Official 2025 Offseason Thread

[VFX]

This new CBA is just terrible. I bet Moe is not happy about the situation… on the other hand, he is injured. I would have to think the Magic will try to make up for it next summer depending on how he looks by the end of the season.

Completely agree with this, Moe got screwed.

I can almost guarantee once they make moves at the deadline or next offseason that Moe will sign a longer term deal under the assumption he is the same player when he returns.

$5m for half a rehab season isn’t too bad all things considered.

But yeah, they need to get rid of Jett and one of Isaac/Goga to pay this man. Hes actually been available and his effort shows up on the court and box scores.

He isn’t some theoretical potential player and he isn’t some injury prone bench guy that must be heavily managed.

[thelead]

This new CBA is just terrible. I bet Moe is not happy about the situation… on the other hand, he is injured. I would have to think the Magic will try to make up for it next summer depending on how he looks by the end of the season.

Completely agree with this, Moe got screwed.

I can almost guarantee once they make moves at the deadline or next offseason that Moe will sign a longer term deal under the assumption he is the same player when he returns.

$5m for half a rehab season isn’t too bad all things considered.

But yeah, they need to get rid of Jett and one of Isaac/Goga to pay this man. Hes actually been available and his effort shows up on the court and box scores. He isn’t some theoretical potential player and he isn’t some injury prone bench guy that must be managed.

We know JI pairs ridiculously well with Mo. Do we have enough (any) minutes of Goga/Mo to make a call on that pairing? I honestly can't recall anything significant there. Might be something to experiment with once Mo gets back.

[basketballRob]

Once Weltman can confirm that Houstan is celebrating the 4th of July, he can rain on his parade.

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[anothermagicfan]

They need to decide by October if they want to pick up his $7.3m option for next season. Do you think they should pick it up since he's young? Or sign a player like Tyus for $7m? If Jett was only making $2.5m per year, it would be easier to keep him. He was drafted too early.

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I don't have to make that decision. The fo and coaching staff are the ones working with him not me.

They've already taken some slack for using so many picks to get Bane. Whatever financial flexibility they get from ridding themselves of 21 year old Jett will be considered another lottery pick given away. Many already have the wasted pick opinion. Holding onto him to develop at the very least gives Jett the chance to prove he was worth the pick.

My point is we don't really know the player he's going to be.
I could also argue there's guys on this roster set to make more that we have had a much longer look at in WCJ and JI. So Jett doesn't have to be the guy moved to make more room. It may still turn out that eventually he has to get moved but this would be a knee jerk reaction IMO.

The problem is that they need to make a decision before he plays another game for the 2026-27 season at $7.3m. If we're over the 2nd apron, you can times his salary by 4. That would cost the Magic nearly $30m to keep Jett for the 2026-27 season and they need to decide by October.

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This got foolish quickly. First off what are the scenarios that we will definitely be over the 2nd apron and what other moves could be made to get under it. If you want to multiply Jett salary x4 for being over the second apron the argument could be made for both WCJ and JI. They are going to make something around 33 combined next year. Thats what like 132 for them.

I'm not saying Jett is worth the money on his deal just simply it would be an absolute admission that we missed the pick from the fo and they don't have a history of doing that. That could change I just don't see it happening

[basketballRob]

I don't have to make that decision. The fo and coaching staff are the ones working with him not me.

They've already taken some slack for using so many picks to get Bane. Whatever financial flexibility they get from ridding themselves of 21 year old Jett will be considered another lottery pick given away. Many already have the wasted pick opinion. Holding onto him to develop at the very least gives Jett the chance to prove he was worth the pick.

My point is we don't really know the player he's going to be.
I could also argue there's guys on this roster set to make more that we have had a much longer look at in WCJ and JI. So Jett doesn't have to be the guy moved to make more room. It may still turn out that eventually he has to get moved but this would be a knee jerk reaction IMO.

The problem is that they need to make a decision before he plays another game for the 2026-27 season at $7.3m. If we're over the 2nd apron, you can times his salary by 4. That would cost the Magic nearly $30m to keep Jett for the 2026-27 season and they need to decide by October.

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This got foolish quickly. First off what are the scenarios that we will definitely be over the 2nd apron and what other moves could be made to get under it. If you want to multiply Jett salary x4 for being over the second apron the argument could be made for both WCJ and JI. They are going to make something around 33 combined next year. Thats what like 132 for them.

