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Official Speculation Thread (Pt. LV - NBA Draft Edition)

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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. LV - NBA Draft Edition) 

Post#241 » by Truth24 » Sun Jun 9, 2013 7:32 pm

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The Orlando Magic have arrived... Matt Lloyd and Rob Hennigan just arrived after flight delays #adidasEurocamp


This is interesting because a lot of the big named euro's have pulled out or did not attend this years camp but there are a lot of interesting unknowns this year.

Oleksandr Lypovyy intrigues me the most because he was MVP of the camp last year he plays point guard primarily with a great ability to defend three positions. Today he measured at 6'8 and like always a 6'8 point is always a interesting idea. I wouldn't mind taking a look at Lypovvy in the second round.
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Post#242 » by Orlando Prodigy » Sun Jun 9, 2013 7:33 pm

Why is everybody wanting to trade with Minny for a potential bust in Williams, the 9th pick, and a late first in a weak draft? I'd rather trade the TPE for the 13th pick from the Mavs and absorb Carter's contract (then cut him)

Then trade Afflalo/Moore for Bledsoe/Butler

2nd: Victor Oladipo
13th: Shane Larkin

Bledsoe/Nelson/Larkin
Oladipo/Harkless
Harris/Butler
Davis/Nicholson
Vucevic/O'Quinn
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Post#243 » by Truth24 » Sun Jun 9, 2013 7:44 pm

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Post#244 » by Tayswagzzz » Sun Jun 9, 2013 7:45 pm

Orlando Prodigy wrote:Why is everybody wanting to trade with Minny for a potential bust in Williams, the 9th pick, and a late first in a weak draft? I'd rather trade the TPE for the 13th pick from the Mavs and absorb Carter's contract (then cut him)

Then trade Afflalo/Moore for Bledsoe/Butler

2nd: Victor Oladipo
13th: Shane Larkin

Bledsoe/Nelson/Larkin
Oladipo/Harkless
Harris/Butler
Davis/Nicholson
Vucevic/O'Quinn


Yeah I would NOT trade our pick in this draft. I like the idea of grabbing another pick for the TPE, or possibly another pick for the Wiggins draft class, and I like the idea of trading Afflalo for Bledsoe, and drafting McLemore. We still stay bad enough to be a lottery team for the Wiggins draft...which is ultimately IMO the biggest goal to becoming a dynasty and being a championship contending team for years and years and years.
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Post#245 » by rcklsscognition » Sun Jun 9, 2013 7:46 pm

Orlando Prodigy wrote:Why is everybody wanting to trade with Minny for a potential bust in Williams, the 9th pick, and a late first in a weak draft? I'd rather trade the TPE for the 13th pick from the Mavs and absorb Carter's contract (then cut him)

Then trade Afflalo/Moore for Bledsoe/Butler

2nd: Victor Oladipo
13th: Shane Larkin

Bledsoe/Nelson/Larkin
Oladipo/Harkless
Harris/Butler
Davis/Nicholson
Vucevic/O'Quinn


Some people think that they can get just as good or better players with the 9 as they could with the 2. I think a lot of it is blind faith in Henny to find the true gem of the draft with a lower pick.
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Post#246 » by Orlando Prodigy » Sun Jun 9, 2013 7:49 pm

Exactly, if the "talent difference isn't that drastic", why not keep our pick and go after the 13th? Can't be that much difference between 9 and 13.

Noel/Oladipo/McLemore are what we need. Whoever Henny sees as the best fit.
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Post#247 » by magicman112 » Sun Jun 9, 2013 7:50 pm

Truth24 wrote:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmWQ8MPqH-o[/youtube]


Reminds me a lot of J Will, that same aggressiveness and flair...
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Post#248 » by Orlando Prodigy » Sun Jun 9, 2013 7:50 pm

Also to add to my previous post...

Using the TPE for Thomas Robinson and the 13th pick > trading the SECOND PICK for the 9th/26th pick
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Post#249 » by Tayswagzzz » Sun Jun 9, 2013 7:52 pm

Orlando Prodigy wrote:Also to add to my previous post...

