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Re: Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (Part freakin 

Post#221 » by eyriq » Sat Jan 7, 2012 7:41 am

Bensational wrote:this isn't a 'panic post', based off of one result, but i think what we saw from the team tonight was pretty close to as good as it's going to get. the biggest things we can fix are crashing boards (a Ryno thing), making smarter passes (Jameer/JRich) and making shots (everyone), but even then i'm not sure we're capable of doing it 4 out of 7 games against one of the contenders.

so... i'm ready to scrap this team. do what we can to throw pieces around Dwight that have talent and promise enough to make him stay, and risk him leaving, because the alternative is riding this team into the sunset and then hoping Dwight opts to get back on this tired old horse in the morning. our guys aren't getting any younger (Turk, JRich, Nelson), and i'm not sure our young guys have the potential to do anything spectacular.

i'm not gonna bother suggesting who to go for, but i think Dwight is really seems to be making those final steps to becoming a great player (keeping his cool/passing more/not forcing offence/being a floor leader) , and he deserves a better cast around him. we, the fans, deserve to see that.


I agree. Nelson/JRich/Hedo are at this point solely good role players, and young guys Ryan/JJ have not proven anything but only tantalized. We are looking at two long term options, only one of which our F/O has any control over; freeing up cap space to acquire a star, which means some 'creative financing, or Ryan/JJ developing into solid stars. JJ is a late lottery pick that has a history of being a bench player and Anderson is a 1st rounder with lots of potential getting his first real shot at starting. Both are an outside shot of developing into anything more than a high impact role player, though Anderson is currently putting up star like production. I don't want Otis to be the one to be calling the shots as we move forward.

Edit: of course there is the trade option, which means selling high on some guys and buying low elsewhere. Not sure how realistic that is for us.

Double Edit:

Just a random thought on how we've done in the four factors (4 factors for Offense, and another 4 for defense) relative to the league during the SVG era:

'08 Top 8 in 3/8
'09 Top 8 in 5/8
'10 Top 8 in 5/8
'11 Top 8 in 4/8
'12 Top 8 in 2/8 (not counting tonight's game)

Historical comparison:

'94 Top 8 in 1/8
'95 Top 8 in 5/8
'96 Top 8 in 2/8

Long story short, even last year, which ended in a first round exit to the Hawks (top 8 in 1/8 in case you were wondering), the Magic were an elite team, but clearly on the decline from the previous two years. Now, the trend of decline is continuing, even while Dwight Howard is entering his prime. Still early obviously, but that is the trend line, and I'm interested to see how it continues going forward.
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Re: Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (Part freakin  

Post#222 » by SEBAS-07 » Sat Jan 7, 2012 7:52 pm

Would Milwaukee do this? It will have to be after March 1.

Orlando/Milwaukee

Orlando Trades: Jason Richardson, Ryan Anderson, Daniel Orton OR Earl Clark.

Orlando Receives: Stephen Jackson, Luc Richard Mbah a Moute and John Leuer.

Orlando Lineup

Nelson/Duhon
Stephen Jackson/JJ Redick
Hedo/Mbah a Moute
Glen Davis/Leuer
Howard/ Dampier???

We would get a more balanced roster. Jackson and Mbah a Moute are really good defenders, and Leuer can shoot. Also remember Anderson has a qualifying offer next season, so he will probably get paid.
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Post#223 » by Darth Magic » Sat Jan 7, 2012 8:03 pm

SEBAS-07 wrote:Would Milwaukee do this? It will have to be after March 1.

Orlando/Milwaukee

Orlando Trades: Jason Richardson, Ryan Anderson, Daniel Orton OR Earl Clark.

Orlando Receives: Stephen Jackson, Luc Richard Mbah a Moute and John Leuer.

Orlando Lineup

Nelson/Duhon
Stephen Jackson/JJ Redick
Hedo/Mbah a Moute
Glen Davis/Leuer
Howard/ Dampier???

We would get a more balanced roster. Jackson and Mbah a Moute are really good defenders, and Leuer can shoot. Also remember Anderson has a qualifying offer next season, so he will probably get paid.

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Post#224 » by BN » Sat Jan 7, 2012 8:03 pm

If we were somehow able to land Nash I'd be ecstatic... Dwight really wouldn't have an excuse to leave then...

Plus, even if he does go and we do rebuild, I'd still watch just to see Nash play :)
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Post#225 » by CPBalla2003 n da 863 » Sat Jan 7, 2012 9:24 pm

Steve Nash does not intend to ask the Suns to move him before the trade deadline.

"What does that mean?" Nash said. "Do I go in and say, 'Trade me to a top two or three team?' I think it's lot more difficult than people think.

"One, it's not my style. Maybe I'm old school, but I feel like that's not my place to give up on my team, give up on my teammates. I signed a contract and made a commitment.
"And two, I don't feel it's like choosing a restaurant. It's got to be a situation that works for two teams. And I don't know how simple that is. But before we even get to that part of it, I just feel that I owe it to my teammates to stay committed to them. I feel that I owe it to the fans and the organization to fight."

Nash, 37, will be an unrestricted free agent after this season.



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Re: Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (Part freakin  

Post#226 » by SEBAS-07 » Sun Jan 8, 2012 1:56 am

Would the Knicks have some interest on Chris Duhon? he could start for them till Baron Davis gets healthy.
Smart / Micic / D. Wright
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Post#227 » by thelead » Sun Jan 8, 2012 2:17 am

SEBAS-07 wrote:Would the Knicks have some interest on Chris Duhon? he could start for them till Baron Davis gets healthy.


what do you want from the knicks????????
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Post#228 » by NickAnderson » Sun Jan 8, 2012 4:22 am

Pinger at it again..


