2023 NBA Draft Thread

[cedric76]

Exactly. Trae Young... Mikal Bridges... Anfernee Simons...

Not interested in Simons or Trae because they both suck in D

I love Mikal but he LL be too expensive (I d offer Orl 1st+ Denver 1st+ Cole+ suggs/fuitz for him but I don't think they d bite)

However there are other good SG that would be cheaper to get

Which other good SG?

To name a few attainable:

#Lavine (Chicago is going nowhere and might do a fire sell this summer, they would trade him for expiring contract+ picks. Expensive but better than spending same amount on FVV)
Lavine could be a perfect 3rd option, decent Defender (when he wants too), can spread the floor and attack the basket

#vassell. Would SA turn down Ori 1st + Cole or ORL 1st + den 1st?
Tbh I don't see them turning down a top 5 + den 1st
Vassell would be the perfect fit at SG

#desmond bane (I can't see Memphis trading him)

#trent. Don't need to trade for him as we can get him in FA, and offer him a starting spot (with Harris as a backup)

[drsd]

To name a few attainable:

#Lavine (Chicago is going nowhere and might do a fire sell this summer, they would trade him for expiring contract+ picks. Expensive but better than spending same amount on FVV)
Lavine could be a perfect 3rd option, decent Defender (when he wants too), can spread the floor and attack the basket

#vassell. Would SA turn down Ori 1st + Cole or ORL 1st + den 1st?
Tbh I don't see them turning down a top 5 + den 1st
Vassell would be the perfect fit at SG

#desmond bane (I can't see Memphis trading him)

#trent. Don't need to trade for him as we can get him in FA, and offer him a starting spot (with Harris as a backup)

Clear and manageable paths to get 3 SG options.

I would add that any of these clear player upgrades can also be available: Luke Kennard, Damion Lee, Isaiah Joe, Grayson Allen, or Kevin Huerter.

Management needs to find a SG, and the list of players that can be reasonably opbatined is large. This is doable. So: do it!


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[Petre1978]

To name a few attainable:

#Lavine (Chicago is going nowhere and might do a fire sell this summer, they would trade him for expiring contract+ picks. Expensive but better than spending same amount on FVV)
Lavine could be a perfect 3rd option, decent Defender (when he wants too), can spread the floor and attack the basket

#vassell. Would SA turn down Ori 1st + Cole or ORL 1st + den 1st?
Tbh I don't see them turning down a top 5 + den 1st
Vassell would be the perfect fit at SG

#desmond bane (I can't see Memphis trading him)

#trent. Don't need to trade for him as we can get him in FA, and offer him a starting spot (with Harris as a backup)

Clear and manageable paths to get 3 SG options.

I would add that any of these clear player upgrades can also be available: Luke Kennard, Damion Lee, Isaiah Joe, Grayson Allen, or Kevin Huerter.

Management needs to find a SG, and the list of players that can be reasonably opbatined is large. This is doable. So: do it!


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Clearly some interesting players.
Top choice would be Bane but i don't think Memphis will trade him.
Huerter, Vassell or Trent would be great additions to the roster.

[Petre1978]

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[CarraT]

To name a few attainable:

#Lavine (Chicago is going nowhere and might do a fire sell this summer, they would trade him for expiring contract+ picks. Expensive but better than spending same amount on FVV)
Lavine could be a perfect 3rd option, decent Defender (when he wants too), can spread the floor and attack the basket

#vassell. Would SA turn down Ori 1st + Cole or ORL 1st + den 1st?
Tbh I don't see them turning down a top 5 + den 1st
Vassell would be the perfect fit at SG

#desmond bane (I can't see Memphis trading him)

#trent. Don't need to trade for him as we can get him in FA, and offer him a starting spot (with Harris as a backup)

Clear and manageable paths to get 3 SG options.

I would add that any of these clear player upgrades can also be available: Luke Kennard, Damion Lee, Isaiah Joe, Grayson Allen, or Kevin Huerter.

Management needs to find a SG, and the list of players that can be reasonably opbatined is large. This is doable. So: do it!


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Sure they would be upgrades at SG. But that doesnt change fact you shouldnt play Wagner & Banchero together with non-shooting pg like Fultz.
So in my opinion, we need to upgrade at both guard positions. For example, first sign FVV, then try to get best SG available for package of Anthony, Harris, Fultz, Bol Isaac, Okeke, and one of the picks, like #5 + Fultz + Bol for Vassel + McDermott

Leaves us with

FVV, Suggs, Anthony
Vassel, #7 Draft (Dick/Howard), Harris
Wagner, McDermott, Scholfield
Banchero, Okeke, Isaac or rim protecting FA
Carter Jr, Wagner, Goga

Thats finally a lot of shooting next to Wagner/Paolo.

