Around the League: 2024-25 Season

[thelead]

You can make a compilation of dumb stuff the Magic do.

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Find me one (excluding Cole) that is THAT egregious

If you listen to the Warriors fans, they all want him back

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that's fine. They can have him. He's at home after leading his team to a... let me check my notes... 18-64 record.

Again, if we're getting him for expirings, sure, I guess. If you have to give up ANY positive-value assets, hell no.

[basketballRob]

Find me one (excluding Cole) that is THAT egregious

If you listen to the Warriors fans, they all want him back

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that's fine. They can have him. He's at home after leading his team to a... let me check my notes... 18-64 record.

Again, if we're getting him for expirings, sure, I guess. If you have to give up ANY positive-value assets, hell no.

TMac had an 18-win season. They are tanking

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[basketballRob]

Find me one (excluding Cole) that is THAT egregious

If you listen to the Warriors fans, they all want him back

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that's fine. They can have him. He's at home after leading his team to a... let me check my notes... 18-64 record.

Again, if we're getting him for expirings, sure, I guess. If you have to give up ANY positive-value assets, hell no.

They aren't going to just give him to us, but he'd be way less than Simons

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[thelead]

I'm not going to continue arguing against Poole. If you want low IQ players, fine, enjoy your losses. He won a championship with one of the greatest teams of all time loaded with future hall of famers at the end of their primes. Your holding onto this pipe-dream of Poole from 4 years ago even though he's been downhill since that punch. Might as well trade Paolo or Franz for LaMelo while you're at it too

[Optimus_Steel]

Lets be honest no one had Indy going to the NBA Finals. Not even their own fans. But I think you will see more of this, unexpected teams going to the Finals.

[Skybox]

Lets be honest no one had Indy going to the NBA Finals. Not even their own fans. But I think you will see more of this, unexpected teams going to the Finals.

The CBA will definitely make it interesting, teams will rise & blow up quickly…active, decisive GMs will have one eye on the cap and be churning players to avoid the tear down. Windows for contention will open and shut quickly. Fun times for dynamic off-court action, FO moves and RealGM types…terrible times for “patient, methodical, no skipping steps, thumb-up-your-butt, old school”GMs…this is the summer that Weltman shows if the NBA has passed him by…to his credit, he’s saying the right things.

ORL, who barely made the playoffs, imo, should really fear no one in the East next year…if they make a move or two to boost their backcourt offensive play while maintaining elite disruptive team defense, they SHOULD believe they can win the East, if healthy.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Lets be honest no one had Indy going to the NBA Finals. Not even their own fans. But I think you will see more of this, unexpected teams going to the Finals.

A little bit of luck mixed in with role players stepping up and bam you win the East.

[Knightro]

that's fine. They can have him. He's at home after leading his team to a... let me check my notes... 18-64 record.

Again, if we're getting him for expirings, sure, I guess. If you have to give up ANY positive-value assets, hell no.

But that's what it would be? We're talking KCP/Cole/Jett. Non-essential pieces. I can't imagine draft assets would be more than a couple of 2nds which they don't use anyway.

[Knightro]

I'm not going to continue arguing against Poole. If you want low IQ players, fine, enjoy your losses. He won a championship with one of the greatest teams of all time loaded with future hall of famers at the end of their primes. Your holding onto this pipe-dream of Poole from 4 years ago even though he's been downhill since that punch. Might as well trade Paolo or Franz for LaMelo while you're at it too

You're underrating what he did this past season. Yes, it was on a losing team and you have to take it with the appropriate grain of salt, but...

20.5 PPG, 4.5 APG, 1.3 SPG on a .591 TS%. Only four guys in the NBA did that... SGA, Jokic, Irving... and Poole.

[thelead]

I'm not going to continue arguing against Poole. If you want low IQ players, fine, enjoy your losses. He won a championship with one of the greatest teams of all time loaded with future hall of famers at the end of their primes. Your holding onto this pipe-dream of Poole from 4 years ago even though he's been downhill since that punch. Might as well trade Paolo or Franz for LaMelo while you're at it too

You're underrating what he did this past season. Yes, it was on a losing team and you have to take it with the appropriate grain of salt, but...

