Official Spec Thread: I guess now's the time to blow this dumpster fire up and bask in the glow!

Post #221 » by **Knightro** » Sat Mar 27, 2021 3:02 pm

basketballRob wrote:Carter wants to be a power forward. Chicago really had no other option at center. Some of the fans say he always seemed unhappy with playing that position. If he gets his opportunity here, it may rejuvenate him. He looked like he was well on his way to becoming a 20 10 guy right after he was drafted, then he regressed.

How about a front line of Bamba 7'10" Carter 7'5" Isaac 7'6" wingspans

https://pippenainteasy.com/2020/04/02/chicago-bulls-wendell-carter-jr-openly-requests-position-change-power-forward/

That is all well and good, but the problem is he can't play PF. He just doesn't have the skill set for it.

GelbeWand09 · Post #222 » by **GelbeWand09** » Sat Mar 27, 2021 3:02 pm

The interviews of our new guys are up. btw why are all these interviews the last days in 360p, its like watching a press conference from 2000. :lol:

Watch on YouTube

Skybox · Post #223 » by **Skybox** » Sat Mar 27, 2021 3:04 pm

Magicfanatic82 wrote:
basketballRob wrote:Carter wants to be a power forward. Chicago really had no other option at center. Some of the fans say he always seemed unhappy with playing that position. If he gets his opportunity here, it may rejuvenate him. He looked like he was well on his way to becoming a 20 10 guy right after he was drafted, then he regressed.

How about a front line of Bamba 7'10" Carter 7'5" Isaac 7'6" wingspans

https://pippenainteasy.com/2020/04/02/chicago-bulls-wendell-carter-jr-openly-requests-position-change-power-forward/

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Chicago had a pretty soft pf next to him. We have okeke birch and next year Isaac. Position wont matter so much as being able to switch/help and work as a group. Isaac will create havoc for carter/bamba/chuma and the others to feed off of.

That could really work if Bamba would just show something in the next few weeks. Okeke is clearly an important piece, but seems so versatile that he could bounce around position-wise. Defensively, Isaac can play anywhere but, unless WCJ develops some floor-spacing, we're back to where we were with AG/Isaac pairing. WCJ's not quite lightning foot speed might keep him at Center (and even be a problem there)...Hopefully, THIS is the "Evaluation Season" that WeHam claimed several years ago...figure out what we've got, possible fits, start developing a vision for all of these pieces and move decisively to build a TEAM, not just a toybox full of mismatched castoffs with individual upside.

EAS Law · Post #224 » by **EAS Law** » Sat Mar 27, 2021 3:15 pm

What does everyone keep missing about the obvious statements from the FO and coaches that Bamba is straight up lazy and thus has not been given playing time? Does anyone actually think that our FO and coaching staff willingly sit him out of games when he could be dominating or excelling and helping the team win? Again—it’s novelty and unknown commodities that keep us “hopeful” that “today’s the day Bamba gets unleashed.”

basketballRob · Post #225 » by **basketballRob** » Sat Mar 27, 2021 3:26 pm

fendilim wrote:
basketballRob wrote:
fendilim wrote:Carter at PF? He seems slow to guard small ball 4s.
He would dominate a small ball 4 in the paint.

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Defensively he’ll be bad

Aldridge and Gasol did it for years, not sure why we could experiment with it. Carter says in the interview that he can defend the position.

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basketballRob · Post #226 » by **basketballRob** » Sat Mar 27, 2021 3:31 pm

EAS Law wrote:What does everyone keep missing about the obvious statements from the FO and coaches that Bamba is straight up lazy and thus has not been given playing time? Does anyone actually think that our FO and coaching staff willingly sit him out of games when he could be dominating or excelling and helping the team win? Again—it’s novelty and unknown commodities that keep us “hopeful” that “today’s the day Bamba gets unleashed.”

Well let's see how it goes. I'm sure he'll get his chance over the next 1.5 years to either fail or succeed. Young people go thru stages and he'll grow out of it or he won't. Last night he hustled the entire game.

