Official Speculation Thread (Pt XVI, Mods Close)

[ADRajX]

I see the scenarios where he could opt in for one year and then The Magic could have some capspace. The deccision is Dwight's though and I just feel Dwight is gone.

He does not want to Chicago because "It's too cold".

Are you kidding me?

What the hell does he expect in Brooklyn?

Even though there still might be a chance, it's over. I'm sorry but it is.

There are always other (secret) motives that aren't mentioned publicly unfortunately. This is a classic example of running around a question without having to truly answer it. Every star does it unfortunately. It's answers like these (and maybe I'm looking too much into it) that tells me that Dwight has other plans that are more than just winning. He wants to go to Brooklyn for reasons unbeknownst to us basketball fans; which sucks... because we'll never know exactly (unless it's 10 years from now after Dwight retires and he puts out a book or something) what Dwight is thinking or planning on doing... but the signs tell us that Dwight is packing his bags this summer.

If I was Martins and Otis, I would have sat Dwight down AT THIS VERY MOMENT, right before the deadline and asked him (after selling the idea of staying with the Magic to him), are you staying with us or not? If Dwight doesn't give a straight answer or his attitude is questionable... or if Dwight flat out still says "No, I want a trade out"... you have to move Dwight and get something in return... ANYTHING. You just don't let a player of that caliber just walk away for nothing. I know there are reasons that might suggest that letting Dwight walk away might be better for rebuilding, but for crying out loud, what kind of impression is the organization painting to other players and teams (if or) when we do that? That's not good.

This issue should have been taken care of a LONG time ago. The FO dropped the ball on this big time... Otis being the main culprit.

[arkknight1988]

Someone twitted this earlier. "How Rose feels about Howard not wanting to play for the Bulls"



I hated that moment

that moment right there told me dwight was going to bounce. can someone put bosh's head on him and call it a wrap.

[kman1023]

If he's gone, he's gone. The fact that the rest of the team (including SVG) has tried their best to keep it together is quite commendable. Sure, at times they have been lackluster, but to have the gun to their head for this long and be 3rd in the East (with Dwight's help of course) is pretty awesome.

[TSKD000]

^^^that is true about the draft pick but I'm just not sold on that team. Derpn and Howard BOTH thinking they are the # 1 option...."I am". "No I AM!". A lot can be said for good coaching and chemistry.

[Driguez]

Someone twitted this earlier. "How Rose feels about Howard not wanting to play for the Bulls"



I hated that moment

i loved that moment. rose is a no non-sense guy.

Loved Rose expression! Hated Dwight's dick riding James.

[kman1023]

^^^that is true about the draft pick but I'm just not sold on that team. Derpn and Howard BOTH thinking they are the # 1 option...."I am". "No I AM!". A lot can be said for good coaching and chemistry.

LOL Derpn

[arkknight1988]

i would be happy with marshon nj1st and okur and move on from this.

[Reverse_Angle]

Someone twitted this earlier. "How Rose feels about Howard not wanting to play for the Bulls"



I hated that moment

i loved that moment. rose is a no non-sense guy.

Loved Rose expression! Hated Dwight's dick riding James.

[eyriq]

just to add some additional reports of dwight's "character", this was posted on TBN a while back by a courtside season ticket holder.

It's blatantly obvious how mental and delusional Dwight is. I sit close enough at the games to see and hear all of the court talk. I've sat in the same seats since he was a rookie and have seen him morph into who he is today, and it has become scary/sad. It started in the 2008 season with the eye rolls when Van Gundy didn't call his number in the 4th quarter, even though the play would be successful and we would win. He can't restrain himself and focus more than 10 seconds (except when he is shooting free throws). I've seen him almost go into the stands because 1 fan was calling him a bum, after the Game 1 loss to the Sixers in '09, literally being held back from pulling an Artest.