20.5 PPG, 4.5 APG, 1.3 SPG on a .591 TS%. Only four guys in the NBA did that... SGA, Jokic, Irving... and Poole.

He’s talented. There is no doubt about it. But he is also brain dead. You can tell when someone is not wired correctly and Poole has crazy eyes

There are so many examples of this guy being an idiot

Watch on YouTube

But sure, for KCP/Cole and a few 2nds, yes, I’d take him and hope for the best.

[Audi]

I'm not going to continue arguing against Poole. If you want low IQ players, fine, enjoy your losses. He won a championship with one of the greatest teams of all time loaded with future hall of famers at the end of their primes. Your holding onto this pipe-dream of Poole from 4 years ago even though he's been downhill since that punch. Might as well trade Paolo or Franz for LaMelo while you're at it too

You're underrating what he did this past season. Yes, it was on a losing team and you have to take it with the appropriate grain of salt, but...

20.5 PPG, 4.5 APG, 1.3 SPG on a .591 TS%. Only four guys in the NBA did that... SGA, Jokic, Irving... and Poole.

He’s talented. There is no doubt about it. But he is also brain dead. You can tell when someone is not wired correctly and Poole has crazy eyes

There are so many examples of this guy being an idiot

Watch on YouTube

But sure, for KCP/Cole and a few 2nds, yes, I’d take him and hope for the best.

Mose would have him rotting on the bench for antics like that.

[pepe1991]

I'm not going to continue arguing against Poole. If you want low IQ players, fine, enjoy your losses. He won a championship with one of the greatest teams of all time loaded with future hall of famers at the end of their primes. Your holding onto this pipe-dream of Poole from 4 years ago even though he's been downhill since that punch. Might as well trade Paolo or Franz for LaMelo while you're at it too

You're underrating what he did this past season. Yes, it was on a losing team and you have to take it with the appropriate grain of salt, but...

20.5 PPG, 4.5 APG, 1.3 SPG on a .591 TS%. Only four guys in the NBA did that... SGA, Jokic, Irving... and Poole.

Now do it to Kuzma for 2023-24 and tell Bucks how elite he is

One of 10 to put up 22-6-4

Rest of guys: Tatum, Lebron, Luka, Randle, Giannis, Jokić , Embiid, Durant and Banchero.

Almost if it's like... putting stats on terrible team with no stakes isn't that hard? Shocking

Poole has 30% usage rate on terrible 4,5 APG -3,0 TO. Whole efficiency stuff is blown out of proportions. They have games where he plays late in 4th for nothing but stats because what's there for Wizards to do but to play him?

Guy averaged more 4th quarter shots than Luka Dončić, Jamal Murray, NIkola Jokić , Giannis... Do you know how many close games Wizards even played? 12. Do you know what was their record? 1-11.
That pretty much shows you how Poole was often there in 4th quarters just to "fix" his numbers.



I don't give a flying F about his 59% TS. Zach Lavine had 22 ppg, 60% TS seasons in back to back years. Kings will be more than happy to handed him over. Sheesh, i wonder why is that?

[Knightro]

Now do it to Kuzma for 2023-24 and tell Bucks how elite he is

One of 10 to put up 22-6-4

Rest of guys: Tatum, Lebron, Luka, Randle, Giannis, Jokić , Embiid, Durant and Banchero.

Almost if it's like... putting stats on terrible team with no stakes isn't that hard? Shocking

Poole has 30% usage rate on terrible 4,5 APG -3,0 TO. Whole efficiency stuff is blown out of proportions. They have games where he plays late in 4th for nothing but stats because what's there for Wizards to do but to play him?

Guy averaged more 4th quarter shots than Luka Dončić, Jamal Murray, NIkola Jokić , Giannis... Do you know how many close games Wizards even played? 12. Do you know what was their record? 1-11.
That pretty much shows you how Poole was often there in 4th quarters just to "fix" his numbers.

I don't give a flying F about his 59% TS. Zach Lavine had 22 ppg, 60% TS seasons in back to back years. Kings will be more than happy to handed him over. Sheesh, i wonder why is that?

