Official 2024-2025 Magic Trade ideas thread continued

[drsd]

Massive injury issues are not a reason to NOT improve your roster...they're more likely additional incentive to do it.

And-1

As a min: the Magic NEED another combo big for the playoffs. That will cost Anthony and another asset or two. We fans need to be OK with that.

[Skybox]

Massive injury issues are not a reason to NOT improve your roster...they're more likely additional incentive to do it.

And-1

As a min: the Magic NEED another combo big for the playoffs. That will cost Anthony and another asset or two. We fans need to be OK with that.

But we can't do that because we only care about 2030

The idea that being "ahead of schedule" or "young" is directly relevant to what we should do is buffoonery. If we are GOOD and have a couple of All-Star level players to build around (regardless of age or # of wasted years blowing the lottery dice) - then we are ripe to compete and mindfully improve immediately. The idea that being ahead of (expected) schedule is a reason to slow down is just completely without merit...Just the opposite. When do you think a team is likely to have 2 All-Star level players on rookie deals? Improving doesn't have to mean "winning the title this year" either - our principle guys can keep growing and refining - but they're already good enough to make some playoff noise and gain that experience. The more time we get in meaningful games the more we get to suss who can deliver when it counts among the supporting cast as well...so that when our big-hitters are really in their prime, we'll already have some playoff-tested youngish guys around them.

It's just f**king dumb. Think about it!

Nobody's talking about moving Suggs or Franz or, usually, even AB-who is only a marginal backup at this point. We don't have to dump prospects like AB, but we also shouldn't clench our sphincters about moving Jett, who might maybe someday be good, for a player who is good. Nobody is putting 2025 ahead of 2027. Nobody smart is suggesting taking on Beal or Lavine with no regard for Paolo's max hitting. For f**k's sake, we're generally discussing upgrading Cole Anthony's spot - a guy who was out of the rotation before the injury plague hit.

[thelead]

I’m so tired of talking about the same issues. A trade would be nice but I really want to understand why the team can’t shoot compared to the rest of the league. Somehow, we’ve gotten worse this season too. And yes, we been injured but the guys are missing WIDE open shots that even bad teams make. Soooo tired of it.

[CocoaFan]

Trading Cole + Jett + Magic 1st for Sexton makes the team better now and into the future. Very little risk involved. Cole has proved over his 5 years he's inconsistent and we need more, Jett won't get minutes with Sexton aboard, and we really don't have minutes to develop another rookie.

Bitadze/Mo Wagner/Carter?
Banchero/Isaac/Denver pick?
Franz/Da Silva/
Caldwell-Pope/Sexton/
Suggs/Black/

[orlando_joe]

We will probably need to attach Suns pick and Magic pick just to move Carter. They gave him 3 years $59M exstension that starts next year, last year is team option, but still, in best case scenario he takes near $20M a year until the end of 2027-28.

For argument sake, he makes as much as Vuc, who is having 20-10-3, 64% TS season

no it does not he will only make under 11 mill next yr..wont kick in till 26/27 season and only 2 season guaranteed

2024-25 - $19,5M - guaranteed
2025-26 - $10,85 M - guaranteed
2026-27 $18,1M - guaranteed
2027-28 $19,5M - guaranteed

2028-29 - $21M - team option

good luck selling him on such contract without attaching some value if you know guy at average misses 40-50% of games every year, always has some health issues, is near 300 pounds and needs ages to get in shape and is playing worst season of his life, on lowest block rate of his life, second lowest win share ( worst was as a rookie).

Without getting pick, what's the appeal to buy such players? Only role player with such a long contract that i can think of is Patrick Wiliams, who also is having disaster of a season. Would you buy him?

again he makes just under 12 mill this yr not 19.5..i never said what it would cost to move him? but do not see magic moving him this yr or next yr when he makes under 12 and under 11 mill a yr

the 4 yrs combined guaranteed go 15 mill a yr avg...that is not crazy

[DiplomaticMagic]

Whats going to be annoying is when rivals Eastern confernce teams make trades to better their roster while we stand pat....

[Ducklett]

I for one won't be surprised if the Magic are smart and don't make any drastic moves.

I also wont be surprised if the Magic are not smart and continue to sit on their thumbs, avoid any risk or exposure, and put job security above ambition.

Magic are building for the future, not right now to pacify fanatical fans who want their results early.

This is an opinion you are not allowed to have around here. You can only say our players suck and everyone else's players are God's, even if their fanbases think the suck and want them gone.

[yoyojw17]

Whats going to be annoying is when rivals Eastern confernce teams make trades to better their roster while we stand pat....