He thinks he knows it all, and blames Otis (I'm not sticking up for Otis). I know for a fact that Dwight went to Otis and Van Gundy in the Finals and demanded that Jameer play because that was his brother. Then last year I could see him boiling on the court at Vince, Rashard, Gortat and JJ anytime they made the slightest mistake. He would complain to them the same way he would at the refs. So, we got rid of the bums for him. Gil was a player that Dwight wanted, and we got him. Its easy to go behind the scenes and demand certain moves and then when they don't work out, say "I want out, they haven't done what I wanted." After a couple of weeks, even during win streaks, he would be yelling at Gil, Turk, and Richardson because things weren't going his way.

This year is an absolute joke and Van Gundy, and the rest of the team (up until this past week) should be given a medal for putting up with him. Dwight goes to the media and cries that Van Gundy needs to be nicer, and now he is this new born leader and knows what it takes to win. Then, our first home game this year I could hear the awful, cancer creating jabs he would say to his teammates. "Give me the ****ing ball man, geez," "stop shootin so much," "come on man, I don't care if you were open." Etc. He has and always will be the negative guy on the floor. Complaining non stop. It is cancerous and distracting.

So we should be happy that he is going to leave the team. We will finally be able to become a real team again. Wherever Dwight goes, it will only be a matter of time before he starts to complain again, and act like he knows everything.

http://truebluenation.com/forum/index.p ... ntry658651

and another courtside story

Here is a little inside story I just got.

For those who don't know, I sit low enough to hear and see all of the players interactions. Well, last night I didn't go to the game but my friend who we share seats with did. He is friends with some people, who know some people. Anyway, he and Jack (he is high up, and I'll name protect him in case he didn't want his name out) were in the Club at the Arena, when Dwight's bodyguard came walking in. They know eachother from here and there and started to talk a little bit. Obviously the Dwight staying/going came up and the Bodyguard said flat out "don't believe everything you hear, Dwight wants to stay, he really does." So they countered with well, why doesn't he just say so and whats the deal, etc? Again the bodyguard said he wanted to stay but there were some things that have started to get Dwight mad. He spelled it all out:

Over the summer, prior to Dwight asking for the trade, he flew up to Grand Rapids to meet with DeVos about how he felt. He also had a few minor (I see them as immature but subtle) demands. 1- he wanted Deron Williams and/or Stephen Jackson/Monta Ellis (everyone knows this). 2- he wanted his personal trainer to be allowed to travel with the team and himself. This is something that DeVos, for whatever reason denied him of. Then Dwight said he wanted to change some small tedious stuff, like when he got flown to the All Star Game last year, the Magic flew him on their sponsor airline; Air Tran or Jet Blue, instead of on a Jet like the rest of the All Stars got. He said he wanted to be treated like all of the other "Stars" in the league pretty much.

So, my friend and *Jack, (much like all of you now) said minus Williams/Jackson/Ellis, that sounded dumb and easily attainable. The bodyguard stated again that if the Magic got another any all-star style player and some things changed that Dwight would stay. *Jack is personal friends with DeVos, who was at the game last night, and asked if he could share this little story. The Bodyguard said "you can tell anybody you would like." So, *Jack went straight to DeVos himself at the game and started telling him what he had just heard. DeVos nodded the entire time and said that was an accurate story.

So there you have it, straight from both sides.

http://truebluenation.com/forum/index.p ... ntry661110

that's the stuff i'm talking about GM's being worried about. I'm sure the stuff staff and GM's and league insiders hear and know about players goes way beyond what fans would get to see. that's what i mean when i say he's a cancer. this type of stuff from your best player and a guy who claims to be your leader is abhorrent. character is what you do when you think nobody is watching.

and if you're thinking "well he's an all star obviously he should get a private jet", is that something worth doing all of this for? putting your team and your community "our city" through all of this? it's "my city" when the allstar game is here and it is fun. it's pretty clear this team is dedicated to winning and trying to do it, nobody's perfect. it's not like we haven't "gone in" for cp3 and signed him max free agents that got us to the finals etc. just because he is in this position now is he really saying "get my guys or i'm gone" knowing what we can realistically get right now? if he stays i'll be glad because his talent obviously makes our team better and gives us contention hopes, if he leaves i won't be sad. this is all really fascinating from a management standpoint, decision making, and how we will deal with this impossible situation.