Using the TPE for Thomas Robinson and the 13th pick > trading the SECOND PICK for the 9th/26th pick


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Post#250 » by jgosche » Sun Jun 9, 2013 7:52 pm

Orlando Prodigy wrote:Why is everybody wanting to trade with Minny for a potential bust in Williams, the 9th pick, and a late first in a weak draft? I'd rather trade the TPE for the 13th pick from the Mavs and absorb Carter's contract (then cut him)

Then trade Afflalo/Moore for Bledsoe/Butler

2nd: Victor Oladipo
13th: Shane Larkin

Bledsoe/Nelson/Larkin
Oladipo/Harkless
Harris/Butler
Davis/Nicholson
Vucevic/O'Quinn

I feel as though that team would be very poor offensively, to put it lightly.
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Post#251 » by Mannchild » Sun Jun 9, 2013 8:28 pm

Its becoming more apparent to me that the cavs will either trade #1 or they will not be selecting Noel... i dont really think we would draft Noel but could see us moving the pick to someone who wants him. I would be really interested to see if Henny thinks Noel could play PF... i do not think he could but if management thinks he could then i think he should be our pick.
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Post#252 » by PeePee la Fritz » Sun Jun 9, 2013 8:40 pm

rcklsscognition wrote:
Orlando Prodigy wrote:Why is everybody wanting to trade with Minny for a potential bust in Williams, the 9th pick, and a late first in a weak draft? I'd rather trade the TPE for the 13th pick from the Mavs and absorb Carter's contract (then cut him)

Then trade Afflalo/Moore for Bledsoe/Butler

2nd: Victor Oladipo
13th: Shane Larkin

Bledsoe/Nelson/Larkin
Oladipo/Harkless
Harris/Butler
Davis/Nicholson
Vucevic/O'Quinn



Some people think that they can get just as good or better players with the 9 as they could with the 2. I think a lot of it is blind faith in Henny to find the true gem of the draft with a lower pick.



It's not blind faith on my part. I don't love Mac, Noel, or Dipo. And I'm all for asset acquisition, multiple picks equal more tradable assets long term. If you can land 2 lotto picks and a late 1st for 1 pick and tpe, I say you do it. There isn't enough separation of talent or can't miss prospects to not consider moving the 2nd pick
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Post#253 » by tiderulz » Sun Jun 9, 2013 9:04 pm

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Report: Bobcats looking to acquire Chris Bosh in trade for No.4 pick. http://cbsprt.co/118PBjW Guess they need a 3-point shooter.

The Charlotte Bobcats are “looking to make a splash” during the offseason and are open to trading their No. 4 overall draft pick in a package for a veteran star, according to The Boston Globe‘s Gary Washburn.

Miami Heat big man Chris Bosh could be a “prime candidate,” according to the report, as there are rumors that the Heat will look to trade Bosh and the Bobcats could take on his near-maximum contract.

“As much as Charlotte would love to build through the draft, team officials understand they have to start winning and need a player to be the face of the franchise. Bosh could serve that purpose,” Washburn writes.

The 29-year-old Bosh will make about $79 million over the next four seasons as part of his six-year, $109.8-million deal. The contract includes an early termination option in 2014 and a player option for the 2015-16 season.

Maryland center Alex Len, Indiana shooting guard Victor Oladipo, Michigan point guard Trey Burke and UNLV forward Anthony Bennett are expected to be in the mix at the No. 4 spot in the June 27 draft.

WTF? Is that legit?


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Post#254 » by dsg2021 » Sun Jun 9, 2013 9:05 pm

I haven't looked at Noel a ton yet but I know most observations say he got better and better for Kentucky through the season. Thats why there was more dissapointment with his injury and the post-tourney thoughts of missing Noel out there a lot. No good 1st half season against weaker comp and weaker play in the 2nd half like MCW. I think we end up with Noel now and he can easily play a switch role of being a C on offense but a PF on defense. Vucevic will space it out for him and Noel is no Dwight, Vucevic and Noel can get into the paint and be a force in offensive/defensive rebounding.

It would be more exciting to watch a guard like Trey Burke or Ben McLemore (or even 'Dipo, Porter) but I would be thrilled to have Noel at #2. I think he will put our defense back in the upper ranks soon.
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Post#255 » by Orlando Prodigy » Sun Jun 9, 2013 9:14 pm

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rcklsscognition wrote:
Orlando Prodigy wrote:Why is everybody wanting to trade with Minny for a potential bust in Williams, the 9th pick, and a late first in a weak draft? I'd rather trade the TPE for the 13th pick from the Mavs and absorb Carter's contract (then cut him)

Then trade Afflalo/Moore for Bledsoe/Butler

2nd: Victor Oladipo
13th: Shane Larkin

Bledsoe/Nelson/Larkin
Oladipo/Harkless
Harris/Butler
Davis/Nicholson
Vucevic/O'Quinn



Some people think that they can get just as good or better players with the 9 as they could with the 2. I think a lot of it is blind faith in Henny to find the true gem of the draft with a lower pick.