Cuz some people aren't willing to shuffle the cards before knowing what they have. It's a team.... And missing large portions of the team can make a huge difference. Let's see the team healthy before making substantial moves. And from the look of it ... While teams are getting better from this point on ... So will we as Franz is nearly on his way back.... And suggs and goga shouldn't be far behind. IF they know someone needs to be changed .... Then they might be inclined to make a swap or minor tweak.... But I would not be surprised if they wait and see.

[Skybox]

I also wont be surprised if the Magic are not smart and continue to sit on their thumbs, avoid any risk or exposure, and put job security above ambition.

Magic are building for the future, not right now to pacify fanatical fans who want their results early.

This is an opinion you are not allowed to have around here. You can only say our players suck and everyone else's players are God's, even if their fanbases think the suck and want them gone.

yes, that is EXACTLY what anyone suggesting a smallish trade is doing. Solid point...BTW, what thread is this?

[eyriq]

I'm firmly in the camp of trading JI, Cole, WCJ, and Jett. Trade them for what is the question. A starting center, a 3rd forward, and 4th guard is probably the answer.

[Skybox]

I'm firmly in the camp of trading JI, Cole, WCJ, and Jett. Trade them for what is the question. A starting center, a 3rd forward, and 4th guard is probably the answer.

And...does this mean you hate those guys?

Not satisfied with Goga?

any suggested targets at those 3 spots?

[Ducklett]

Magic are building for the future, not right now to pacify fanatical fans who want their results early.

This is an opinion you are not allowed to have around here. You can only say our players suck and everyone else's players are God's, even if their fanbases think the suck and want them gone.

yes, that is EXACTLY what anyone suggesting a smallish trade is doing. Solid point...BTW, what thread is this?

You suggest good trades skybox we are just having a little fun.

I think we should call Portland and Utah and tell them "alright boys, here is what we got, we want either simons or sexton. First one to say go gets the pot." And let them fight amongst themselves.

[Idiosyncratic]

I'm firmly in the camp of trading JI, Cole, WCJ, and Jett. Trade them for what is the question. A starting center, a 3rd forward, and 4th guard is probably the answer.

I do think long term starting center is a potential bigger need than many seem to think. We get caught up discussing combo guards who historically are one of the least valuable player types because our shooting is so anemic, but we probably have other needs to reach championship level as well.

Goga is a viable starter IMO, he is good, but adding another guy as good as him or better would be huge. I still just like the idea of drafting Johnii Broome and seeing if he can be that guy. Obviously no sure bet to fall to us or even be a good NBA player.

I hate the idea of attaching good picks to move Wendell's salary, I would try to find a change of scenery trade in the offseason. Would Derozan make sense to chuck shots with our defensive minded 2nd unit if we don't trade for a guard? Terrance Mann? Attach a couple 2nds and get Kispert? Would the Warriors swap Moody or Hield for size? Don't know, those are guys making similar that their teams may no longer want off the top of my head.

[Ducklett]

I'm firmly in the camp of trading JI, Cole, WCJ, and Jett. Trade them for what is the question. A starting center, a 3rd forward, and 4th guard is probably the answer.

I do think long term starting center is a potential bigger need than many seem to think. We get caught up discussing combo guards who historically are one of the least valuable player types because our shooting is so anemic, but we probably have other needs to reach championship level as well.

Goga is a viable starter IMO, he is good, but adding another guy as good as him or better would be huge. I still just like the idea of drafting Johnii Broome and seeing if he can be that guy. Obviously no sure bet to fall to us or even be a good NBA player.

I hate the idea of attaching good picks to move Wendell's salary, I would try to find a change of scenery trade in the offseason. Would Derozan make sense to chuck shots with our defensive minded 2nd unit if we don't trade for a guard? Terrance Mann? Attach a couple 2nds and get Kispert? Would the Warriors swap Moody or Hield for size? Don't know, those are guys making similar that their teams may no longer want off the top of my head.

Other fanbases and commentary teams seem to think Dell is good and we just use him wrong. He historically is a very stable, consistant player and some teams want that.

[Skybox]

If Wendell would bring it consistently, he'd have a huge trade market...the guy CAN do just about everything and he's that rare C that can (hypothetically) spread the floor...he's struggling like everyone on ORL from the perimeter this year, but he's got a lot to offer. I get so frustrated with his routine disappearances on the court, but he also pulls down man-size rebounds in traffic sometimes. He really might be a "new environment" guy. He can definitely average a double double (he's done it) and shoot close to 40% from 3 and dish a reasonable number of assists. I'm just tired of waiting for it and tired of watching him and Gary yukking it up on the bench every other game.