Local 6 Sports Director David Pingalore has learned that Orlando Magic center Dwight Howard may be rethinking his trade request. In December, Howard told the Magic he would want to be traded to either the New Jersey Nets, Dallas Mavericks or Los Angeles Lakers. Multiple NBA sources confirmed to Pingalore that Howard has been heavily recruiting New Jersey Nets point guard Deron Williams to play with him in Orlando. Pingalore has also learned the Magic are trying to trade for Williams. Pingalore's sources confirmed that Howard would rather stay in Orlando, and the sources said that it's an "80 percent" chance Howard stays.
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Post#229 » by MagicFan41 » Sun Jan 8, 2012 8:38 am

Love, 23, also touched on the possibility of the Wolves offering a maximum contract that would pay him as much as $80 million over five years.

“I don't know,” he said. “I don't know the answer to that at this point. It's all in my agent's (Jeff Schwartz) hands. People can speculate and say what they want, but I will just go out there, play basketball, and help this team win.”



Honestly? "It's all in my agent's hands"? He REPRESENTS you, he doesn't own you. I am hearing this more and more from athletes these days. Seems like their agents tell them where to go/what to do. They are supposed to basically get you the best deal they can, advise you, and that's about it. Aren't these grown-ass men who are old enough to make their OWN decisions on where they want to play? Come on....
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Post#230 » by Ronito » Sun Jan 8, 2012 8:50 am

And the agents drive the players to the bright lights. It's all about teaming up with your best friends and/or playing in a big market.

As a Nets fan, makes me appreciate the Swamp days even more.
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Post#231 » by cb1115 » Sun Jan 8, 2012 3:41 pm

http://truebluenation.com/forum/index.php?/topic/22673-the-official-dwight-howard-everything-thread/page__st__864

So Dwight wants to stay, but doesn't think the organization is committed to winning. DAMN IT ALL.

Dwight also wants Stan fired, apparently.
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Post#232 » by BelgianMagic » Sun Jan 8, 2012 3:53 pm

I wouldn't call an organisation who has Otis Smith as GM committed to winning either .. Meaning: FIRE OTIS !!

And tell SVG to make some adjustments cause he & Otis are really starting to be Mr & Mrs Stubborn ..
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Post#233 » by WeAreVenom » Sun Jan 8, 2012 4:40 pm

cb1115 wrote:http://truebluenation.com/forum/index.php?/topic/22673-the-official-dwight-howard-everything-thread/page__st__864

So Dwight wants to stay, but doesn't think the organization is committed to winning. DAMN IT ALL.

Dwight also wants Stan fired, apparently.


Man, did anyone read those DM's they are talking about in there?
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Post#234 » by arsenal6106 » Sun Jan 8, 2012 5:56 pm

WeAreVenom wrote:
cb1115 wrote:http://truebluenation.com/forum/index.php?/topic/22673-the-official-dwight-howard-everything-thread/page__st__864

So Dwight wants to stay, but doesn't think the organization is committed to winning. DAMN IT ALL.

Dwight also wants Stan fired, apparently.


Man, did anyone read those DM's they are talking about in there?



I was like 10 mins too late for that link. I hope someone saved the image...
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Post#235 » by WeAreVenom » Sun Jan 8, 2012 5:59 pm

arsenal6106 wrote:
WeAreVenom wrote:
cb1115 wrote:http://truebluenation.com/forum/index.php?/topic/22673-the-official-dwight-howard-everything-thread/page__st__864

So Dwight wants to stay, but doesn't think the organization is committed to winning. DAMN IT ALL.

Dwight also wants Stan fired, apparently.


Man, did anyone read those DM's they are talking about in there?



I was like 10 mins too late for that link. I hope someone saved the image...


Me too, man.

Whatever it was, it got some of them really riled up.
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Post#236 » by MitchellUK » Sun Jan 8, 2012 6:23 pm

Didn't see them, but the guy who posted them did say that they were from during the lockout. Things have, publicly (and hopefully genuinely) changed since then. It's always possible that all of that was simply spin to present a positive front, but who knows for sure?

Should also say, part of me seriously doubts the legitimacy of any DMs he posted anyway - would Dwight really reveal stuff of a sensitive nature to someone he didn't know? And if he does know and trust that person, would they reveal such private conversations to the public and risk said relationship?
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Post#237 » by kman1023 » Sun Jan 8, 2012 6:26 pm

What's DM?
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Post#238 » by MitchellUK » Sun Jan 8, 2012 6:34 pm

kman1023 wrote:What's DM?


Direct message. Whoever that poster is claims to have texts and direct messages from Dwight talking about why he wants to leave, and posted a screen grab.
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Post#239 » by ADRajX » Sun Jan 8, 2012 6:45 pm

I saved the image (crossed out the guy's number)... here it is

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... In fairness though... the time frame of this was around early Dec., when all this confusion and trade demand(s) occurred, and before all the team changes occurred.... nothing really new... Dwight was admittedly frustrated.. things could have changed... also this is a short sample of what he posted, apparently he has more.
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Post#240 » by MitchellUK » Sun Jan 8, 2012 6:48 pm

DJRajX wrote:
I saved the image (crossed out the guy's number)... here it is



... In fairness though... the time frame of his this was around early Dec., when all this confusion and trade demand(s) occurred.


Is that seriously it? Was there anything else?

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