2022-2023 Magic Trade and Free Agency Idea Thread III

[cedric76]

I think OG is perfect fit to this team

Can allow Franz to play SG on offense and SF on defense

I would do 6+11 + Denver FRP for OG+13

Fultz
OG
Franz
Paolo
WCJ

With suggs, Cole, Chuma, suggs, Moe,goga, JI and 13 from the bench

people keep saying this. I dont think Franz can play SG. and i would be hesitant to trade 3 firsts for OG and #13, when OG can walk after 1 year.

3 1st for OG and a 1st = 2 frp (and one of them will likely be a 27th ish pick)

[jonbob17]

Nuggets menaged to sign Jokic on not designed max exstension, that allowed them to resign Jamal and MPjr on designed maxes.

I expect them to move MPjr or Gordon at some point as salary reliefs, but they will probably by that point win at least 1 championship ( pretty much situation where Bucks are now, but doesn't really matter since they won chip ).

If Paolo makes allstar or all nba team that would skyrocket his designed max into Derrick Rose rule and he would be eligiable for +200M exstension in 5th year. That early sucess didn't do any good for Atlanta ( Trae ) and Dallas ( Luka).

Even if Denver had signed Jokic to a designated extension, it would have just meant they couldn't extend MPJ prior to his 4th season. Frankly it is what they should have anyways with a guy with his injury history.

Yah that Rose Rule wipes out some of the value on those rookie extensions. Especially for Atlanta.
Dallas, I wonder how much the whipsers of Luka wanting out are true. They really haven't done much with that roster to help him win.

[drsd]

So what you are saying with Denver and Milwaukee, you need a top 2 player in the league, probably top 10 of all time.

And-1

Last NBA titles had:
Curry *
Antetokounmpo
James/Davis
Leonard
Curry *
Curry *
James/Irving
Curry
Duncan/Leonard
James/Wade
James/Wade
Nowitzki
Bryant
Bryant
Garnett/Pierce
Duncan
O'Neal/Wade
Duncan

* = for me Thompson is not a top-10 player. But he will be a Hall of Famer.

The last time an NBA team won a title without having a top-10 player was 20-years ago: the Pistons.

[jonbob17]

So what you are saying with Denver and Milwaukee, you need a top 2 player in the league, probably top 10 of all time.

And-1

Last NBA titles had:
Curry *
Antetokounmpo
James/Davis
Leonard
Curry *
Curry *
James/Irving
Curry
Duncan/Leonard
James/Wade
James/Wade
Nowitzki
Bryant
Bryant
Garnett/Pierce
Duncan
O'Neal/Wade
Duncan

* = for me Thompson is not a top-10 player. But he will be a Hall of Famer.

The last time an NBA team won a title without having a top-10 player was 20-years ago: the Pistons.

Can Paolo become that guy? We've got 8 years of team control, potentially cost control, from here. If Paolo can get to top level NBA player by the time he turns 25, we are getting a huge discount on his production. I think Franz could end up being a top 15 level in terms of production. If Suggs can just knock down shots and play point of attack defense.
IF these two draft picks are solid or better rotation players.

That's going to be a tough team for some of these teams with super max(es) to deal with.

Getting lucky in this draft really would have put the stamp on this team, but the blue print is there. Just need these guys to develop in to the best versions of themselves. easier said than done I suppose

[Nyce_1]

I think OG is perfect fit to this team

Can allow Franz to play SG on offense and SF on defense

I would do 6+11 + Denver FRP for OG+13

Fultz
OG
Franz
Paolo
WCJ

With suggs, Cole, Chuma, suggs, Moe,goga, JI and 13 from the bench

I think I would do this. Need to talk to OG to see where his mental is, and how much he's seeking next deal.

