2012 Orland Magic NBA draft thread ...

[Nemesis21]

How do people still not see the reason we lose is because we have ZERO backcourt/wing play? At what point are we ever going to adress that? This is the lowest down in the draft we have been in a very long time and we want to waste both picks on MORE mid-sized bigs?

I see it, we need an upgrade at PG and SF. I'd like to get Teague or Taylor or Harkless.

[blue and white]

if were gonna trade up, which i dont see us doing, i want to see us trade up for jeremy lamb or rivers. ive seen some mock drafts where they had lamb going to minny right before our pick which sounds high but if he falls around 13 or up id try to move up for him

[Neon1]

if were gonna trade up, which i dont see us doing, i want to see us trade up for jeremy lamb or rivers. ive seen some mock drafts where they had lamb going to minny right before our pick which sounds high but if he falls around 13 or up id try to move up for him

I'd love to get Rivers. I know many people will not agree, or see what im talking about with what im about to say but, To me the kids future lies at the PG position.

No not the "traditional style" PG, but more of the Russell Westbrook/Derrick Rose mold. I personally cannot see him becoming a star at the SG spot. He needs the ball in his hands constantly and his body does not look like he can really get much stronger. He will always be at a physical disadvantage in the pro's.

He has Star or Bust potential due to his attitude needing an adjustment, He needs to be humbled slightly (without him losing his edge).

It will take coaching/constant nuturing as he is not NBA ready today imo. But he needs to play right away and learn on the joib as Westbrook needed too. He can develop into a top level player at the PG position in the league IMO. He needs to learn lots of disipline about how he closes out on defense.

He has the ability to ISO break down the defense and get into the paint to make the defense collapse to create baskets for himself and others like no other (Marshall is not much of a threat to score when he gets in) PG in this class can.He can create things. Watch below.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPI1ExH32Hg[/youtube]

[magicman123]

where are you looking to draft him?

Holloway? If so, i'd look for a trade up in the 2nd round (kinda like we did for Harper last year), Or if you think he will fall to your #49th you sit and wait. If teams are more fixiated on his "Head Height" and Post Brawl comments, instead of his actual game, he could very possibly fall to you there. I don't believe there will not be a player remotely comparable to his caliber in the mid/late 2nd round. Teams slept on I.Thomas (Kings) over the same stupid things.

If you don't go PG (Rivers*/Taylor/Teague) with your first rounder, you do everything in your power to secure Holloway with your 2nd.

true, i haven't scouted a lot of prospects yet so ill trust your judgement

[Truth24]

How do people still not see the reason we lose is because we have ZERO backcourt/wing play? At what point are we ever going to adress that? This is the lowest down in the draft we have been in a very long time and we want to waste both picks on MORE mid-sized bigs?

I agree completely we need a new energy at the three problem were we draft is that there really might not be anyone there. I mean we may have a shot at Terrence Ross, Quincy Miller, Moe Harkless (project), and Terrence Jones (tweener). Those really might be the only wings we have a shot at that could contribute to the team.

[arkknight1988]

How do people still not see the reason we lose is because we have ZERO backcourt/wing play? At what point are we ever going to adress that? This is the lowest down in the draft we have been in a very long time and we want to waste both picks on MORE mid-sized bigs?

I agree completely we need a new energy at the three problem were we draft is that there really might not be anyone there. I mean we may have a shot at Terrence Ross, Quincy Miller, Moe Harkless (project), and Terrence Jones (tweener). Those really might be the only wings we have a shot at that could contribute to the team.

we could use terrence ross on the wing.

[Def Swami]

We'd get pretty lucky if John Henson fell to us at 19. One mock has him coming to us. I'd be ecstatic with that pick. If not Henson, then Teague would give us a decent back up point guard.

I don't really like anything in the late 2nd round. I doubt any of those guys make a huge impact or even the team.

[arkknight1988]

We'd get pretty lucky if John Henson fell to us at 19. One mock has him coming to us. I'd be ecstatic with that pick. If not Henson, then Teague would give us a decent back up point guard.