Good stuff. I've always been envious of those bench side seats! Anyway, while I don't share your personal reaction to this (we need to pamper the hell out of Dwight imo), I do enjoy the insight. I can totally see Otis thinking he is bigger than Dwight and that the "tail shouldn't wag the dog". Hey, maybe because he actually said that! LMAO at Otis, his stock has just hit Enron levels for me.

[Reverse_Angle]

i would be happy with marshon nj1st and okur and move on from this.

please just once, type about something other than a possible Nets trade.

[arkknight1988]

i would be happy with marshon nj1st and okur and move on from this.

please just once, type about something other than a possible Nets trade.

sorry. its just how i've felt since december, im sure everyone is sick of it.

[BelgianMagic]

It has been obvious for months now .. He wants to leave. And on top of that, he wants to leave as a FA so his next team isn't gutted.

The sooner our management understands this, the sooner we can ALL move on. TRADE HIM NOW

And I hope we can get some players who only care about the name on the front of the jersey, not the name on the back.

[ADRajX]

just to add some additional reports of dwight's "character", this was posted on TBN a while back by a courtside season ticket holder.

It's blatantly obvious how mental and delusional Dwight is. I sit close enough at the games to see and hear all of the court talk. I've sat in the same seats since he was a rookie and have seen him morph into who he is today, and it has become scary/sad. It started in the 2008 season with the eye rolls when Van Gundy didn't call his number in the 4th quarter, even though the play would be successful and we would win. He can't restrain himself and focus more than 10 seconds (except when he is shooting free throws). I've seen him almost go into the stands because 1 fan was calling him a bum, after the Game 1 loss to the Sixers in '09, literally being held back from pulling an Artest.

He thinks he knows it all, and blames Otis (I'm not sticking up for Otis). I know for a fact that Dwight went to Otis and Van Gundy in the Finals and demanded that Jameer play because that was his brother. Then last year I could see him boiling on the court at Vince, Rashard, Gortat and JJ anytime they made the slightest mistake. He would complain to them the same way he would at the refs. So, we got rid of the bums for him. Gil was a player that Dwight wanted, and we got him. Its easy to go behind the scenes and demand certain moves and then when they don't work out, say "I want out, they haven't done what I wanted." After a couple of weeks, even during win streaks, he would be yelling at Gil, Turk, and Richardson because things weren't going his way.

This year is an absolute joke and Van Gundy, and the rest of the team (up until this past week) should be given a medal for putting up with him. Dwight goes to the media and cries that Van Gundy needs to be nicer, and now he is this new born leader and knows what it takes to win. Then, our first home game this year I could hear the awful, cancer creating jabs he would say to his teammates. "Give me the ****ing ball man, geez," "stop shootin so much," "come on man, I don't care if you were open." Etc. He has and always will be the negative guy on the floor. Complaining non stop. It is cancerous and distracting.

So we should be happy that he is going to leave the team. We will finally be able to become a real team again. Wherever Dwight goes, it will only be a matter of time before he starts to complain again, and act like he knows everything.

http://truebluenation.com/forum/index.p ... ntry658651

and another courtside story

Here is a little inside story I just got.

For those who don't know, I sit low enough to hear and see all of the players interactions. Well, last night I didn't go to the game but my friend who we share seats with did. He is friends with some people, who know some people. Anyway, he and Jack (he is high up, and I'll name protect him in case he didn't want his name out) were in the Club at the Arena, when Dwight's bodyguard came walking in. They know eachother from here and there and started to talk a little bit. Obviously the Dwight staying/going came up and the Bodyguard said flat out "don't believe everything you hear, Dwight wants to stay, he really does." So they countered with well, why doesn't he just say so and whats the deal, etc? Again the bodyguard said he wanted to stay but there were some things that have started to get Dwight mad. He spelled it all out:

Over the summer, prior to Dwight asking for the trade, he flew up to Grand Rapids to meet with DeVos about how he felt. He also had a few minor (I see them as immature but subtle) demands. 1- he wanted Deron Williams and/or Stephen Jackson/Monta Ellis (everyone knows this). 2- he wanted his personal trainer to be allowed to travel with the team and himself. This is something that DeVos, for whatever reason denied him of. Then Dwight said he wanted to change some small tedious stuff, like when he got flown to the All Star Game last year, the Magic flew him on their sponsor airline; Air Tran or Jet Blue, instead of on a Jet like the rest of the All Stars got. He said he wanted to be treated like all of the other "Stars" in the league pretty much.

