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Post#2121 » by Residual-Heat » Wed Jan 8, 2025 11:40 pm

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He is eligible for a 2W contract.

but is he willing to sign a two way contract or will someone offer him a regular contract. Can we even sign any more two-way contract players? Wouldnt we have to cut someone? If so, probably would have to be McClung unfortunately.


The only spot currently open is the 3rd two-way.

I’m fine waiving a standard contract if needed too.

Caleb?
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Post#2122 » by KillMonger » Thu Jan 9, 2025 5:10 am

The big move I think will be made this off season, but I think a smaller move to help consolidate things will help. Like exploring what we can do with Cole, and especially Gary Harris... Sorry Cole but these recent performances aren't fooling me

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Post#2123 » by GelbeWand09 » Thu Jan 9, 2025 7:03 am

Residual-Heat wrote:Schorder has been ass since getting traded to the Warriors.


No surprise. Guy is a career negative impact player. 20 games playing solid basketball for one of the best shooting teams in the leaque who could hide his weaknesses much better than we can, didn't fool me.
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Post#2124 » by GelbeWand09 » Thu Jan 9, 2025 7:07 am

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Playing next to AB or KCP or Suggs might look a little different than playing next to Steph


You mean he would suck more? Especially seeing as our guys dont have Stephs gravity in the pwrimeter?


Franz and Paolo create a whole different kind of inside gravity that would benefit a guy who is nowhere near Steph's talent, but plays the same way (on the perimeter). The conceptual role is just a bit different.


Schröder doesn't need inside gravity because he can't shoot. He needs outside gravity like he had in Brooklyn because driving is the only thing he is good at. We have no outside gravity. And he needs the ball in his hands which won't happen in Golden State nor here when we are healthy.
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Re: Official 2024-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#2125 » by pepe1991 » Thu Jan 9, 2025 8:12 am

GelbeWand09 wrote:
Residual-Heat wrote:Schorder has been ass since getting traded to the Warriors.


No surprise. Guy is a career negative impact player. 20 games playing solid basketball for one of the best shooting teams in the leaque who could hide his weaknesses much better than we can, didn't fool me.




Warriors actually have offensive problem, and that is strange given they have Curry. They are just 19# offense. Kuminga before injury and Wiggins failed to step up in Klay's shoes.
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Re: Official 2024-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#2126 » by RookieStar » Thu Jan 9, 2025 9:01 am

Residual-Heat wrote:
RichCollab wrote:
Residual-Heat wrote:but is he willing to sign a two way contract or will someone offer him a regular contract. Can we even sign any more two-way contract players? Wouldnt we have to cut someone? If so, probably would have to be McClung unfortunately.


The only spot currently open is the 3rd two-way.

I’m fine waiving a standard contract if needed too.

Caleb?


Caleb and Gary are our dead weights right now so yeah...
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Post#2127 » by drsd » Thu Jan 9, 2025 9:55 am

Residual-Heat wrote:
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Residual-Heat wrote:not sure


He is eligible for a 2W contract.

but is he willing to sign a two way contract or will someone offer him a regular contract. Can we even sign any more two-way contract players? Wouldnt we have to cut someone? If so, probably would have to be McClung unfortunately.


I had this text in my first draft, as I agree that he will be looking for a vet-min full contract. That said, to sign Orlando Robinson, all the Magic need to do is waive Caleb Houstan.

I would think the Magic stars would understand this move, and it would help the team's balance.
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Re: Official 2024-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#2128 » by drsd » Thu Jan 9, 2025 9:55 am

RookieStar wrote:
Residual-Heat wrote:
RichCollab wrote:
The only spot currently open is the 3rd two-way.

I’m fine waiving a standard contract if needed too.

Caleb?


Caleb and Gary are our dead weights right now so yeah...


Orlando is not going to waive Harris.
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Post#2129 » by rcklsscognition » Thu Jan 9, 2025 5:43 pm

B/R article on a trade that makes sense:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10150025-a-3-team-bradley-beal-jimmy-butler-trade-that-actually-makes-sense

Magic get Beal for JI, KCP, and a future 2nd
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Post#2130 » by basketballRob » Thu Jan 9, 2025 5:54 pm

rcklsscognition wrote:B/R article on a trade that makes sense:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10150025-a-3-team-bradley-beal-jimmy-butler-trade-that-actually-makes-sense

Magic get Beal for JI, KCP, and a future 2nd
I like KCP more than Beal.

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Post#2131 » by Skybox » Thu Jan 9, 2025 5:59 pm

basketballRob wrote:
rcklsscognition wrote:B/R article on a trade that makes sense:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10150025-a-3-team-bradley-beal-jimmy-butler-trade-that-actually-makes-sense

Magic get Beal for JI, KCP, and a future 2nd
I like KCP more than Beal.