I don't really like anything in the late 2nd round. I doubt any of those guys make a huge impact or even the team.

terrence ross or john henson we need athletes!

[Def Swami]

We'd get pretty lucky if John Henson fell to us at 19. One mock has him coming to us. I'd be ecstatic with that pick. If not Henson, then Teague would give us a decent back up point guard.

I don't really like anything in the late 2nd round. I doubt any of those guys make a huge impact or even the team.

terrence ross or john henson we need athletes!

Yep, I haven't really looked at the draft positions til now. Just learned we have the 19th pick actually which is better than I thought we'd do lol.

I think in this draft, it wouldn't be so bad to follow the "best player available" model. Outside of Kendall Marshall, I'm not too impressed by the point guards in this class. Wroten is good, but I think he should have stayed another year. He's definitely athletic and has crazy handle, but he can't shoot. And his court vision isn't terrible, but it's not great either.

Around our spot, I like Henson and Harkless. I think some team will snag Henson before us. He's too good, too much length for a team to pass on him. But if he does fall to us, I don't care that we got 4 PF's. Henson knows how to play great help D and can score on the block and hit the mid-range shot. I'd take my chances on him and make one of BBD or Ryan expendable.

I think the guy we go with is Harkless. We need a lot of help at SF, and Harkless can flat out ball. He knows how to use his athleticism to his advantage. He gets to the rack, he has a 7'2" wingspan, he defends extremely well, and he hustles. I'd start him over Hedo yesterday.

[Cammo101]

No chance Henson falls to #19. None whatsoever.

[Truth24]

No chance Henson falls to #19. None whatsoever.

Yeah Henson is not going to last, I mean there might be a chance but it is not very likely that he is around at 19.

Truly the three guys that I think we have the best shot at and would be great additions to this team are Moe Harkless, Terrence Jones, and Quincy Miller. Each one of them brings something to the table that we are missing at the three spot. Moe is a slasher who plays great defense, Jones is that hard slasher who can rebound, and Miller is just an overall smooth player with great potential. I believe if we are able to grab one of these guys, than we have had a successful draft.

The only point guard in the draft that I like is Kendall Marshall and I'm not so sure if he will last to 19, but if he did than this would also be a great pick up.

[Def Swami]

No chance Henson falls to #19. None whatsoever.

Yeah Henson is not going to last, I mean there might be a chance but it is not very likely that he is around at 19.

Truly the three guys that I think we have the best shot at and would be great additions to this team are Moe Harkless, Terrence Jones, and Quincy Miller. Each one of them brings something to the table that we are missing at the three spot. Moe is a slasher who plays great defense, Jones is that hard slasher who can rebound, and Miller is just an overall smooth player with great potential. I believe if we are able to grab one of these guys, than we have had a successful draft.

The only point guard in the draft that I like is Kendall Marshall and I'm not so sure if he will last to 19, but if he did than this would also be a great pick up.

I'd move up if we could to get Marshall. Don't think it'll happen, but if I were the Magic I'd try really hard. He could start tomorrow and instantly improve the offense.

Only beef I got with Miller is his height. I was a huge QMiller fan this past year, but I don't know if he'll be as successful at 6'6" in the NBA. Perhaps he could be a good spark plug off the bench for a lot of teams. I've never been a fan of the undersized front court players.

[arkknight1988]

not a fan of Qmiller. Terrance ross is my number 1 choice if we go with a wing player. guy can fly and shoot.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZEiz90oLB4[/youtube]

[Truth24]

No chance Henson falls to #19. None whatsoever.

Yeah Henson is not going to last, I mean there might be a chance but it is not very likely that he is around at 19.

Truly the three guys that I think we have the best shot at and would be great additions to this team are Moe Harkless, Terrence Jones, and Quincy Miller. Each one of them brings something to the table that we are missing at the three spot. Moe is a slasher who plays great defense, Jones is that hard slasher who can rebound, and Miller is just an overall smooth player with great potential. I believe if we are able to grab one of these guys, than we have had a successful draft.