So, my friend and *Jack, (much like all of you now) said minus Williams/Jackson/Ellis, that sounded dumb and easily attainable. The bodyguard stated again that if the Magic got another any all-star style player and some things changed that Dwight would stay. *Jack is personal friends with DeVos, who was at the game last night, and asked if he could share this little story. The Bodyguard said "you can tell anybody you would like." So, *Jack went straight to DeVos himself at the game and started telling him what he had just heard. DeVos nodded the entire time and said that was an accurate story.

So there you have it, straight from both sides.

http://truebluenation.com/forum/index.p ... ntry661110

that's the stuff i'm talking about GM's being worried about. I'm sure the stuff staff and GM's and league insiders hear and know about players goes way beyond what fans would get to see. that's what i mean when i say he's a cancer. this type of stuff from your best player and a guy who claims to be your leader is abhorrent. character is what you do when you think nobody is watching.

and if you're thinking "well he's an all star obviously he should get a private jet", is that something worth doing all of this for? putting your team and your community "our city" through all of this? it's "my city" when the allstar game is here and it is fun. it's pretty clear this team is dedicated to winning and trying to do it, nobody's perfect. it's not like we haven't "gone in" for cp3 and signed him max free agents that got us to the finals etc. just because he is in this position now is he really saying "get my guys or i'm gone" knowing what we can realistically get right now? if he stays i'll be glad because his talent obviously makes our team better and gives us contention hopes, if he leaves i won't be sad. this is all really fascinating from a management standpoint, decision making, and how we will deal with this impossible situation.

Good stuff. I've always been envious of those bench side seats! Anyway, while I don't share your personal reaction to this (we need to pamper the hell out of Dwight imo), I do enjoy the insight. I can totally see Otis thinking he is bigger than Dwight and that the "tail shouldn't wag the dog". Hey, maybe because he actually said that! LMAO at Otis, his stock has just hit Enron levels for me.

WeAreVenom posted that a long time ago in Part XI
viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1159326&start=90
You can read users (including mine) responses to that in that link (they continue over to the next couple of pages).

[TSKD000]

^^^that is true about the draft pick but I'm just not sold on that team. Derpn and Howard BOTH thinking they are the # 1 option...."I am". "No I AM!". A lot can be said for good coaching and chemistry.

LOL Derpn

It was a TYPO. Sorry, DERON.

[kman1023]

i would be happy with marshon nj1st and okur and move on from this.

please just once, type about something other than a possible Nets trade.

[InFlames]

I knew there was a reason why I like Rose.

[Reverse_Angle]

i would be happy with marshon nj1st and okur and move on from this.

please just once, type about something other than a possible Nets trade.

sorry. its just how i've felt since december, im sure everyone is sick of it.

i know who you are.

[bonanz]

Good stuff. I've always been envious of those bench side seats! Anyway, while I don't share your personal reaction to this (we need to pamper the hell out of Dwight imo), I do enjoy the insight. I can totally see Otis thinking he is bigger than Dwight and that the "tail shouldn't wag the dog". Hey, maybe because he actually said that! LMAO at Otis, his stock has just hit Enron levels for me.

i'm not saying he shouldn't get it, he is a star of the highest proportions, but if those are the type of things that cause you to put your franchise and your city in this situation, it's just classless. as has been clear, this isn't about winning

[arsenal6106]

I think this team will play with more of a purpose if we do end up keeping this team pass the deadline.
Don't get me wrong, there will be distractions , but not to the extent of what we are currently dealing with..

The focus will be on getting ready for the playoffs, rather than where Dwight will be playing next year. <<<<<This only applies to our players.

[eyriq]

WeAreVenom posted that a long time ago in Part XI
viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1159326&start=90
You can read users (including mine) responses to that in that link (they continue over to the next couple of pages).

You, good sir, are amazing.