Around the League: 2024-25 Season

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[byeganyo]

I just noticed gradey dick is 20 ppg player already, picking howard will really go down as one of the greatest what were they thinking/what could have been moments in orlando history.

[Knightro]

I just noticed gradey dick is 20 ppg player already, picking howard will really go down as one of the greatest what were they thinking/what could have been moments in orlando history.

Dick is also playing 32 MPG and has a 23 USG% on a team that's 2-9.

If you put Jett on Toronto and gave him Gradey's FGAs and usage, he'd be putting up good stats on a terrible team too.

[eyriq]

I just noticed gradey dick is 20 ppg player already, picking howard will really go down as one of the greatest what were they thinking/what could have been moments in orlando history.

Dick is also playing 32 MPG and has a 23 USG% on a team that's 2-9.

If you put Jett on Toronto and gave him Gradey's FGAs and usage, he'd be putting up good stats on a terrible team too.

Oh, I doubt that.

[Knightro]

I just noticed gradey dick is 20 ppg player already, picking howard will really go down as one of the greatest what were they thinking/what could have been moments in orlando history.

Dick is also playing 32 MPG and has a 23 USG% on a team that's 2-9.

If you put Jett on Toronto and gave him Gradey's FGAs and usage, he'd be putting up good stats on a terrible team too.

Oh, I doubt that.

Why not?

His Per 36 with Orlando is 17 PPG. If you just stuck him in Gradey Dick's current role with basically unlimited shots on a team that's horrible and isn't trying to win, his raw stats would be fine.

[eyriq]

Dick is also playing 32 MPG and has a 23 USG% on a team that's 2-9.

If you put Jett on Toronto and gave him Gradey's FGAs and usage, he'd be putting up good stats on a terrible team too.

Oh, I doubt that.

Why not?

His Per 36 with Orlando is 17 PPG. If you just stuck him in Gradey Dick's current role with basically unlimited shots on a team that's horrible and isn't trying to win, his raw stats would be fine.

Both are considered three point specialists, with Gradey considered more of a catch and shoot guy while Jett has a bit more self-creation in his bag.

The biggest difference between the two right now, IMO, is that Gradey is the superior athlete, has the superior basketball IQ, and plays with much better energy. I'm not convinced at all that Jett could perform at this level given the same opportunities.

I just think Gradey was several tiers better as a prospect and is still way ahead of Jett professionally.

[JoshuaPotter]

So, what is up with Clevelands 11-0 start. Who or what did they add to get off to such a terrific start?

Are they for realz?

[msmoore66]

Oh, I doubt that.

Why not?

His Per 36 with Orlando is 17 PPG. If you just stuck him in Gradey Dick's current role with basically unlimited shots on a team that's horrible and isn't trying to win, his raw stats would be fine.

Both are considered three point specialists, with Gradey considered more of a catch and shoot guy while Jett has a bit more self-creation in his bag.

The biggest difference between the two right now, IMO, is that Gradey is the superior athlete, has the superior basketball IQ, and plays with much better energy. I'm not convinced at all that Jett could perform at this level given the same opportunities.

I just think Gradey was several tiers better as a prospect and is still way ahead of Jett professionally.

Fair points for sure.

Also think Knightro is correct in that it's not accurate to look at Dick's performance and then bemoan the Jett signing based on that as we don't know exactly what Jett would do in that role, mins, usage, license, but is sure more than he would do in his role here.

(I would have preferred Dick at that pick as well btw)

[RookieStar]

Is this the validation of those guys who were afraid of drafting Chet? These kinds of injuries? Or is it a "normal" expected kind?

[pepe1991]

So, what is up with Clevelands 11-0 start. Who or what did they add to get off to such a terrific start?

Are they for realz?

Ty Jerome returned from injury as massive connector and Kenny Atkinson fixed lot of their rotation problems with Mobley & Allen overlapping in skills by staggering rotation.

And Garland is playing best basketball of his life

[CalOrl11]

So, what is up with Clevelands 11-0 start. Who or what did they add to get off to such a terrific start?

Are they for realz?

Team is pretty much the same as last season so continuity has helped them a lot, plus they're healthy. Haven't watched too much of the Cavs this year but replacing Bickerstaff with Atkinson seems to be working miracles

[eyriq]

Fair points for sure.

Also think Knightro is correct in that it's not accurate to look at Dick's performance and then bemoan the Jett signing based on that as we don't know exactly what Jett would do in that role, mins, usage, license, but is sure more than he would do in his role here.

(I would have preferred Dick at that pick as well btw)

The problem is that there are really no indicators that Jett was a good pick and will be a good player. The best things going for him are:

1. Weltman drafted him
2. He was respectable in the g-league, at least better than Houstan
3. He's got an NBA pedigree

That's really it. Weltman can pick busts though, the g-league isn't a strong predictor of NBA success, and neither is having an NBA pedigree.

