keep an eye on. I don't believe the Hawks have any plans to trade him and they fired the coach to appease him. However if he were to demand a trade, we would have a very inciting package centered around 2 top 12 picks and young talent.
Yeah, it usually comes out of nowhere.
However, the stars have to align for any of it to be possible. Trae young is on a $37m/5yr contract and likely isn’t available. Atlanta would also have to take on Orlando’s trash contracts for those two picks that probably won’t be top 4.
They aren’t taking on Isaac’s corpse and Markelle Fultz, to pair with Murray, for a worse shooting back court than Orlando has currently.
I don’t think people realize how extremely unlikely it is trading for an allstar player.
For example, Kyrie being traded to Dallas only works because the Mavericks are desperate to get Luka some help. I don’t believe Orlando is that desperate yet,
MagicMatic wrote:Yeah, it usually comes out of nowhere.
The stars have to align for any of it to be possible. Trae young is on a $37m/5yr contract and likely isn’t available. Atlanta would also have to take on Orlando’s trash contracts for those two picks that probably won’t be top 4.
They aren’t taking on the corpse of Jonathan Isaac and Markelle Fultz, to pair with Murray, for a worse shooting back court than Orlando has currently.
I don’t think people realize how extremely unlikely it is trading for an allstar player.
For example, Kyrie being traded to Dallas only works because the Mavericks are desperate to get Luka some help. I don’t believe Orlando is that desperate yet.
eyriq wrote:This draft feels loaded to me. Two lottery picks will be insane. Wemby and Scoot seem like franchise players, Miller and the Thompson twins seem to have franchise potential, and then a bunch of prospects that seem like #2 or #3 talents on a championship team or epic role players.
A quick comment about my fav, Keyonte completely passes the eye ball test. He takes really tough shots and gets wherever he wants on the court. He just reminds me of a modern day scoring guard like Beal or Dame.
Hot take: I don't really like NSJ for some reason, his game feels second rate, like a glorified bench scorer.
Knightro wrote:MagicMatic wrote:Yeah, it usually comes out of nowhere.
The stars have to align for any of it to be possible. Trae young is on a $37m/5yr contract and likely isn’t available. Atlanta would also have to take on Orlando’s trash contracts for those two picks that probably won’t be top 4.
They aren’t taking on the corpse of Jonathan Isaac and Markelle Fultz, to pair with Murray, for a worse shooting back court than Orlando has currently.
I don’t think people realize how extremely unlikely it is trading for an allstar player.
For example, Kyrie being traded to Dallas only works because the Mavericks are desperate to get Luka some help. I don’t believe Orlando is that desperate yet.
I don't totally agree with this.
For the majority of teams who are punting/moving on from an all-star, the only thing that really matters is getting back multiple unprotected picks/young players on rookie contracts.
Like if the Hawks did trade Young to the Magic, Fultz, Isaac and Harris would all be in the deal to match salary, but they're ultimately irrelevant because they're all gone after next season anyway.
Atlanta is doing it for 5 cheap years of Brandon Miller and 5 cheap years of Nick Smith Jr and five cheap years of whatever player they pick in 2025 with the Magic's pick and 3 cheap years of Jalen Suggs, etc.
They're not making that move to remain as competitive as they possibly can. They'd be transitioning into a different phase of young player development around Murray.
MagicMatic wrote:Yes. I guess I could understand something involving Suggs, 2 frps, and filler. IF Young is even available.
The more realistic side of me wonders if that Orlando team has a higher ceiling or not if those picks became Miller and Smith/Dick.
Teams don’t usually trade their cornerstone franchise players willingly unless they run out of options. Atlanta has some options still.
Yeah. I think scouting prospects must be one of the hardest jobs. Basketball is played across a bunch of leagues and stats aren't standardized to account for this variation. Even within college it can be tough. Getting raw stats and historicals must be a challenge. Watching games is tricky in its own right not even considering the massive volume of game film required across prospects. I can't even imagine being accountable for getting it right, such an impressive talent and skillset. I would love to see how a team's analytics handles it.jezzerinho wrote:This draft scares the crap out of me. So many risky picks. Wemby (tho his fit could be odd with Paolo and Franz) and Miller are my top 2 and pretty bulletproof. After that, it has a bit of a turkeyshoot feel.
Let's see how the tournament unfolds, see if we can start to see clearer pictures of these prospects. For now, everyone has question marks.
Let me ask you then what would you have more shooting or talent? Sometimes they can be both sometimes not......since I have Amazon prime I can watch the overtime games...from what I see I like the twins...MasterGMer wrote:We don't need the Thompson twins, they can not shoot. And shooting should be our biggest priority.
However, I see us trading both of our picks
cedric76 wrote:Who is this?
AGE19.8
HEIGHT/WEIGHT6'7.25''
PLUSES
Excellent spot-up shooter with deep range. No one in the draft is better at hitting off-balance jumpers off screens.
Comfortable hitting one-two dribble pull-ups or step-backs from deep.
He quickly attacks closeouts rather than holding the ball, is aggressive on straight-line drives, and finishes with either hand inside.
Solid passer either off the dribble or when facilitating on the perimeter. He displays a high basketball IQ.
Plays hard on defense with good length, instincts, and focus. He’s not afraid to contest a shot even if it means being posterized.
MINUSES
Needs to quicken his shooting form. He brings the ball far out away from his body, which gives defenders an extra beat to contest his release.
Lean frame and lack of quickness could make him a defensive liability unless he gets a lot stronger and develops better fundamentals.
Takes too many risks as a passer by throwing the ball into traffic.
Doesnt it sound like Gradey dick?
No, it s KEVIN HUERTER
Would you be happy with Huerter as your Starting SG?
drsd wrote:NBAdraft has Orlando taking Dick and Black. I would be very please with that draft outcome. Almost as please as Orlando trading out of the draft (my preferred outcome).