It's not blind faith on my part. I don't love Mac, Noel, or Dipo. And I'm all for asset acquisition, multiple picks equal more tradable assets long term. If you can land 2 lotto picks and a late 1st for 1 pick and tpe, I say you do it. There isn't enough separation of talent or can't miss prospects to not consider moving the 2nd pick


Sounds like blind faith. A lot of you are wanting MCW with the 9th. Which makes it awfully apparent that a large majority of you didn't watch any college ball this year if you'd trade a player like McLemore/Oladipo for a guy like MCW just because it will give us more assets.

The 26th pick in this draft probably won't be anyone special, but to most of you quantity is > quality.

We can acquire picks in other ways, no need to let Minny rob us in a trade to take their overpaid bust of a 2nd pick off their hands and a late first round pick in a weak draft. An early 2nd is more valuable than a late first.
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Post#256 » by Howard Cosell » Sun Jun 9, 2013 9:27 pm

Derrick Williams is not an overpaid bust. He won't find many minutes behind AK47 & Love next season. Derrick was at 17 per 36 last season and had a good second half of the season. Williams is a tweener who should be playing more PF but the Twolves have Love so he will again be forced to play the SF for little minutes. DW is not overpaid, he still has 2 seasons left of his rookie contract. I understand why Orlando wouldn't want to trade their pick for Williams + 9 + 26...there are many valid and good reasons. Orlando might find a better buyer, but Williams is not an overpaid bust.
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Post#257 » by Bensational » Sun Jun 9, 2013 9:44 pm

Orlando Prodigy wrote:Sounds like blind faith. A lot of you are wanting MCW with the 9th. Which makes it awfully apparent that a large majority of you didn't watch any college ball this year if you'd trade a player like McLemore/Oladipo for a guy like MCW just because it will give us more assets.

The 26th pick in this draft probably won't be anyone special, but to most of you quantity is > quality.

We can acquire picks in other ways, no need to let Minny rob us in a trade to take their overpaid bust of a 2nd pick off their hands and a late first round pick in a weak draft. An early 2nd is more valuable than a late first.


I think the prevailing thought is that if Hennigan looks at Noel/McLemore/Oladipo and thinks they are can't miss talents, then he will snap them up. But if he's not sold on them, and he prefers someone else (some assume McCollum, some assume MCW, but it could be anyone) and he thinks/knows that they will be available later in the lottery, and he can snag a couple extra assets at the same time, then he may as well do so.

Why spend a #2 pick on someone if they're not your favourite guy? Why draft someone #2 if they're expected to go further down?

D.Williams and the #9 could potentially be packaged for NOH/SAC's pick, too. So we could still look to jump up in the draft again.
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Post#258 » by Bensational » Sun Jun 9, 2013 9:46 pm

If Cavs want to win now, and they're building with an eye to lure LeBron back, what big men could they trade the #1 for? I feel like they need a big to partner with LeBron/Kyrie more than they need another wing.
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Post#259 » by RickB-Orlando » Sun Jun 9, 2013 10:15 pm

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Orlando Prodigy wrote:Sounds like blind faith. A lot of you are wanting MCW with the 9th. Which makes it awfully apparent that a large majority of you didn't watch any college ball this year if you'd trade a player like McLemore/Oladipo for a guy like MCW just because it will give us more assets.

The 26th pick in this draft probably won't be anyone special, but to most of you quantity is > quality.

We can acquire picks in other ways, no need to let Minny rob us in a trade to take their overpaid bust of a 2nd pick off their hands and a late first round pick in a weak draft. An early 2nd is more valuable than a late first.

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Why spend a #2 pick on someone if they're not your favourite guy? Why draft someone #2 if they're expected to go further down?
D.Williams and the #9 could potentially be packaged for NOH/SAC's pick, too. So we could still look to jump up in the draft again.


This is the essence of why we would trade down - the guy we rate at or near the top we expect others to pass on, allowing us to get additional assets and still nab someone from the top of our board. Still, the 26th pick isn't much better than a second rounder, and some might say its actually worse because it would be a guaranteed contract. If we were going to deal with Minny, I'd much rather see that switched to say a top ten protected pick in '14 or '15.
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Post#260 » by rcklsscognition » Sun Jun 9, 2013 10:33 pm

Bensational wrote:If Cavs want to win now, and they're building with an eye to lure LeBron back, what big men could they trade the #1 for? I feel like they need a big to partner with LeBron/Kyrie more than they need another wing.


Aldridge, Gortat, Asik, others probably.

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