I'm not saying Jett is worth the money on his deal just simply it would be an absolute admission that we missed the pick from the fo and they don't have a history of doing that. That could change I just don't see it happening

Isaac's salary isn't fully guaranteed in 2026-27, and I wouldn't be counting my money if I were him. Wendell has guaranteed money. Jett's contract isn't guaranteed at all.

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Completely agree with this, Moe got screwed.

I can almost guarantee once they make moves at the deadline or next offseason that Moe will sign a longer term deal under the assumption he is the same player when he returns.

$5m for half a rehab season isn’t too bad all things considered.

But yeah, they need to get rid of Jett and one of Isaac/Goga to pay this man. Hes actually been available and his effort shows up on the court and box scores. He isn’t some theoretical potential player and he isn’t some injury prone bench guy that must be managed.

We know JI pairs ridiculously well with Mo. Do we have enough (any) minutes of Goga/Mo to make a call on that pairing? I honestly can't recall anything significant there. Might be something to experiment with once Mo gets back.

Personally, I don’t think it would work too well. Moe would have to be higher volume and more efficient from outside.

I don’t like the argument that Orlando needs to pay Isaac $15m as Paolo’s backup because he can defend the players Moe can’t. There are a lot of players in the league that are good defensively. I’d rather have Tari Eason at $6m, Portis at $13m, or Clarke at $12m.

I mean, Naz Reid is 6th man of the year material and basically a starter at 28mpg and he makes $15m… No one on earth is taking Isaac over him at that rate.

[MagicTownBaller]

Noah Penda was just signed, so odds are we're going into next season with 14 players or we trade Jett for 2 low contracts.

[Audi]

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Joke’s on Weltman…Canada Day was July 1st.

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[yoyojw17]

Completely agree with this, Moe got screwed.

I can almost guarantee once they make moves at the deadline or next offseason that Moe will sign a longer term deal under the assumption he is the same player when he returns.

$5m for half a rehab season isn’t too bad all things considered.

But yeah, they need to get rid of Jett and one of Isaac/Goga to pay this man. Hes actually been available and his effort shows up on the court and box scores. He isn’t some theoretical potential player and he isn’t some injury prone bench guy that must be managed.

We know JI pairs ridiculously well with Mo. Do we have enough (any) minutes of Goga/Mo to make a call on that pairing? I honestly can't recall anything significant there. Might be something to experiment with once Mo gets back.

I can agree with vfx that they would work a long-term deal out after. Not sure he was going to get much offers this off-season as money has friend up as well. He returns ... We can get a developing big for the future. Haha ... Or grab Dwight.

But it would be great get Moe locked in for the future. And agreed. JI and Moe are a great balance.

[thelead]

I can almost guarantee once they make moves at the deadline or next offseason that Moe will sign a longer term deal under the assumption he is the same player when he returns.

$5m for half a rehab season isn’t too bad all things considered.

But yeah, they need to get rid of Jett and one of Isaac/Goga to pay this man. Hes actually been available and his effort shows up on the court and box scores. He isn’t some theoretical potential player and he isn’t some injury prone bench guy that must be managed.

We know JI pairs ridiculously well with Mo. Do we have enough (any) minutes of Goga/Mo to make a call on that pairing? I honestly can't recall anything significant there. Might be something to experiment with once Mo gets back.

Personally, I don’t think it would work too well. Moe would have to be higher volume and more efficient from outside.

I don’t like the argument that Orlando needs to pay Isaac $15m as Paolo’s backup because he can defend the players Moe can’t. There are a lot of players in the league that are good defensively. I’d rather have Tari Eason at $6m, Portis at $13m, or Clarke at $12m.

I mean, Naz Reid is 6th man of the year material and basically a starter at 28mpg and he makes $15m… No one on earth is taking Isaac over him at that rate.

tbh, I also don't think the Mo/Goga pairing would work as well as Mo/JI but... Naz just signed a 5/125 deal. Tari is going to a big pay day IMO. Portis is now at 15 mil per so that's a wash. JI at 15 isn't bad at all... but the key is that he needs to get back to where he was a year ago for it to make sense. If he doesn't we'll need to find a way to move/cut him.

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We know JI pairs ridiculously well with Mo. Do we have enough (any) minutes of Goga/Mo to make a call on that pairing? I honestly can't recall anything significant there. Might be something to experiment with once Mo gets back.

Personally, I don’t think it would work too well. Moe would have to be higher volume and more efficient from outside.

I don’t like the argument that Orlando needs to pay Isaac $15m as Paolo’s backup because he can defend the players Moe can’t. There are a lot of players in the league that are good defensively. I’d rather have Tari Eason at $6m, Portis at $13m, or Clarke at $12m.

