Official 2024-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread

[Ducklett]

What are you saying...that Cole is reliable enough in that role? or, that Cole is similar to Simons in that role?

I hope it's neither of those because they're each ludicrous

Cole is not reliable in that role, which is why he is one the bench and most of the board hates him and wants him gone. Simons is a bit more reliable, but the two hits to his game have always been consistency and folding under pressure.

What is ludicrous is wanting a guy because he put up 36 and 9 against the Pistons after giving away the game just because of that stat line.

1. No one hates Cole...even if we want to trade him. He's the best personality on the team-maybe the NBA
2. Simons is not "a bit more reliable"...he's in a different stratosphere than Cole
3. It says you joined in 2012...do you really think people are just suggesting Simons because of a game this week?

1. People certainly hate Cole the player. I have never said anyone hates Cole the person...
2. Fair. He is more than a bit more reliable than Cole. I was wrong to say that. He is still unreliable.
3. I responded to a certain poster who said specifically that we had no one other than Paolo that could put up 36 and 9. Why would you say that unless those specific stats had emphasis. I am not the one that said it. I have said I would like a guy that could shoot 39% from 3. That is a specific stat that I am looking for. See how this works?

[Skybox]

I just really very much want to see like 10 consecutive games of...

STARTERS: Suggs/KCP/Franz/Paolo/Goga
BENCH: Black/TDS/Isaac/Carter

as a 9-man rotation.

I really think that group could kick some ass.

Yeah, that's a good team.

We should hold the 4 seed, small chance to get the 3 seed. We should be favored in the 1st round of the playoffs and then face an uphill battle against the Cavs or Celtics in the next.

That's the main argument against a trade for me. We should be looking at a home court advantage series round 1 as it stands. Obviously we could lose that, but assuming we win then what is the value of giving up longterm assets for a player who probably doesn't put us past Boston or the Cavs? That's what needs to be weighed imo. Anything is possible of course, but talking liklihood and probabilities here. That's the question that needs to be asked before giving up real assets, especially for someone who isn't likely to be here long.

I think we've shown that, because of our defense alone, we can contend against anyone on any given night. Add back our 2 (by a lot) biggest offensive threats and Moe and you're really a threat, even in a series. Add just one more significant weapon like Simons to our bench unit and I think we're a true threat to beat anyone in a series...CLE & BOS don't scare me. A team like ORL can kind of inspire fear, due to the way they defend...certainly major discomfort, at minimum - especially if you're staring down a long physical series.

I agree that that's a good team...I think we're pretty close to being even more. Our defense just isn't realistically going to get much better...when we hit 3's or put up 100+ (even with half of our roster out), there's a really good chance we win. Basically moving guys that you didn't even list, along with a late frp or maybe even a few srps to give our offense that kind of boost and goose our odds of scoring 100+ and winning every night....LET"S GO

[Skybox]

Cole is not reliable in that role, which is why he is one the bench and most of the board hates him and wants him gone. Simons is a bit more reliable, but the two hits to his game have always been consistency and folding under pressure.

What is ludicrous is wanting a guy because he put up 36 and 9 against the Pistons after giving away the game just because of that stat line.

1. No one hates Cole...even if we want to trade him. He's the best personality on the team-maybe the NBA
2. Simons is not "a bit more reliable"...he's in a different stratosphere than Cole
3. It says you joined in 2012...do you really think people are just suggesting Simons because of a game this week?

1. People certainly hate Cole the player. I have never said anyone hates Cole the person...
2. Fair. He is more than a bit more reliable than Cole. I was wrong to say that. He is still unreliable.
3. I responded to a certain poster who said specifically that we had no one other than Paolo that could put up 36 and 9. Why would you say that unless those specific stats had emphasis. I am not the one that said it. I have said I would like a guy that could shoot 39% from 3. That is a specific stat that I am looking for. See how this works?