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Nothing around Beal to ORL makes sense...nothing. All of the guys we stretch our minds to try to rationalize (Lavine, Fox) are 100% better bets than Beal's INSANE contract. 2 years after this for over $110million :o , with a no-trade clause. He was never in his career worth that much and he's now much older and injury-riddled. Just NO.

Simons, Sexton, Monk, etc are literally better than him now and better fits for us...at a fraction of the price.
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Post#2132 » by Viper1500 » Thu Jan 9, 2025 6:13 pm

I would have done a similar trade for Beal two years ago. But he is a bad starter and an overpaid back up at this point.
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Re: Official 2024-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#2133 » by RichCollab » Thu Jan 9, 2025 6:48 pm

Skybox wrote:
basketballRob wrote:
rcklsscognition wrote:B/R article on a trade that makes sense:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10150025-a-3-team-bradley-beal-jimmy-butler-trade-that-actually-makes-sense

Magic get Beal for JI, KCP, and a future 2nd
I like KCP more than Beal.

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Nothing around Beal to ORL makes sense...nothing. All of the guys we stretch our minds to try to rationalize (Lavine, Fox) are 100% better bets than Beal's INSANE contract. 2 years after this for over $110million :o , with a no-trade clause. He was never in his career worth that much and he's now much older and injury-riddled. Just NO.

Simons, Sexton, Monk, etc are literally better than him now and better fits for us...at a fraction of the price.


Beal is more toxic than LaVine.
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Post#2134 » by Skybox » Thu Jan 9, 2025 7:13 pm

DET is one of the few teams that still has significant cap space to utilize. I don't consider this a "big play" for ORL, but it might be a very fancy band-aid to strengthen our rotation and depth heading into a playoff run...
Something sexier might develop as DET is feeling frisky about not being in "rebuild" mode anymore, but I still think they've got another year of asset accumulation before the big "sorting"....ORL, on the other hand, could really use some short-term depth - particularly a big, versatile body and 3pt shooting - preferably without long-term financial commitment that might hinder a bigger move for a backcourt scorer/playmaker in the summer. Cole is up and down but he's capable of very big moments and still very young...he could fill the Ivey gap and having an oversized playmaker in Cade helps. Jett is a sweet shooter who is starting to find his footing but hasn't really been able to get consistent minutes - also a UM product and only 21yo...pick will likely land in the 20's but is significant return for two expiring marginal guys (even if one is having a surprising year), consider that it also compensates for one more year of Cole's deal - if he doesn't stick in DET's rotation.

ORL sends: Cole Anthony, Jett Howard, DEN 25 frp
DET sends: Malik Beasley, Paul Reed

I like the two players for ORL, but I also value getting off of Cole's salary going forward and having significantly enhanced flexibility to make a move that takes us into serious contention this summer. Beasley is having an INSANE year of shooting 3's off the bench, on a one-year $6m deal and Reed is just one of those guys that always contributes in various ways and could help shore up our injured bigs. I know that there is a "fear" of Jett succeeding elsewhere, but Beasley is still only 28 and is doing what we hope & pray that Jett might do someday. Keeping him beyond this year wouldn't be out of the question. * I didn't realize Paul Reed is from Apopka.
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Post#2135 » by drsd » Thu Jan 9, 2025 7:20 pm

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ORL sends: Cole Anthony, Jett Howard, DEN 25 frp
DET sends: Malik Beasley, Paul Reed

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I love, love, love this trade for Orlando. It nearly guarantees a top-4 seed, and the Magic should dominate round-1 and be a real threat to make the ECFs.

Suggs/Black/Joseph
Caldwell-Pope/Beasley/Harris
F-Wagner/da Silva/Houstan
Banchero/Isaac/Reed
Bitadze/Carter (Reed and Isaac as the 3rd-stringer Cs)
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Post#2136 » by Skybox » Thu Jan 9, 2025 7:28 pm

drsd wrote:
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ORL sends: Cole Anthony, Jett Howard, DEN 25 frp
DET sends: Malik Beasley, Paul Reed

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I love, love, love this trade for Orlando. It nearly guarantees a top-4 seed, and the Magic should dominate round-1 and be a real threat to make the ECFs.