I mean, Naz Reid is 6th man of the year material and basically a starter at 28mpg and he makes $15m… No one on earth is taking Isaac over him at that rate.

tbh, I also don't think the Mo/Goga pairing would work as well as Mo/JI but... Naz just signed a 5/125 deal. Tari is going to a big pay day IMO. Portis is now at 15 mil per so that's a wash. JI at 15 isn't bad at all... but the key is that he needs to get back to where he was a year ago for it to make sense. If he doesn't we'll need to find a way to move/cut him.

My problem with Isaac compared to all of those players I mentioned is that they all play 19-25mpg. It’s just hard to justify when Paolo needs to stay in games and isn’t versatile enough to suggest otherwise.

[Rainwater]

This new CBA is just terrible. I bet Moe is not happy about the situation… on the other hand, he is injured. I would have to think the Magic will try to make up for it next summer depending on how he looks by the end of the season.

Completely agree with this, Moe got screwed.

I can almost guarantee once they make moves at the deadline or next offseason that Moe will sign a longer term deal under the assumption he is the same player when he returns.

$5m for half a rehab season isn’t too bad all things considered.

But yeah, they need to get rid of Jett and one of Isaac/Goga to pay this man. Hes actually been available and his effort shows up on the court and box scores.

He isn’t some theoretical potential player and he isn’t some injury prone bench guy that must be heavily managed.

I just don’t trust teams. I remember what Miami did to Wade for example. You got to do what is in your best self interest.

[Rainwater]

Tyus Jones
Anthony Black
Tristian Da Silva
Jonathan Isaac
Moritz Wagner

Kinda perfect blend of offense/defense.

That lineup needs a microwave scorer. Would not be shocked if a move is made at the trade deadline to address the need.

[SOUL]

Tyus Jones
Anthony Black
Tristian Da Silva
Jonathan Isaac
Moritz Wagner

Kinda perfect blend of offense/defense.

That lineup needs a microwave scorer. Would not be shocked if a move is made at the trade deadline to address the need.

We're not playing 5 bench player units with Paolo/Franz/Bane/Suggs and relative health.

[VFX]

Completely agree with this, Moe got screwed.

I can almost guarantee once they make moves at the deadline or next offseason that Moe will sign a longer term deal under the assumption he is the same player when he returns.

$5m for half a rehab season isn’t too bad all things considered.

But yeah, they need to get rid of Jett and one of Isaac/Goga to pay this man. Hes actually been available and his effort shows up on the court and box scores.

He isn’t some theoretical potential player and he isn’t some injury prone bench guy that must be heavily managed.

I just don’t trust teams. I remember what Miami did to Wade for example. You got to do what is in your best self interest.

True. I just don’t think Orlando has the firepower off the bench to justify moving on from him. Jase would have to have an incredible rookie season or AB would have to come out firing to replace the production Moe gives then bench.

[mattdelray1220]

Tyus Jones
Anthony Black
Tristian Da Silva
Jonathan Isaac
Moritz Wagner

Kinda perfect blend of offense/defense.

That lineup needs a microwave scorer. Would not be shocked if a move is made at the trade deadline to address the need.

We're not playing 5 bench player units with Paolo/Franz/Bane/Suggs and relative health.

Exactly. Why do people think we sub all 5 out at once lol. Franz will be with this unit at a minimum. Most likely suggs or bane as well. This is how I see it.

Suggs (28) Tyus (18)
Bane (30) AB (20)
Franz (34) TDS (14)
PB (34) JI (14)
WCJ (28) Mo (20)

Obviously guys get hot and things change game to game but this is roughly what I think it looks like if everyone is healthy. Hopefully winning by so much some games TDS and AB get more time + Jase Penda Goga Jett get to play.

[Idiosyncratic]

Yeah Mose should be able to avoid the all bench lineups. He needs to get creative and figure out what works best before the postseason.

Jase and Penda will likely not be in the initial rotation, but between injuries and Isaac/Suggs rest days they should have plenty of chances. Also think there is a world where Penda can outright pass TDS on the depth chart this year.

[DiplomaticMagic]

That lineup needs a microwave scorer. Would not be shocked if a move is made at the trade deadline to address the need.

We're not playing 5 bench player units with Paolo/Franz/Bane/Suggs and relative health.

Exactly. Why do people think we sub all 5 out at once lol

Because I watched Mosley coach the last 3 years

[DiplomaticMagic]

What sucks is that if Jett panned out, hes the exact type of player our bench needs. Heat check/microwave guy.