Official 2023-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread

drsd · Post #222 » by **drsd** » Thu Nov 2, 2023 9:30 pm

basketballRob wrote:I expect Suggs 3-pt percentage to be over 35% this season.

Current;y Suggs is taking 5 threes a game (30th for SGs in the NBA). If he continues at that volume and makes 35%, that's >140 made threes.

That starts to answer a good question for Orlando.

drsd · Post #223 » by **drsd** » Thu Nov 2, 2023 9:38 pm

CarraT wrote:We had a great 3p% SG last year starting.

This false narrative drives me crazy. G-Harris made 94 three pointers last year. That is not even "mediocre 3p% SG". G-Harris was absent most nights on offense. He had a high 3-pt percentage because he sat in the corner waiting for open looks.

Anfernee Simons in contrast made 212. Heck: Kevin Huerter made 205.

drsd · Post #224 » by **drsd** » Thu Nov 2, 2023 9:43 pm

pepe1991 wrote:And Bamba to average 18-12-3

Bamba logged minutes, so officially is an NBA player this season.

He has taken zero shots, grabbed zero rebounds, generated zero assists. The only stat he has in his season's box score: he logged one block. That is literally the ONLY stat he has at all this year.

What a joke.

MasterGMer · Post #225 » by **MasterGMer** » Thu Nov 2, 2023 9:59 pm

Bensational wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
Example 3: Lakers game

Paolo goes left, Reaves ignores Fultz and acts as help defender. Davis turns his back to Suggs, Wendell should be rolling toward, rim instad he is walking out to corner. Paolo has in same possession: avoid Russell, avoid Reaves and shoot over Lebron. That went as well as anybody could imagine.

Second possession: Both Suggs and Fultz are defended by one person. If you stop video at exect 2:03 mark (or play it in slow motion) you will notice that FOUR Lakers players are in space between 1 meter ( 3 feet) around Banchero.

It’s funny, because I see those situations and don’t think the spacing isn’t the problem, it’s Paolo choosing to take a shot with 4 defenders on him instead of passing out to any one of the open guys on the perimeter to keep the play alive.

pepe1991 wrote:And that brings me to biggest problem. it's not just spacing, it's fact that not a single person, including Franz is used to play off ball all that much. They simply don't have habbit of being in right position at a right time and make simple catch&shoot. Banchero traps himself into impossible situations mostly because :
a) his players never clear driving lines
2) his players never actually bother to relocate in search for better spots to be
3) his players more often than not- literally stand in his way

Now, some of blame has to go to Banchero, but if you want "new Lebron/ Giannis" you simply can't play 4 guys who have no clue what to do offball and once they DO recive the ball, it's not natural for them to actually catch- and shoot. They catch- make dribbles and search for different views.

Fultz, Franz and Cole haven’t had any trouble getting into the paint with the same lineups. What Paolo did above, in most cases Fultz or Franz would have passed out of it and then repositioned (they’ve both run into crowds at times this season too). Sure, it’s not pretty but stuff opens up.

And it makes it hard for the other guys to play off Paolo and run through lanes when he hasn’t created any. That’s his responsibility if he’s the primary playmaker and driving into the paint, he needs to pull defenders away to create a lane for the others to dive through. They don’t struggle finding lanes and openings as much for other players - but I fully admit they don’t run lanes like Mo Wagner or Harris who know that’s how they’re getting their buckets.

Basically, Paolo has to make smarter choices on ball, which isn’t a damning criticism.

I agree with you. But Paolo is a score first mentality guy. Lots of players play on instinct. Sometimes decisions are not made by thinking but by his instinct.

The problem is not Paolo is selfish and low Basketball IQ, the problem is indeed spacing.

Until Orlando Magic figures that out, I think Paolo and Franz game will keep getting harder to score at the paint

basketballRob · Post #226 » by **basketballRob** » Thu Nov 2, 2023 10:38 pm

I think the problem with Paolo has just been tired legs.

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Rainwater · Post #227 » by **Rainwater** » Fri Nov 3, 2023 7:30 am

If I were the magic I would trade anyone except Franz, Paolo, and Black for Simons. But I doubt Portland will give up on him yet.

CarraT · Post #228 » by **CarraT** » Fri Nov 3, 2023 8:07 am

drsd wrote:
CarraT wrote:We had a great 3p% SG last year starting.

This false narrative drives me crazy. G-Harris made 94 three pointers last year. That is not even "mediocre 3p% SG". G-Harris was absent most nights on offense. He had a high 3-pt percentage because he sat in the corner waiting for open looks.

Anfernee Simons in contrast made 212. Heck: Kevin Huerter made 205.

Thats why i wrote %! No false narrative here, calm down.

drsd · Post #229 » by **drsd** » Fri Nov 3, 2023 8:24 am

CarraT wrote:
drsd wrote:
CarraT wrote:We had a great 3p% SG last year starting.

This false narrative drives me crazy. G-Harris made 94 three pointers last year. That is not even "mediocre 3p% SG". G-Harris was absent most nights on offense. He had a high 3-pt percentage because he sat in the corner waiting for open looks.

Anfernee Simons in contrast made 212. Heck: Kevin Huerter made 205.

Thats why i wrote %! No false narrative here, calm down.

pepe has hammered on this point. There are a LOT of NBA players that can get a 40% three-ball when they are not involved in offense standing alone in the corner to take threes as the only job on the court. That is not elite three-point shooting.