[pepe1991]

You would have to send lot of picks for Vassell. Look at price tag on Murray from Spurs.
3 first round picks

Vassell is younger than Murray.

So it would probably be
2023 Bulls pick
2024 Magic pick
2025 Nuggets pick
2026 Magic pick

i assume ?

ofc there is scenario where Vassell simpl isn't for sale.

[drsd]

Sure they would be upgrades at SG. But that doesnt change fact you shouldnt play Wagner & Banchero together with non-shooting pg like Fultz.
So in my opinion, we need to upgrade at both guard positions. For example, first sign FVV, then try to get best SG available for package of Anthony, Harris, Fultz, Bol Isaac, Okeke, and one of the picks, like #5 + Fultz + Bol for Vassel + McDermott

Leaves us with

FVV, Suggs, Anthony
Vassel, #7 Draft (Dick/Howard), Harris
Wagner, McDermott, Scholfield
Banchero, Okeke, Isaac or rim protecting FA
Carter Jr, Wagner, Goga

Thats finally a lot of shooting next to Wagner/Paolo.

A complete reset of the guard starters is intersting and VanVleet plus one of the 20-SGs on offer is interesting. But I wouldn't stop at just shipping off Fultz, I think Suggs needs to be moved as well.

p.s. I love McDermott's game and if he was a throw-in of Suggs/Fultz, a bunch of picks and a couple life-time tickets to the Magic kingdom to balance the salaries to get Vassell, that's a win win.


The team I just made is:
VanVleet/Anthony/some vet
Vassel/Rookie/Houstan
F-Wagner/McDermott/Schofield
Banchero/Okeke/Bol
Carter/M-Wagner/some vet

I just love that team.

[Skybox]

Vassell, Huerter, Bridges, Bane are not available for a reasonable offer…I wish they were.

Also, to pay FVV, wouldn’t we first have to renounce some combo of Harris, Fultz, Isaac to clear enough? That’s (again) a big part of my Fultz equation- clearing that addtl. Cap space…not JUST the on-court upgrade. That’s why, imo, the timing is so vital to make decisions about Isaac & Fultz (it’s not just “giving up on them”) THIS summer. It’s like a momentary solar eclipse of opportunity & means to do it…it will pass very quickly if we sleep through it.

[Audi]

Vassell, Huerter, Bridges, Bane are not available for a reasonable offer…I wish they were.

Also, to pay FVV, wouldn’t we first have to renounce some combo of Harris, Fultz, Isaac to clear enough? That’s (again) a big part of my Fultz equation- clearing that addtl. Cap space…not JUST the on-court upgrade. That’s why, imo, the timing is so vital to make decisions about Isaac & Fultz (it’s not just “giving up on them”) THIS summer. It’s like a momentary solar eclipse of opportunity & means to do it…it will pass very quickly if we sleep through it.

IIRC, if we had to clear 2 of those 3, it's a sign we are paying too much for FVV.

[JoshuaPotter]

So someone educate me if you dont mind.

Wemby or Scoot. Would either have as good a rookie season as Paolo?

[Bergmaniac]

Not interested in Simons or Trae because they both suck in D

I love Mikal but he LL be too expensive (I d offer Orl 1st+ Denver 1st+ Cole+ suggs/fuitz for him but I don't think they d bite)

However there are other good SG that would be cheaper to get

Which other good SG?

To name a few attainable:

#Lavine (Chicago is going nowhere and might do a fire sell this summer, they would trade him for expiring contract+ picks. Expensive but better than spending same amount on FVV)
Lavine could be a perfect 3rd option, decent Defender (when he wants too), can spread the floor and attack the basket

Lavine won't agree to be the third option to a sophomore and a third year player. He will be paid over 40 mln. in the next few years and is a 2 time All_star. 40 mln.+ salary for a third option is way too much anyway.

[yoyojw17]

Not interested in Simons or Trae because they both suck in D

I love Mikal but he LL be too expensive (I d offer Orl 1st+ Denver 1st+ Cole+ suggs/fuitz for him but I don't think they d bite)

However there are other good SG that would be cheaper to get

Which other good SG?