[orlando_joe]

I think OG is perfect fit to this team

Can allow Franz to play SG on offense and SF on defense

I would do 6+11 + Denver FRP for OG+13

Fultz
OG
Franz
Paolo
WCJ

With suggs, Cole, Chuma, suggs, Moe,goga, JI and 13 from the bench

I think I would do this. Need to talk to OG to see where his mental is, and how much he's seeking next deal.

you could talk me into that for bane not og a true sg and 5 yrs control

[Nyce_1]

I think OG is perfect fit to this team

Can allow Franz to play SG on offense and SF on defense

I would do 6+11 + Denver FRP for OG+13

Fultz
OG
Franz
Paolo
WCJ

With suggs, Cole, Chuma, suggs, Moe,goga, JI and 13 from the bench

I think I would do this. Need to talk to OG to see where his mental is, and how much he's seeking next deal.

you could talk me into that for bane not og a true sg and 5 yrs control

For Bane, it's a no brainer.

[cedric76]

I think I would do this. Need to talk to OG to see where his mental is, and how much he's seeking next deal.

you could talk me into that for bane not og a true sg and 5 yrs control

For Bane, it's a no brainer.

Or vassell

[pepe1991]

I think I would do this. Need to talk to OG to see where his mental is, and how much he's seeking next deal.

you could talk me into that for bane not og a true sg and 5 yrs control

For Bane, it's a no brainer.

OG isn't SG but SF.

Bane is apsolute stud and on East lock to be allstar. He is also only untouchable Memphis player, especially because his behavior isn't like his teammate's thug wannabe

[cedric76]

you could talk me into that for bane not og a true sg and 5 yrs control

For Bane, it's a no brainer.

OG isn't SG but SF.

Bane is apsolute stud and on East lock to be allstar. He is also only untouchable Memphis player, especially because his behavior isn't like his teammate's thug wannabe

He isn't a SG? What does a SG do that SF can't do?

OG can defend SG or any other position for that matter, he even defended on jokic

Perfect next to Franz, Paolo and WCJ

With Paolo and Franz handling more and more the ball , you could use lineups like this:

Suggs
OG
Franz
Paolo
WCJ

[pepe1991]

For Bane, it's a no brainer.

OG isn't SG but SF.

Bane is apsolute stud and on East lock to be allstar. He is also only untouchable Memphis player, especially because his behavior isn't like his teammate's thug wannabe

He isn't a SG? What does a SG do that SF can't do?

OG can defend SG or any other position for that matter, he even defended on jokic

Perfect next to Franz, Paolo and WCJ

With Paolo and Franz handling more and more the ball , you could use lineups like this:

Suggs
OG
Franz
Paolo
WCJ

He is too stiff of ballhandler, very limited passer, can't and/or doesn't run any action as ballhandler and takes literally no jumpshots from mid range at all. Pretty much very, very similar player, both skills and habbit vise to Franz. Because they are both SFs.

Your proposed lineup would have zero perimeter creativity, zero mid range shooting capability and would require Banchero to work over time as half court offense provider. That lineup literally doesn't even have capable ballhandler. We just saw what happened to Celtics once Tatum-iso-solo-yolo offense couldn't work. Brown and Smart couldn't set offense to save their lifes as Celtics pathetic 84 points. game happend in game 7 of ECF. This is what happends when you force players into playing down ,when SG becomes PG and SF becomes SG ( and when backup PG over night becomes only capable ballhandler team has).

There is lot of theorethical talk how Banchero is "ballhandler" but we saw almost nothing of him in that regard. He was both mediocre as pick&roll big man and ballhandler and averaged 4 apg on 3 turnovers on what? 5th worst offense? That's far cry from some "new Lebron" , "big playmaker" scenario. Banchero can create for others , but shouldn't be main ballhandler, and will never be main ballhandler on great team.