G-Harris was a horrible offensive player last year.

Residual-Heat · Post #230 » by **Residual-Heat** » Fri Nov 3, 2023 2:42 pm

maybe time to make that Brogdon+RW trade with Portland. Fultz+Harris+Den 1st+Magic 1st 2024

JRoy · Post #231 » by **JRoy** » Fri Nov 3, 2023 2:44 pm

Residual-Heat wrote:maybe time to make that Brogdon+RW trade with Portland. Fultz+Harris+Den 1st+Magic 1st 2024

Make the ORL pick top 10 protected and I might do it for POR

basketballRob · Post #232 » by **basketballRob** » Fri Nov 3, 2023 2:46 pm

Residual-Heat wrote:maybe time to make that Brogdon+RW trade with Portland. Fultz+Harris+Den 1st+Magic 1st 2024

We're better off long term to make our picks and keep our 60+ million in cap space in the offseason.

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Residual-Heat · Post #233 » by **Residual-Heat** » Fri Nov 3, 2023 2:51 pm

basketballRob wrote:
Residual-Heat wrote:maybe time to make that Brogdon+RW trade with Portland. Fultz+Harris+Den 1st+Magic 1st 2024
No thanks. They are both too injury prone.

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So are Fultz and Harris. The 2024 draft sucks (apparently) and the Den pick will likely be a very late 1st.
I get it we already have injury prone players, but if we want to have a chance to make the play offs this season we have to do something.

Rainwater · Post #234 » by **Rainwater** » Fri Nov 3, 2023 4:29 pm

Residual-Heat wrote:maybe time to make that Brogdon+RW trade with Portland. Fultz+Harris+Den 1st+Magic 1st 2024

Brogdan is not within our timeline and he wants to win now. And the magic already have Black. This trade is not going to happen.

Rainwater · Post #235 » by **Rainwater** » Fri Nov 3, 2023 4:31 pm

Residual-Heat wrote:
basketballRob wrote:
Residual-Heat wrote:maybe time to make that Brogdon+RW trade with Portland. Fultz+Harris+Den 1st+Magic 1st 2024
No thanks. They are both too injury prone.

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So are Fultz and Harris. The 2024 draft sucks (apparently) and the Den pick will likely be a very late 1st.
I get it we already have injury prone players, but if we want to have a chance to make the play offs this season we have to do something.

People need to realize the playoffs may not necessarily be the goal for the magic. They are years from competing no need to rush the process.

Residual-Heat · Post #236 » by **Residual-Heat** » Fri Nov 3, 2023 4:46 pm

Rainwater wrote:
Residual-Heat wrote:
basketballRob wrote:No thanks. They are both too injury prone.

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So are Fultz and Harris. The 2024 draft sucks (apparently) and the Den pick will likely be a very late 1st.
I get it we already have injury prone players, but if we want to have a chance to make the play offs this season we have to do something.

People need to realize the playoffs may not necessarily be the goal for the magic. They are years from competing no need to rush the process.

Not sure what you mean. Are you expecting another top 5-10 pick? All we're giving up is 1sts and expiring contracts. Im not suggesting we trade Franz or Paolo here.

This team is very capable of competing for the play in with just some minor improvements.

Skybox · Post #237 » by **Skybox** » Fri Nov 3, 2023 5:11 pm

basketballRob wrote:
Residual-Heat wrote:maybe time to make that Brogdon+RW trade with Portland. Fultz+Harris+Den 1st+Magic 1st 2024
We're better off long term to make our picks and keep our 60+ million in cap space in the offseason.

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cap space for what? Harden?

cap space is used to get players...here are some players that are better than we'd likely get in FA or draft...although I'd want Simons over Brogdon by a considerable amount...add a dozen srps

Skybox · Post #238 » by **Skybox** » Fri Nov 3, 2023 5:12 pm

Rainwater wrote:
Residual-Heat wrote:maybe time to make that Brogdon+RW trade with Portland. Fultz+Harris+Den 1st+Magic 1st 2024

Brogdan is not within our timeline and he wants to win now. And the magic already have Black. This trade is not going to happen.

not every vet gets to call their shots. We'd like to do some winning too.

Magic already have 3 "Black-types" (just among the guards :noway:

) ...we need a Brogdon or Simons type to balance

Skybox · Post #239 » by **Skybox** » Fri Nov 3, 2023 5:20 pm

I'm hoping we're not even drafting next year, we got 5 lottery picks in the last 3 years - that's a third of our roster! and the rest aren't much more developed or older...let's get a proven guy and skip the draft

Magic#1 · Post #240 » by **Magic#1** » Fri Nov 3, 2023 5:42 pm

Rainwater wrote:
Residual-Heat wrote:
basketballRob wrote:No thanks. They are both too injury prone.

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So are Fultz and Harris. The 2024 draft sucks (apparently) and the Den pick will likely be a very late 1st.
I get it we already have injury prone players, but if we want to have a chance to make the play offs this season we have to do something.

People need to realize the playoffs may not necessarily be the goal for the magic. They are years from competing no need to rush the process.

We're years away from contending, but playoffs/playin should be and definitely appears to be the goal. In order to get to contending, you have to make the playoffs. Looking around the east, we should be a top 7-9 team. We won 34 games last year. Getting 40-42 should be the goal.