I'm satisfied with Goga, but would be even happier with him off the bench.

If we've got Danny Ainge on the phone anyway...could we sweeten the pick haul and grab Kessler AND Sexton? Instant overhaul. I don't see why Kessler is available, but that seems to be the opinion...not for a steal, but maybe for a decent haul. Kessler isn't really a very good Center...but he's really good at a few things, which would work with our hyper-versatile forwards. A Kessler/Goga C rotation would be nasty and the long-term picture wouldn't need to be sorted out for a couple years...and, even then, he'd be an RFA.

[Idiosyncratic]

I'm firmly in the camp of trading JI, Cole, WCJ, and Jett. Trade them for what is the question. A starting center, a 3rd forward, and 4th guard is probably the answer.

I do think long term starting center is a potential bigger need than many seem to think. We get caught up discussing combo guards who historically are one of the least valuable player types because our shooting is so anemic, but we probably have other needs to reach championship level as well.

Goga is a viable starter IMO, he is good, but adding another guy as good as him or better would be huge. I still just like the idea of drafting Johnii Broome and seeing if he can be that guy. Obviously no sure bet to fall to us or even be a good NBA player.

I hate the idea of attaching good picks to move Wendell's salary, I would try to find a change of scenery trade in the offseason. Would Derozan make sense to chuck shots with our defensive minded 2nd unit if we don't trade for a guard? Terrance Mann? Attach a couple 2nds and get Kispert? Would the Warriors swap Moody or Hield for size? Don't know, those are guys making similar that their teams may no longer want off the top of my head.

Other fanbases and commentary teams seem to think Dell is good and we just use him wrong. He historically is a very stable, consistant player and some teams want that.

Yeah I think teams that need defense more than us could have more of a use for him than us. He moves his feet very well for a big when switched onto smaller players. He has the ability to space the floor. His offensive game just seems like it is really regressing and he could really use a change of scenery. Not just the shooting which I know can be random, just seems like he is struggling to do simple things on the offensive end like even catching the ball properly. Wonder if that hand injury has messed him up. He got surgery in the offseason I believe.

I don't want to give him away, but swapping defense for offense could probably make sense.

[Skybox]

ORL sends: Moe Wagner (TO $11m), Gary Harris (TO $7.5m), DEN 25 frp, ORL 25 frp (Top 5), ORL 27 frp (Top 5)
UTA sends: Collin Sexton (one more year at $19.1), Walker Kessler (one more at $4.9, then RFA)

Instant makeover for two guys that aren't necessary. Sorry Moe, but he's expected to be out a full calendar year. UTAH gets cap space and three frps. ORL still has their 26 frp and whatever shakes out of that PHX pick trade. Look to move Cole and WCJ this summer for picks, parts - primarily for financial reasons. I'd happily swap Cole into the deal with UTA, but I don't think it would sell. Maybe including Jett might replace one of the frps, or maybe even a couple of srps? I know that's a lot of picks, but...

Kessler/Goga/WCJ SOLID young defensive rotation. No breaks for the other team on the boards or at the rim.
Paolo/Isaac/Castleton
Franz/TdS/Jett
KCP/Sexton/Queen significantly more offensive firepower and playmaking in the second unit, especially as AB grows
Suggs/AB/Cole

*WCJ & Cole are (sometimes) too good to be "3rd" string, but Mose likes his depth, so they'll play. WCJ definitely gets minutes at PF too.

[The-Stallion70]

https://youtu.be/tlffwQCC2z4?si=jnCa7c2EVDTShdez

Sexman full play

This guy just isn't a team player. Its not surprising to me that another team wants to get rid of him.

Maybe if he went to a contending team he could probably be 6MOTY but on our squad we would likely enable him offensively and he would get his at the expense of everyone else.

[CalOrl11]

Yes the team isn't healthy now, but even when we are, we know the glaring issue is shooting. I'd like to see the FO be proactive at the deadline, although based on recent history, it's not likely.

[Skybox]

https://youtu.be/tlffwQCC2z4?si=jnCa7c2EVDTShdez

Sexman full play

This guy just isn't a team player. Its not surprising to me that another team wants to get rid of him.

Maybe if he went to a contending team he could probably be 6MOTY but on our squad we would likely enable him offensively and he would get his at the expense of everyone else.

23 pts, 5 assists,2 TO's, 50% from the field, 4-4 from the line, +4 in a loss...not seeing your point

Look, he's not SGA...what do you want for Cole and a late pick or so? We're still talking about a second unit upgrade, not a roster turnover. Why don't you do a similar, in-depth analysis of our players and see how they stack up?