Suggs is Smart in regard of incapability of running funcional offense ( that's one of reasons why Celtics were always looking for various Brogdons, Irvings, Whites, Walkers of a world , so they have any sort of actual creativity on perimeter)

[Skybox]

So many of these discussions lead me back to a (it seems) very gettable Simons. I like the idea that the frontcourt guys can manage a lot of the iso-creation, etc but you still need a solid ball handler. Simons could be that hybrid guard that handles well, gets the ball inside and still manages to score a very complementary 20+ ppg, largely from 3 and attacking closeouts. Put him next to Suggs and I do believe the defensive effort is contagious...Simons is super-athletic and long (and very young). Dame's a legend, but his defensive play isn't exactly a strong point.

If we could get Simons for 11 and Harris and/or cap space, we'd win the summer (if we don't blow #6). I'd even add DEN pick...Simons is not a good shooter, he's an effortless shooter from deep. I think in a more featured situation, he will blow up.

There are quite a few guys I like but Simons' combo of age, athleticism, elite shooting, and likely availability make him stand out. $25m is fine for his offensive production and potential. As much as I like FVV, I am concerned about price, age, efficiency and whether he'll even leave TOR. Simons would be a signal that we are transitioning into a more modern style of inside-out offense, IMO.

[jezzerinho]

People, we need ball movement. Even if we upgrade at PG, we still need a SG who can share the pill. We're not a transition team and we're not a 4-out shooting team. We're a halfcourt team who needs to work openings and then find the open guy.

We need better spacing for that, so shooting is important, but stationary perimeter wings, which is pretty much what we had with Harris, will just clog up the machine.

[eyriq]

So many of these discussions lead me back to a (it seems) very gettable Simons. I like the idea that the frontcourt guys can manage a lot of the iso-creation, etc but you still need a solid ball handler. Simons could be that hybrid guard that handles well, gets the ball inside and still manages to score a very complementary 20+ ppg, largely from 3 and attacking closeouts. Put him next to Suggs and I do believe the defensive effort is contagious...Simons is super-athletic and long (and very young). Dame's a legend, but his defensive play isn't exactly a strong point.

If we could get Simons for 11 and Harris and/or cap space, we'd win the summer (if we don't blow #6). I'd even add DEN pick...Simons is not a good shooter, he's an effortless shooter from deep. I think in a more featured situation, he will blow up.

There are quite a few guys I like but Simons' combo of age, athleticism, elite shooting, and likely availability make him stand out. $25m is fine for his offensive production and potential. As much as I like FVV, I am concerned about price, age, efficiency and whether he'll even leave TOR. Simons would be a signal that we are transitioning into a more modern style of inside-out offense, IMO.

Simons would be perfect. 11+ Harris is a good deal I think.

[djguevara114]

So many of these discussions lead me back to a (it seems) very gettable Simons. I like the idea that the frontcourt guys can manage a lot of the iso-creation, etc but you still need a solid ball handler. Simons could be that hybrid guard that handles well, gets the ball inside and still manages to score a very complementary 20+ ppg, largely from 3 and attacking closeouts. Put him next to Suggs and I do believe the defensive effort is contagious...Simons is super-athletic and long (and very young). Dame's a legend, but his defensive play isn't exactly a strong point.

If we could get Simons for 11 and Harris and/or cap space, we'd win the summer (if we don't blow #6). I'd even add DEN pick...Simons is not a good shooter, he's an effortless shooter from deep. I think in a more featured situation, he will blow up.

There are quite a few guys I like but Simons' combo of age, athleticism, elite shooting, and likely availability make him stand out. $25m is fine for his offensive production and potential. As much as I like FVV, I am concerned about price, age, efficiency and whether he'll even leave TOR. Simons would be a signal that we are transitioning into a more modern style of inside-out offense, IMO.

Only player from Portland I’d want is Sharpe… Would trade 6th pick and Denver 2025 1st to start (Hoping maybe they were enamored with twins and want them both)

[89Magicfan]

So many of these discussions lead me back to a (it seems) very gettable Simons. I like the idea that the frontcourt guys can manage a lot of the iso-creation, etc but you still need a solid ball handler. Simons could be that hybrid guard that handles well, gets the ball inside and still manages to score a very complementary 20+ ppg, largely from 3 and attacking closeouts. Put him next to Suggs and I do believe the defensive effort is contagious...Simons is super-athletic and long (and very young). Dame's a legend, but his defensive play isn't exactly a strong point.