The primary difference is that you're leaving out is efficiency piece for Kuzma. Yes, he averaged 22-6-4 a couple of times, but he was a sub 55% TS guy in each of those years. He's never been an efficient scorer at any point in his career, whether he's playing on playoff teams or tanking teams.

Yes, Poole had a high usage this past year (29%, not 30% btw), but he also has a .598 TS% season on a 26.0 USG% on his resume too. And that was on a team that ::checks notes:: won the NBA title.

Zach LaVine would have been much more appealing to NBA teams if he was making $33M per year over the rest of his contract like Poole instead of making $47M over the rest of his contract like his actual contract. That extra money (and extra year) on his contract made him a lot less appealing.

[Skybox]

You're underrating what he did this past season. Yes, it was on a losing team and you have to take it with the appropriate grain of salt, but...

20.5 PPG, 4.5 APG, 1.3 SPG on a .591 TS%. Only four guys in the NBA did that... SGA, Jokic, Irving... and Poole.

He’s talented. There is no doubt about it. But he is also brain dead. You can tell when someone is not wired correctly and Poole has crazy eyes

There are so many examples of this guy being an idiot

Watch on YouTube

But sure, for KCP/Cole and a few 2nds, yes, I’d take him and hope for the best.

Mose would have him rotting on the bench for antics like that.

I'll bet that was a huge game too

It's not an admirable trait, but I bet he wasn't doing that during the Finals run on a team that mattered. It's real, but I'd take my chances...imagine playing on that team after playing on THAT team.

[pepe1991]

Now do it to Kuzma for 2023-24 and tell Bucks how elite he is

One of 10 to put up 22-6-4

Rest of guys: Tatum, Lebron, Luka, Randle, Giannis, Jokić , Embiid, Durant and Banchero.

Almost if it's like... putting stats on terrible team with no stakes isn't that hard? Shocking

Poole has 30% usage rate on terrible 4,5 APG -3,0 TO. Whole efficiency stuff is blown out of proportions. They have games where he plays late in 4th for nothing but stats because what's there for Wizards to do but to play him?

Guy averaged more 4th quarter shots than Luka Dončić, Jamal Murray, NIkola Jokić , Giannis... Do you know how many close games Wizards even played? 12. Do you know what was their record? 1-11.
That pretty much shows you how Poole was often there in 4th quarters just to "fix" his numbers.

I don't give a flying F about his 59% TS. Zach Lavine had 22 ppg, 60% TS seasons in back to back years. Kings will be more than happy to handed him over. Sheesh, i wonder why is that?

The primary difference is that you're leaving out is efficiency piece for Kuzma. Yes, he averaged 22-6-4 a couple of times, but he was a sub 55% TS guy in each of those years. He's never been an efficient scorer at any point in his career, whether he's playing on playoff teams or tanking teams.

Yes, Poole had a high usage this past year (29%, not 30% btw), but he also has a .598 TS% season on a 26.0 USG% on his resume too. And that was on a team that ::checks notes:: won the NBA title.

Zach LaVine would have been much more appealing to NBA teams if he was making $33M per year over the rest of his contract like Poole instead of making $47M over the rest of his contract like his actual contract. That extra money (and extra year) on his contract made him a lot less appealing.

Kuzma had same efficiency as Franz and Paolo had this year

Kuzma also "checks notes" won a title.

Poole also played in playoffs in year after they won title:
34% FG, 25% for 3 over 13 games, got benched, convenient part to "forget" to mention?

Lavine also didn't play on team that broke half of decades all records in sucking like Poole and Wizards ( and Kuzma ) broke in past two years.

I just can't wrap my head how you can blindly watch at TS% and just ignore he is driving force of 16-67 team AND 18-64 team in back to back years with 26,4% and 29% usage , incapable of setting anything on offense, running 5th worst ( 2023-24) and the worst offense.

How can you advocate for him, after crying how much Dennis Schroder sucks ( on way lower contract) after doing same for 23 games for Nets ( 18,4 ppg, 59% TS). With main difference that Schroder actually has some passing skills and costed 1/3rd of Poole's contract.