Suggs/Black/Joseph
Caldwell-Pope/Beasley/Harris
F-Wagner/da Silva/Houstan
Banchero/Isaac/Reed
Bitadze/Carter (Reed and Isaac as the 3rd-stringer Cs)


the mindset started with unloading Cole's deal with DET's cap...but I really like the result. Reed is one of those guys that might never play a minute (if we're healthy), but I wouldn't hesitate to throw him in there in important moments. Beasley is this year's Grayson Allen...both are WAY underpaid and could be challenges to re-sign (if we want to) but that's a secondary concern. Big question is whether DET FO is willing to undermine their recent success for longer-term benefit. Hard to sell that to fans who feel like they are farther along the growth curve than I do.
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Post#2137 » by Residual-Heat » Thu Jan 9, 2025 7:33 pm

Detroit isnt moving Beasley for a 1st. They want to make the play offs this season.

The Warriors though may be more willing to move Hield. He may be getting sick of Draymond, and the Warriors may be looking to make a big move to save their season and give Curry a chance to compete in his final years. Maybe the Magic can be involved in that trade where they send assets to another team for Buddy. 3 more years left on his contract after this one and he's not young, so I wouldnt give up a lot, but he could be a decent addition.
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Post#2138 » by Bensational » Thu Jan 9, 2025 7:33 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
GelbeWand09 wrote:
Residual-Heat wrote:Schorder has been ass since getting traded to the Warriors.


No surprise. Guy is a career negative impact player. 20 games playing solid basketball for one of the best shooting teams in the leaque who could hide his weaknesses much better than we can, didn't fool me.




Warriors actually have offensive problem, and that is strange given they have Curry. They are just 19# offense. Kuminga before injury and Wiggins failed to step up in Klay's shoes.


Warriors really botched their high draft picks. Wiseman over Haliburton or LaMelo, Kuminga over Franz, Moody over Sengun. They could have been:

(Sengun)
Draymond
(Franz)/Wiggins
(Haliburton)/Klay
Curry/Podz

Hindsight is 2020, but man, the rich could've been phenomenally richer right there. Still, they managed to win another championship in that timeframe so I doubt they're too upset.
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Post#2139 » by Skybox » Thu Jan 9, 2025 8:39 pm

Bensational wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
GelbeWand09 wrote:
No surprise. Guy is a career negative impact player. 20 games playing solid basketball for one of the best shooting teams in the leaque who could hide his weaknesses much better than we can, didn't fool me.




Warriors actually have offensive problem, and that is strange given they have Curry. They are just 19# offense. Kuminga before injury and Wiggins failed to step up in Klay's shoes.


Warriors really botched their high draft picks. Wiseman over Haliburton or LaMelo, Kuminga over Franz, Moody over Sengun. They could have been:

(Sengun)
Draymond
(Franz)/Wiggins
(Haliburton)/Klay
Curry/Podz

Hindsight is 2020, but man, the rich could've been phenomenally richer right there. Still, they managed to win another championship in that timeframe so I doubt they're too upset.


Drafting Curry, Klay, and Draymond still puts them way ahead of most in the big picture...I doubt there's ANY team that can look back without regret under that kind of scrutiny. There's always a guy everyone missed on. Franz is ours, for sure...he's good enough to have been #1 in a given year.
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Re: Official 2024-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#2140 » by BadMofoPimp » Thu Jan 9, 2025 9:07 pm

Skybox wrote:DET is one of the few teams that still has significant cap space to utilize. I don't consider this a "big play" for ORL, but it might be a very fancy band-aid to strengthen our rotation and depth heading into a playoff run...
Something sexier might develop as DET is feeling frisky about not being in "rebuild" mode anymore, but I still think they've got another year of asset accumulation before the big "sorting"....ORL, on the other hand, could really use some short-term depth - particularly a big, versatile body and 3pt shooting - preferably without long-term financial commitment that might hinder a bigger move for a backcourt scorer/playmaker in the summer. Cole is up and down but he's capable of very big moments and still very young...he could fill the Ivey gap and having an oversized playmaker in Cade helps. Jett is a sweet shooter who is starting to find his footing but hasn't really been able to get consistent minutes - also a UM product and only 21yo...pick will likely land in the 20's but is significant return for two expiring marginal guys (even if one is having a surprising year), consider that it also compensates for one more year of Cole's deal - if he doesn't stick in DET's rotation.

ORL sends: Cole Anthony, Jett Howard, DEN 25 frp
DET sends: Malik Beasley, Paul Reed

I like the two players for ORL, but I also value getting off of Cole's salary going forward and having significantly enhanced flexibility to make a move that takes us into serious contention this summer. Beasley is having an INSANE year of shooting 3's off the bench, on a one-year $6m deal and Reed is just one of those guys that always contributes in various ways and could help shore up our injured bigs. I know that there is a "fear" of Jett succeeding elsewhere, but Beasley is still only 28 and is doing what we hope & pray that Jett might do someday. Keeping him beyond this year wouldn't be out of the question. * I didn't realize Paul Reed is from Apopka.


There is absolutely no way in hell the Pistons trade Malik for anything close to that.
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