To name a few attainable:

#Lavine (Chicago is going nowhere and might do a fire sell this summer, they would trade him for expiring contract+ picks. Expensive but better than spending same amount on FVV)
Lavine could be a perfect 3rd option, decent Defender (when he wants too), can spread the floor and attack the basket

#vassell. Would SA turn down Ori 1st + Cole or ORL 1st + den 1st?
Tbh I don't see them turning down a top 5 + den 1st
Vassell would be the perfect fit at SG

#desmond bane (I can't see Memphis trading him)

#trent. Don't need to trade for him as we can get him in FA, and offer him a starting spot (with Harris as a backup)

I feel like vassell addition would allow my "mikal bridges dreams" come true. Lol

I'm down!

[cedric76]

You would have to send lot of picks for Vassell. Look at price tag on Murray from Spurs.
3 first round picks

Vassell is younger than Murray.

So it would probably be
2023 Bulls pick
2024 Magic pick
2025 Nuggets pick
2026 Magic pick

i assume ?

ofc there is scenario where Vassell simpl isn't for sale.

No way

if it s the price you just say no, lol

but I cant see them say no to Vassell for Cam Whitmore + cole+ Den FRP

[Knightro]

Vassell, Huerter, Bridges, Bane are not available for a reasonable offer…I wish they were.

Bane, Huerter I definitely agree. Those are key players on teams looking to make deep playoff runs.

Bridges is probably not realistically available as the Nets can't really tank because they owe so many picks to the Rockets. My guess is that the Nets will actually look to take the picks they acquired in the Irving and Durant deals and actually be a buyer for a point guard to get the ball to their roster of 3&D forwards.

Now Vassell... I think he could be available.

San Antonio is clearly in the first year of a major rebuilding project and might be tempted to take a big package of first round picks considering Vassell's already in year 3 and is just 2 years away from a max extension.

The Spurs might be interested in resetting that financial clock and turn Vassell into 3-4 cost controlled assets.

[KillMonger]

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[Knightro]

Lavine won't agree to be the third option to a sophomore and a third year player. He will be paid over 40 mln. in the next few years and is a 2 time All_star. 40 mln.+ salary for a third option is way too much anyway.

LaVine is a bit of a flake, but he's quietly having another really good season.

This is now three consecutive years of averaging at least 25 PPG on a TS% over 60%.

And for all the handwringing about his knee, he's on pace to play 78 games this season.

[cedric76]

Which other good SG?

To name a few attainable:

#Lavine (Chicago is going nowhere and might do a fire sell this summer, they would trade him for expiring contract+ picks. Expensive but better than spending same amount on FVV)
Lavine could be a perfect 3rd option, decent Defender (when he wants too), can spread the floor and attack the basket

Lavine won't agree to be the third option to a sophomore and a third year player. He will be paid over 40 mln. in the next few years and is a 2 time All_star. 40 mln.+ salary for a third option is way too much anyway.

If he gets enough touches and win, he LL be happy, if he can get touches with DeMar and vouch, he ll get plenty with unselfish players like fultz,Franz and Paolo

[cedric76]

Vassell, Huerter, Bridges, Bane are not available for a reasonable offer…I wish they were.

Bane, Huerter I definitely agree. Those are key players on teams looking to make deep playoff runs.

Bridges is probably not realistically available as the Nets can't really tank because they owe so many picks to the Rockets. My guess is that the Nets will actually look to take the picks they acquired in the Irving and Durant deals and actually be a buyer for a point guard to get the ball to their roster of 3&D forwards.

Now Vassell... I think he could be available.

San Antonio is clearly in the first year of a major rebuilding project and might be tempted to take a big package of first round picks considering Vassell's already in year 3 and is just 2 years away from a max extension.

The Spurs might be interested in resetting that financial clock and turn Vassell into 3-4 cost controlled assets.

SA is looking for a franchise player, so they LL trade vassell for a chance to get one

[Bergmaniac]

If he gets enough touches and win, he LL be happy, if he can get touches with DeMar and vouch, he ll get plenty with unselfish players like fultz,Franz and Paolo

If he gets enough touches to be happy, he won't be the third option.

[Skybox]

You would have to send lot of picks for Vassell. Look at price tag on Murray from Spurs.
3 first round picks

Vassell is younger than Murray.

So it would probably be
2023 Bulls pick
2024 Magic pick
2025 Nuggets pick
2026 Magic pick

i assume ?

ofc there is scenario where Vassell simpl isn't for sale.

No way

if it s the price you just say no, lol

but I cant see them say no to Vassell for Cam Whitmore + cole+ Den FRP

I would expect them to say Hell No...Vassell is a Mikael Bridges clone. Long athletic defender who can shoot 3s at a high clip and may have untapped offensive game. 19ppg with 39% from 3 and improving