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Blue_and_Whte · Post #227 » by **Blue_and_Whte** » Sat Mar 27, 2021 3:47 pm

basketballRob wrote:
Blue_and_Whte wrote:
basketballRob wrote:Wendell with a nice tweet to Bulls fans. He's a pretty bright guy and I think I remember him having an Ivy league scholarship.

Read on Twitter
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basketballRob wrote:At the end of the day he may end up being a better center than Bamba, but I'd like to see them battle out this year and next.

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You can’t make this stuff up...
Bamba has waited years for a bigger opportunity, might as well give him a chance.

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That’s not what I’m talking about... but yes Bamba should get PT.

Nyce_1 · Post #228 » by **Nyce_1** » Sat Mar 27, 2021 3:48 pm

I just watched Weltman's conference. I respect his honesty, point of view on the timing of these trades, and genuine excitement to truly rebuild. Reading between the lines, it seems like he wanted to rebuild from the jump but may have had directive to give this group a chance. Regardless, I feel comfortable with him (them) overseeing this new rebuild.

Nyce_1 · Post #229 » by **Nyce_1** » Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:00 pm

I keep trying to make projected lineups, but it's so hard. We have a lot of pieces that will deserve playing time and development opportunity.

Fultz/Anthony/MCW
Harris/Ross/Hampton
Okeke/Bacon*
Isaac/WC/OP*
Birch*/Bamba

...plus 2 2021 1st round picks. Damn, we are really, really young.

*if brought back

basketballRob · Post #230 » by **basketballRob** » Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:11 pm

Skybox wrote:
Magicfanatic82 wrote:
basketballRob wrote:Carter wants to be a power forward. Chicago really had no other option at center. Some of the fans say he always seemed unhappy with playing that position. If he gets his opportunity here, it may rejuvenate him. He looked like he was well on his way to becoming a 20 10 guy right after he was drafted, then he regressed.

How about a front line of Bamba 7'10" Carter 7'5" Isaac 7'6" wingspans

https://pippenainteasy.com/2020/04/02/chicago-bulls-wendell-carter-jr-openly-requests-position-change-power-forward/

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Chicago had a pretty soft pf next to him. We have okeke birch and next year Isaac. Position wont matter so much as being able to switch/help and work as a group. Isaac will create havoc for carter/bamba/chuma and the others to feed off of.

That could really work if Bamba would just show something in the next few weeks. Okeke is clearly an important piece, but seems so versatile that he could bounce around position-wise. Defensively, Isaac can play anywhere but, unless WCJ develops some floor-spacing, we're back to where we were with AG/Isaac pairing. WCJ's not quite lightning foot speed might keep him at Center (and even be a problem there)...Hopefully, THIS is the "Evaluation Season" that WeHam claimed several years ago...figure out what we've got, possible fits, start developing a vision for all of these pieces and move decisively to build a TEAM, not just a toybox full of mismatched castoffs with individual upside.

Okeke could average more minutes backing up the SF and PF. Plus one of Mo, WCJ, or JI will likely be injured.

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tiderulz · Post #231 » by **tiderulz** » Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:12 pm

basketballRob wrote:Carter wants to be a power forward. Chicago really had no other option at center. Some of the fans say he always seemed unhappy with playing that position. If he gets his opportunity here, it may rejuvenate him. He looked like he was well on his way to becoming a 20 10 guy right after he was drafted, then he regressed.

How about a front line of Bamba 7'10" Carter 7'5" Isaac 7'6" wingspans

https://pippenainteasy.com/2020/04/02/chicago-bulls-wendell-carter-jr-openly-requests-position-change-power-forward/

how do you figure that?

zaymon · Post #232 » by **zaymon** » Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:19 pm

I dont think Weltman ever commited to Vucevic core. Never brought good ball handler, never used future assets, always drafted the rawest prospects. In the end i think Vucevic is thankfull regardless. Not everyone can be 1st option on a playoff team. We witnessed a great story. Not a championship but story i enjoyed.

basketballRob · Post #233 » by **basketballRob** » Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:22 pm

tiderulz wrote:
basketballRob wrote:Carter wants to be a power forward. Chicago really had no other option at center. Some of the fans say he always seemed unhappy with playing that position. If he gets his opportunity here, it may rejuvenate him. He looked like he was well on his way to becoming a 20 10 guy right after he was drafted, then he regressed.