The only point guard in the draft that I like is Kendall Marshall and I'm not so sure if he will last to 19, but if he did than this would also be a great pick up.

I'd move up if we could to get Marshall. Don't think it'll happen, but if I were the Magic I'd try really hard. He could start tomorrow and instantly improve the offense.

Only beef I got with Miller is his height. I was a huge QMiller fan this past year, but I don't know if he'll be as successful at 6'6" in the NBA. Perhaps he could be a good spark plug off the bench for a lot of teams. I've never been a fan of the undersized front court players.

Quincy is 6'9 which isn't to bad for a three.

[Def Swami]

Yeah Henson is not going to last, I mean there might be a chance but it is not very likely that he is around at 19.

Truly the three guys that I think we have the best shot at and would be great additions to this team are Moe Harkless, Terrence Jones, and Quincy Miller. Each one of them brings something to the table that we are missing at the three spot. Moe is a slasher who plays great defense, Jones is that hard slasher who can rebound, and Miller is just an overall smooth player with great potential. I believe if we are able to grab one of these guys, than we have had a successful draft.

The only point guard in the draft that I like is Kendall Marshall and I'm not so sure if he will last to 19, but if he did than this would also be a great pick up.

I'd move up if we could to get Marshall. Don't think it'll happen, but if I were the Magic I'd try really hard. He could start tomorrow and instantly improve the offense.

Only beef I got with Miller is his height. I was a huge QMiller fan this past year, but I don't know if he'll be as successful at 6'6" in the NBA. Perhaps he could be a good spark plug off the bench for a lot of teams. I've never been a fan of the undersized front court players.

Quincy is 6'9 which isn't to bad for a three.

Wow I completely confused him for Quincy Acy

Yuh, I agree Miller is definitely legit. Didn't know he declared. Yeah, he's got a lot of potential. Long, athletic wing player. He'd also fit our bill.

[Truth24]

Ah I see well Quincy Acy wouldn't be a bad pick up in the second round, he was without a doubt the heart of Baylor last year. The guy works hard for boards and has some really good hops but yeah like you said he is a undersized four.

Hopefully picking at 19 this year will give us a chance at one of this athletic wings and lets just hope that someone special falls to us.

[The1llness]

Biggest need right now is a PG. Jameer is one of the 3 worst starting PG's in the league and this team is in desperate need of a player who can consistently take his man off the dribble.

If the Magic find a guy who can break down a defense it will give Dwight a lot more opportunities for alley oops and put-backs.

My number one choice is Wroten. Unfortunately I think that a team will grab him before 19 based on his size and skill set despite the fact that he's been mocking in the late teens, early 20's. Teague would be my 2nd choice.

[WeAreVenom]

Biggest need right now is a PG. Jameer is one of the 3 worst starting PG's in the league and this team is in desperate need of a player who can consistently take his man off the dribble.

If the Magic find a guy who can break down a defense it will give Dwight a lot more opportunities for alley oops and put-backs.

My number one choice is Wroten. Unfortunately I think that a team will grab him before 19 based on his size and skill set despite the fact that he's been mocking in the late teens, early 20's. Teague would be my 2nd choice.

That might be an exaggeration......

But it is time to move in a different direction as far as PG's go....

[The1llness]

Biggest need right now is a PG. Jameer is one of the 3 worst starting PG's in the league and this team is in desperate need of a player who can consistently take his man off the dribble.

If the Magic find a guy who can break down a defense it will give Dwight a lot more opportunities for alley oops and put-backs.

My number one choice is Wroten. Unfortunately I think that a team will grab him before 19 based on his size and skill set despite the fact that he's been mocking in the late teens, early 20's. Teague would be my 2nd choice.

That might be an exaggeration......

But it is time to move in a different direction as far as PG's go....

Its not an exaggeration at all, the only two PG's who got regular burn I consider to be worse are DJ Augustine and Raymond Felton.

[blue and white]

^^ its true meer has spurts where he looks really good but for a veteran like him hes really inconsistent and usually more average then he is good, look at these playoffs hes had 1 good game and the rest hes dissapeared. pg and sf are our major weaknesses