No, I don't really see how this works...but as to #3, I misunderstood. My mistake. I thought you were referring to a recent performance by Simons. Obviously, a few of us have been calling for him since POR hit the tank button a couple of years ago. These things escalate to polarized positions on RealGM...I KNOW Simons is an incomplete, limited, overpaid player - not a savior All-Star. His role in ORL would suit his skills to OUR particular needs beautifully. The money is irrelevant as long as the team cap is managed and 2nd Apron is avoided. Because everyone in the world would agree that he was overpaid, I would feel no obligation to give him a raise in a couple of years...on the other hand, maybe the fit is SO good and he just blows up into an All-Star type player - that's the kind of "problem" I'd love to deal with. It would be a buy-low theft if it's just matching salary and a late frp...but POR has reasons of their own to move off of him. Perfect storm - in our favor for a change.

[Idiosyncratic]

I just really very much want to see like 10 consecutive games of...

STARTERS: Suggs/KCP/Franz/Paolo/Goga
BENCH: Black/TDS/Isaac/Carter

as a 9-man rotation.

I really think that group could kick some ass.

Yeah, that's a good team.

We should hold the 4 seed, small chance to get the 3 seed. We should be favored in the 1st round of the playoffs and then face an uphill battle against the Cavs or Celtics in the next.

That's the main argument against a trade for me. We should be looking at a home court advantage series round 1 as it stands. Obviously we could lose that, but assuming we win then what is the value of giving up longterm assets for a player who probably doesn't put us past Boston or the Cavs? That's what needs to be weighed imo. Anything is possible of course, but talking liklihood and probabilities here. That's the question that needs to be asked before giving up real assets, especially for someone who isn't likely to be here long.

I think we've shown that, because of our defense alone, we can contend against anyone on any given night. Add back our 2 (by a lot) biggest offensive threats and Moe and you're really a threat, even in a series. Add just one more significant weapon like Simons to our bench unit and I think we're a true threat to beat anyone in a series...CLE & BOS don't scare me. A team like ORL can kind of inspire fear, due to the way they defend...certainly major discomfort, at minimum - especially if you're staring down a long physical series.

I agree that that's a good team...I think we're pretty close to being even more. Our defense just isn't realistically going to get much better...when we hit 3's or put up 100+ (even with half of our roster out), there's a really good chance we win. Basically moving guys that you didn't even list, along with a late frp or maybe even a few srps to give our offense that kind of boost and goose our odds of scoring 100+ and winning every night....LET"S GO

I'm for adding some form of shooting, so I do mostly agree. I probably am not as optimistic about our odds against those two teams as you, though anything is possible.

[Ducklett]

1. No one hates Cole...even if we want to trade him. He's the best personality on the team-maybe the NBA
2. Simons is not "a bit more reliable"...he's in a different stratosphere than Cole
3. It says you joined in 2012...do you really think people are just suggesting Simons because of a game this week?

1. People certainly hate Cole the player. I have never said anyone hates Cole the person...
2. Fair. He is more than a bit more reliable than Cole. I was wrong to say that. He is still unreliable.
3. I responded to a certain poster who said specifically that we had no one other than Paolo that could put up 36 and 9. Why would you say that unless those specific stats had emphasis. I am not the one that said it. I have said I would like a guy that could shoot 39% from 3. That is a specific stat that I am looking for. See how this works?

No, I don't really see how this works...but as to #3, I misunderstood. My mistake. I thought you were referring to a recent performance by Simons. Obviously, a few of us have been calling for him since POR hit the tank button a couple of years ago. These things escalate to polarized positions on RealGM...I KNOW Simons is an incomplete, limited, overpaid player - not a savior All-Star. His role in ORL would suit his skills to OUR particular needs beautifully. The money is irrelevant as long as the team cap is managed and 2nd Apron is avoided. Because everyone in the world would agree that he was overpaid, I would feel no obligation to give him a raise in a couple of years...on the other hand, maybe the fit is SO good and he just blows up into an All-Star type player - that's the kind of "problem" I'd love to deal with. It would be a buy-low theft if it's just matching salary and a late frp...but POR has reasons of their own to move off of him. Perfect storm - in our favor for a change.