I don't think it's fair to say that Gradey's success is attributable to opportunity and that giving that same opportunity to Jett would result in the same level of success. I think Gradey is just a fundamentally better player and prospect.

[msmoore66]

Fair points for sure.

Also think Knightro is correct in that it's not accurate to look at Dick's performance and then bemoan the Jett signing based on that as we don't know exactly what Jett would do in that role, mins, usage, license, but is sure more than he would do in his role here.

(I would have preferred Dick at that pick as well btw)

The problem is that there are really no indicators that Jett was a good pick and will be a good player. The best things going for him are:

1. Weltman drafted him
2. He was respectable in the g-league, at least better than Houstan
3. He's got an NBA pedigree

That's really it. Weltman can pick busts though, the g-league isn't a strong predictor of NBA success, and neither is having an NBA pedigree.

I don't think it's fair to say that Gradey's success is attributable to opportunity and that giving that same opportunity to Jett would result in the same level of success. I think Gradey is just a fundamentally better player and prospect.

Yeap. Don't disagree with those points either.

I don't think Jett would have the same success in that opportunity either, but he would be putting up raw numbers a lot better than here.

I guess the point is, their opportunities have been different, so to use the stats Dick is putting up now as the comparable doesn't really prove much. You analysis/comparison of the two in your last two posts is how to do it.

[eyriq]

Fair points for sure.

Also think Knightro is correct in that it's not accurate to look at Dick's performance and then bemoan the Jett signing based on that as we don't know exactly what Jett would do in that role, mins, usage, license, but is sure more than he would do in his role here.

(I would have preferred Dick at that pick as well btw)

The problem is that there are really no indicators that Jett was a good pick and will be a good player. The best things going for him are:

1. Weltman drafted him
2. He was respectable in the g-league, at least better than Houstan
3. He's got an NBA pedigree

That's really it. Weltman can pick busts though, the g-league isn't a strong predictor of NBA success, and neither is having an NBA pedigree.

I don't think it's fair to say that Gradey's success is attributable to opportunity and that giving that same opportunity to Jett would result in the same level of success. I think Gradey is just a fundamentally better player and prospect.

Yeap. Don't disagree with those points either.

I don't think Jett would have the same success in that opportunity either, but he would be putting up raw numbers a lot better than here.

I guess the point is, their opportunities have been different, so to use the stats Dick is putting up now as the comparable doesn't really prove much. You analysis/comparison of the two in your last two posts is how to do it.

Ah, gotcha. Yeah that's fair.

[byeganyo]

I just noticed gradey dick is 20 ppg player already, picking howard will really go down as one of the greatest what were they thinking/what could have been moments in orlando history.

Dick is also playing 32 MPG and has a 23 USG% on a team that's 2-9.

If you put Jett on Toronto and gave him Gradey's FGAs and usage, he'd be putting up good stats on a terrible team too.

101 minutes 16/43 FGA and 47 pts 11 rbs a single assist! and a single steal - those are totals of Jett this season

36 minutes 26/2/5/2/3 - those are the numbers of Dick against Denver only.

So in one game and 1/3 of Jett minutes he had more assists steals and blocks than Jett so far in 3 times as many minutes and more than half the points.

Yep Raptors are not great, but we are still sub .500 teams so maybe we can be a bit less condescending.

[RichCollab]

No way Devos would of approved drafting Black and Dick together…

[RichCollab]

Gradey is looking solid. I liked him a lot.

Jett seems to have a higher ceiling from creation and playmaker. Potential isn’t actual though and Gradey has done a great job taking advantage of his opportunity.

[basketballRob]

I liked Bufkin, George, and Lively over them. I still like Bufkin over both of them. He's out with a separated shoulder right now.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/gleague/players/b/bufkiko01d.html

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[msmoore66]

I just noticed gradey dick is 20 ppg player already, picking howard will really go down as one of the greatest what were they thinking/what could have been moments in orlando history.

Dick is also playing 32 MPG and has a 23 USG% on a team that's 2-9.

If you put Jett on Toronto and gave him Gradey's FGAs and usage, he'd be putting up good stats on a terrible team too.

101 minutes 16/43 FGA and 47 pts 11 rbs a single assist! and a single steal - those are totals of Jett this season

36 minutes 26/2/5/2/3 - those are the numbers of Dick against Denver only.

So in one game and 1/3 of Jett minutes he had more assists steals and blocks than Jett so far in 3 times as many minutes and more than half the points.

Yep Raptors are not great, but we are still sub .500 teams so maybe we can be a bit less condescending.

Preface - I like Dick more and would have preferred we picked him.... however;

Surely you can see the difference between playing 101 mins in spurts vs 36mins in one game with relative freedom. Some players are OK as impact players in inconsistent mins, but many also need rhythm, confidence etc to produce consistently. Give Jett 30+ mins, similar usage with the comfort of knowing he is stable in that role then compare (I suspect Gradey would still be performing better, but at least it is a proper comparison.)

[RichCollab]

Jett’s quick release is elite.