If we could get Simons for 11 and Harris and/or cap space, we'd win the summer (if we don't blow #6). I'd even add DEN pick...Simons is not a good shooter, he's an effortless shooter from deep. I think in a more featured situation, he will blow up.

There are quite a few guys I like but Simons' combo of age, athleticism, elite shooting, and likely availability make him stand out. $25m is fine for his offensive production and potential. As much as I like FVV, I am concerned about price, age, efficiency and whether he'll even leave TOR. Simons would be a signal that we are transitioning into a more modern style of inside-out offense, IMO.

Only player from Portland I’d want is Sharpe… Would trade 6th pick and Denver 2025 1st to start (Hoping maybe they were enamored with twins and want them both)

Yeah but I think Portland probably considers him untouchable.

[djguevara114]

So many of these discussions lead me back to a (it seems) very gettable Simons. I like the idea that the frontcourt guys can manage a lot of the iso-creation, etc but you still need a solid ball handler. Simons could be that hybrid guard that handles well, gets the ball inside and still manages to score a very complementary 20+ ppg, largely from 3 and attacking closeouts. Put him next to Suggs and I do believe the defensive effort is contagious...Simons is super-athletic and long (and very young). Dame's a legend, but his defensive play isn't exactly a strong point.

If we could get Simons for 11 and Harris and/or cap space, we'd win the summer (if we don't blow #6). I'd even add DEN pick...Simons is not a good shooter, he's an effortless shooter from deep. I think in a more featured situation, he will blow up.

There are quite a few guys I like but Simons' combo of age, athleticism, elite shooting, and likely availability make him stand out. $25m is fine for his offensive production and potential. As much as I like FVV, I am concerned about price, age, efficiency and whether he'll even leave TOR. Simons would be a signal that we are transitioning into a more modern style of inside-out offense, IMO.

Only player from Portland I’d want is Sharpe… Would trade 6th pick and Denver 2025 1st to start (Hoping maybe they were enamored with twins and want them both)

Yeah but I think Portland probably considers him untouchable.

Harris, 6th, Denver 2025, and a 2025 Pick Swap with us? They had both twins in at same time for workout, maybe it can motivate them to try and get both… Could be a chance?

[Skybox]

Sharpe's probably more valuable overall, but I could Simons running a lot of point for us, playing PnR with our big wings.

I'd happily take Sharpe, but I don't think he's available. The "Simons is available" angle is the same as CJ/Dame...hopefully, they don't waste too many years waiting to figure out that two smaller guys with limited D don't fit. Sharpe/Dame has a ton of potential, IMO>

[89Magicfan]

Only player from Portland I’d want is Sharpe… Would trade 6th pick and Denver 2025 1st to start (Hoping maybe they were enamored with twins and want them both)

Yeah but I think Portland probably considers him untouchable.

Harris, 6th, Denver 2025, and a 2025 Pick Swap with us? They had both twins in at same time for workout, maybe it can motivate them to try and get both… Could be a chance?

Sharpe checks all the boxes you’d want at the SG spot. Plus he’s so young. If he gets even close to his potential, he’s probably a multi-time all star.

I just don’t see them giving him up.

I wanted to originally draft him at 1. I get why we went with Paolo but I was quite sold Sharpe at 1.

[VFX]

People need to lose the Vassell talk. He isn’t being moved. San Antonio has no reason to trade him in their position.

Not sure Bane is even in discussions either.

OG probably is. Simons probably as well.

Magic won’t be looking at shooting guards in trades depending on how the draft plays out. They should be looking at point guards and backup F’s. IF Isaac comes back he should be playing backup Center at this point.