I am fine with Simons is the price is right. I have said that repeatedly. He is a hometown kid and I have liked him since his draft. He has warts and is 7 years into his NBA campaign. What we see is what we get and that is a better than Cole, but he has issues with effort, consistency, and pressure. I give Mose the benefit of the doubt if he thinks he can fix those things this late into a player's career and it doesn't break the bank, go for it.

[ibraheim718]

I just really very much want to see like 10 consecutive games of...

STARTERS: Suggs/KCP/Franz/Paolo/Goga
BENCH: Black/TDS/Isaac/Carter

as a 9-man rotation.

I really think that group could kick some ass.

yesss

[cedric76]

I just really very much want to see like 10 consecutive games of...

STARTERS: Suggs/KCP/Franz/Paolo/Goga
BENCH: Black/TDS/Isaac/Carter

as a 9-man rotation.

I really think that group could kick some ass.

yesss

STARTERS: Suggs/KCP/Franz/Paolo/Goga
BENCH: Black/Jett/TDS/Isaac/Carter

Cheerleader: Cole

[Residual-Heat]

I feel like we need a big on the bench now that Moe is out for the season. WCJ and JI are still injury prone. In order for that to happen do we need to cut anyone? Who would that be? Kings just waived Orlando Robinson. I think he'd be a good pick up.

[RichCollab]

I feel like we need a big on the bench now that Moe is out for the season. WCJ and JI are still injury prone. In order for that to happen do we need to cut anyone? Who would that be? Kings just waived Orlando Robinson. I think he'd be a good pick up.

Can we sign him to a two-way?

[pepe1991]

I'm way more engaged into situation with Bucks, Heat, Knicks, Pacers, Bulls, Hawks than Magic, knowing they won't do anything, and decision of others will impact them.

[Residual-Heat]

I feel like we need a big on the bench now that Moe is out for the season. WCJ and JI are still injury prone. In order for that to happen do we need to cut anyone? Who would that be? Kings just waived Orlando Robinson. I think he'd be a good pick up.

Can we sign him to a two-way?

not sure

[Residual-Heat]

Schorder has been ass since getting traded to the Warriors.

[drsd]

I feel like we need a big on the bench now that Moe is out for the season. WCJ and JI are still injury prone. In order for that to happen do we need to cut anyone? Who would that be? Kings just waived Orlando Robinson. I think he'd be a good pick up.

Can we sign him to a two-way?

not sure

He is eligible for a 2W contract.

[JBSouthpaw]

Can we sign him to a two-way?

not sure

He is eligible for a 2W contract.

I would endorse this too.

[RookieStar]

Schorder has been ass since getting traded to the Warriors.

Imagine getting him like so many here wanted to...

[Skybox]

Schorder has been ass since getting traded to the Warriors.

Imagine getting him like so many here wanted to...

Playing next to AB or KCP or Suggs might look a little different than playing next to Steph

[RookieStar]

Schorder has been ass since getting traded to the Warriors.

Imagine getting him like so many here wanted to...

Playing next to AB or KCP or Suggs might look a little different than playing next to Steph

You mean he would suck more? Especially seeing as our guys dont have Stephs gravity in the pwrimeter?

[Skybox]

Imagine getting him like so many here wanted to...

Playing next to AB or KCP or Suggs might look a little different than playing next to Steph

You mean he would suck more? Especially seeing as our guys dont have Stephs gravity in the pwrimeter?

Franz and Paolo create a whole different kind of inside gravity that would benefit a guy who is nowhere near Steph's talent, but plays the same way (on the perimeter). The conceptual role is just a bit different.

[Residual-Heat]

Can we sign him to a two-way?

not sure

He is eligible for a 2W contract.

but is he willing to sign a two way contract or will someone offer him a regular contract. Can we even sign any more two-way contract players? Wouldnt we have to cut someone? If so, probably would have to be McClung unfortunately.

[RichCollab]

not sure

He is eligible for a 2W contract.

but is he willing to sign a two way contract or will someone offer him a regular contract. Can we even sign any more two-way contract players? Wouldnt we have to cut someone? If so, probably would have to be McClung unfortunately.

The only spot currently open is the 3rd two-way.

I’m fine waiving a standard contract if needed too.