Lavine, like Poole, always was negative value. Their contract is just addition to nonsense.

[Knightro]

Now do it to Kuzma for 2023-24 and tell Bucks how elite he is

One of 10 to put up 22-6-4

Rest of guys: Tatum, Lebron, Luka, Randle, Giannis, Jokić , Embiid, Durant and Banchero.

Almost if it's like... putting stats on terrible team with no stakes isn't that hard? Shocking

Poole has 30% usage rate on terrible 4,5 APG -3,0 TO. Whole efficiency stuff is blown out of proportions. They have games where he plays late in 4th for nothing but stats because what's there for Wizards to do but to play him?

Guy averaged more 4th quarter shots than Luka Dončić, Jamal Murray, NIkola Jokić , Giannis... Do you know how many close games Wizards even played? 12. Do you know what was their record? 1-11.
That pretty much shows you how Poole was often there in 4th quarters just to "fix" his numbers.

I don't give a flying F about his 59% TS. Zach Lavine had 22 ppg, 60% TS seasons in back to back years. Kings will be more than happy to handed him over. Sheesh, i wonder why is that?

The primary difference is that you're leaving out is efficiency piece for Kuzma. Yes, he averaged 22-6-4 a couple of times, but he was a sub 55% TS guy in each of those years. He's never been an efficient scorer at any point in his career, whether he's playing on playoff teams or tanking teams.

Yes, Poole had a high usage this past year (29%, not 30% btw), but he also has a .598 TS% season on a 26.0 USG% on his resume too. And that was on a team that ::checks notes:: won the NBA title.

Zach LaVine would have been much more appealing to NBA teams if he was making $33M per year over the rest of his contract like Poole instead of making $47M over the rest of his contract like his actual contract. That extra money (and extra year) on his contract made him a lot less appealing.

Kuzma had same efficiency as Franz and Paolo had this year

Kuzma also "checks notes" won a title.

Poole also played in playoffs in year after they won title:
34% FG, 25% for 3 over 13 games, got benched, convenient part to "forget" to mention?

Lavine also didn't play on team that broke half of decades all records in sucking like Poole and Wizards ( and Kuzma ) broke in past two years.

I just can't wrap my head how you can blindly watch at TS% and just ignore he is driving force of 16-67 team AND 18-64 team in back to back years with 26,4% and 29% usage , incapable of setting anything on offense, running 5th worst ( 2023-24) and the worst offense.

How can you advocate for him, after crying how much Dennis Schroder sucks ( on way lower contract) after doing same for 23 games for Nets ( 18,4 ppg, 59% TS). With main difference that Schroder actually has some passing skills and costed 1/3rd of Poole's contract.

Lavine, like Poole, always was negative value. Their contract is just addition to nonsense.

Kuzma was like the 10th best player on the Lakers title team. He's never been an efficient or a particularly good player for that matter anywhere he's ever been.

Poole was the 4th best player on a title team. Why couldn't he be the 4th best player here and help the Magic significantly in an area they lack (efficient scoring from the guard positions)?

I was against Schroder because his .588 TS% in 23 games with Brooklyn was a complete fluke in relation to the rest of his NBA career. He turned immediately into complete garbage after the Warriors acquired him and continued to be garbage with the Pistons.

Poole's had multiple seasons of above average efficiency, on both good teams and bad teams.

[MagicFan101]

Shooting is all that matters … right?

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[basketballRob]

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While I watch the Pacers, I know the Magic could shut them down.

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[Black and Blue]

For the record, while I am on Team Poole, I DO think this team can do better and I would prefer they swing for the fences. A team with Paolo, Franz and a playmaking star PG like Trae, Ja or Ball would unlock a level of explosiveness we have not had in a long time. That said, if the team is convinced they need to keep Suggs, and other options like Monk are not available, this team could do a lot worse than Poole.

The tricky thing is the team has SO many directions they can go and Weltman isn’t giving many clues. I just hope and pray the people in charge aren’t deluded enough to think they can compete for a championship with switching out a few role players. This roster is practically half full of G Leaguers.