How about a front line of Bamba 7'10" Carter 7'5" Isaac 7'6" wingspans

https://pippenainteasy.com/2020/04/02/chicago-bulls-wendell-carter-jr-openly-requests-position-change-power-forward/

how do you figure that?

I was just basing it on the talent I saw in that first summer league. He looked like the most talented guy drafted at the time. I thought for sure at the time that he'd eventually be a 20 10 guy.

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2018/7/12/17561448/chicago-bulls-wendell-carter-jr-nba-draft-summer-league-highlights-stats-star

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Skybox · Post #234 » by **Skybox** » Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:27 pm

basketballRob wrote:
fendilim wrote:
basketballRob wrote:He would dominate a small ball 4 in the paint.

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Defensively he’ll be bad
Aldridge and Gasol did it for years, not sure why we could experiment with it. Carter says in the interview that he can defend the position.

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Marc Gasol was DPOY, farthest thing from a liability...literally

basketballRob · Post #235 » by **basketballRob** » Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:29 pm

Skybox wrote:
basketballRob wrote:
fendilim wrote:Defensively he’ll be bad
Aldridge and Gasol did it for years, not sure why we could experiment with it. Carter says in the interview that he can defend the position.

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Marc Gasol was DPOY, farthest thing from a liability...literally

Paul Gasol is the one I was referring to. He wasn't a quick guy, but was always a PF.

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Skybox · Post #236 » by **Skybox** » Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:29 pm

[quote="tiderulz"][quote="basketballRob"] He looked like he was well on his way to becoming a 20 10 guy right after he was drafted

I don't recall ANYONE. EVER. AT ALL. thinking that

fendilim · Post #237 » by **fendilim** » Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:29 pm

basketballRob wrote:
fendilim wrote:
basketballRob wrote:He would dominate a small ball 4 in the paint.

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Defensively he’ll be bad
Aldridge and Gasol did it for years, not sure why we could experiment with it. Carter says in the interview that he can defend the position.

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they did... in a different era

basketballRob · Post #238 » by **basketballRob** » Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:30 pm

Skybox wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
basketballRob wrote: He looked like he was well on his way to becoming a 20 10 guy right after he was drafted

I don't recall ANYONE. EVER. AT ALL. thinking that

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2018/7/12/17561448/chicago-bulls-wendell-carter-jr-nba-draft-summer-league-highlights-stats-star

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bigdogdylan5 · Post #239 » by **bigdogdylan5** » Sat Mar 27, 2021 5:07 pm

I was thinking about this after listening to several podcasts critical of the Vuc deal for not being equivalent to the Bucks Jrue trade. I don’t really get that criticism. All picks are not equal. I get that they are unprotected but I am pretty sure I would rather have Carter and two firsts from Chicago instead of that package. You had to think that Giannis was signing the super after that trade and barring an injury (which is unlikely because he has been really durable) those Swaps will be unused and the picks are going to all be late. Even if Giannis gets hurt Middleton and Jrue are enough to get them into the playoffs. Carter was a top pick with untapped potential. It’s a safe bet that the pick this year will be late lottery to at worst low 20s. The 2023 pick is sneaky because what if Lavine leaves in free agency in 2022 and that team could be in for some hurt. What do you all think?

Blue_and_Whte · Post #240 » by **Blue_and_Whte** » Sat Mar 27, 2021 5:25 pm

fendilim wrote:
basketballRob wrote:
fendilim wrote:Carter at PF? He seems slow to guard small ball 4s.
He would dominate a small ball 4 in the paint.

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Defensively he’ll be bad

THis is where it gets confusing to me because all ive heard is that he's decent stepping out and defending.