Official 2025 Offseason Thread

[Knightro]

I love the Porzingis idea. Contracts with team options can be traded and Boston gets immediate cap relief by declining the options.

Respectfully, where would the Magic find 30M under the lux-tax to acquire Porziņģis?

They would be sending contracts out in the deal obviously.

[OrlandoDream]

Then get ready to give up TDS and multiple picks because were not getting many quality players without giving up some of those contracts.

This... On top of the fact he's going to be in his 3rd year and has 1 more year left on his contract (which puts the Magic in a precarious situation if he doesn't improve and you lost him at the height of his value this offseason on a reasonable contract if you dont move him now) and he still he looks far from a reliable rotational player for the Magic...

Plus, trading Tristan Da Silva, Jett Howard and picks won't be enough. Hell, Wendell Carter Jr. doesnt have as much value as Black currently. He's already 26 Years Old Big Man and an Average Center who won't improve much going forward.

Black will be the centerpiece of any deal for another scoring guard coming in. It would be very difficult to not include him given the other assets this team has.

Exactly…it’s a compliment…a lot of people on here have some idea that we need to trade away guys who “we’re fed up with” which is irrational. If anyone thinks we’re just going to jettison Cole, Isaac, KCP, Goga, whoever and somehow return the players of our dreams

Get ready to empty the pick stash and/or break into the cabinet of players we would like to keep…some of the same guys that have neutral to negative value today, would’ve had positive trade value previously (before latest paydays). I don’t know if it’ll be AB, but if not- it might have to be Suggs…hard for Weltman to move off KCP right after his “big signing” last summer…one of those three likely has to go if there’s an acquisition bigger than, say, Simons, Sexton or CJ, imo…pick(s) have to go, regardless - that’s not even an argument.

If he can’t get a bite, maybe it’s painful chopping of Moe, who could hold value, sadly as an expiring- due to his injury.

Strap in- it will be costly/painful or it will be inconsequential. He will do something- we’ll see how courageous. No sympathy here- he put himself in this weak position.

This offseason is perf example of the hard part of being an NBA GM. Fans and weltman have become attached to our players due to his philosophy. and for good reason. Its a feel good moment when you can retain the watch the players you draft, grow, get better and help the team win. Everyone would like to be like Warrior or OKC but that's an anomaly. Unfortunately, this roster no longer fits and its tome to break some apart.

Anthony Black is most likely to be included in a trade. I like him and think will be very solid NBA starter but his timeline just doesn't fit us anymore. We need to win now and while he has shown improvements, its not enough. We already have Suggs who while has his injury concerns, is locked in that contract and 3rd piece of trio. No I don't see AB making the suggs leap next season. Suggs since coming in the NBA had the shooting mechanics and ballhandling of a guard. AB has neither. He cant shoot and has poor handles for a guard. Defense is his calling card and that's what NBA teams see. Conversely, a lot of teams where we want these targets (SImmons, White, Poole, Hawks) are bad defensive teams so asking for a possible future nba defender in black is going to be a no-brainer. He is our biggest young trade piece at just 21yo.

TDS - Dont think he trade him. We actually need him. Showed he can be rotation player, shoot the ball, and make smart plays. Idc why Mosley cut him out of the rotation. With our cap situation he is going to be a key bench piece on that rookie contract. Also if franz or paolo get injured, he can step in as a backup. TDS has a lot of value here.

Jett, KCP, Goga - These guys have little to no value around the league. Jett doesn't look like an nba players and was a miss by weltman. KCP might have some value around the league as a veteran and defender but that contract wont be easy to move. Goga is a backup, maybe get a 2nd and salary match for him so better to hand on to him with Wendell's injury history.

The only untouchables here are Paolo/Franz/Suggs. Weltman is not gonna break up the trio before we see what they can do in healthy season.

[basketballRob]

So we need TDS, but we don't need Black. Then they call me an irrational poster

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[OrlandoDream]

So we need TDS, but we don't need Black. Then they call me an irrational poster

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AB is due for contract extension after next season. Unless we see him as suggs replacement(unlikely), we are not gonna be able to afford him. TDS at least provides shooting off the bench and a serviceable rotation forward on a rookie-scale contract. You don't get rid of that. Again I like Anthony Black, but he is expendable with Suggs here.

[eyriq]

You only consider trading AB in an all-star or superstar package IMO.

I suspect that we are targeting a starting guard, not a top 2 option, probably not even a top 3 option. They probably consider Suggs the third option?

The core of the offense will most likely be driven through Paolo, Franz, and Suggs. Maybe Suggs gets demoted in usage?

[fendilim]

How much will AB be worth though for his extension? I dont think he’ll be worth more than WCJ now. Especially as a guard with shaky shooting.

[basketballRob]

How much will AB be worth though for his extension? I dont think he’ll be worth more than WCJ now. Especially as a guard with shaky shooting.

It should be between $10 and 15m per year.

BTW, his trajectory is as high as Suggs. Black just came in at a younger age and was drafted by a playoff team where he didn't get the opportunity to do more.

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[OrlChamps2030]

How much will AB be worth though for his extension? I dont think he’ll be worth more than WCJ now. Especially as a guard with shaky shooting.

It should be between $10 and 15m per year.

BTW, his trajectory is as high as Suggs. Black just came in at a younger age and was drafted by a playoff team where he didn't get the opportunity to do more.

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So Black’s trajectory is just as high as Suggs’.. but he’s going to be making less than half as much as Suggs? Something isn’t adding up here.

BTW - there was plenty of opportunity for a guard to step up on this team. That’s weak. AB couldn’t outplay an ancient Cory Joseph at PG down the stretch.

[basketballRob]

So we need TDS, but we don't need Black. Then they call me an irrational poster

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AB is due for contract extension after next season. Unless we see him as suggs replacement(unlikely), we are not gonna be able to afford him. TDS at least provides shooting off the bench and a serviceable rotation forward on a rookie-scale contract. You don't get rid of that. Again I like Anthony Black, but he is expendable with Suggs here.

Da Silva isn't even in the rotation, and he's 3 years older than Black. It sounds like you're making the argument that he's better.

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[basketballRob]

How much will AB be worth though for his extension? I dont think he’ll be worth more than WCJ now. Especially as a guard with shaky shooting.

It should be between $10 and 15m per year.

BTW, his trajectory is as high as Suggs. Black just came in at a younger age and was drafted by a playoff team where he didn't get the opportunity to do more.

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So Black’s trajectory is just as high as Suggs’.. but he’s going to be making less than half as much as Suggs? Something isn’t adding up here.

BTW - there was plenty of opportunity for a guard to step up on this team. That’s weak. AB couldn’t outplay an ancient Cory Joseph at PG down the stretch.

Black came into the league 7 months younger. Also, I think Black played the role they gave him on a playoff team. He's improved his ballhandling from the beginning of the year to the end.

Black's trajectory is that he'll make small jumps in each of the next 2 seasons. Remember, he skipped his senior year of high school to enter college early. Suggs didn't do that.

Black's bigger jump will be after he signs an extension.



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[OrlChamps2030]

It should be between $10 and 15m per year.

BTW, his trajectory is as high as Suggs. Black just came in at a younger age and was drafted by a playoff team where he didn't get the opportunity to do more.

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So Black’s trajectory is just as high as Suggs’.. but he’s going to be making less than half as much as Suggs? Something isn’t adding up here.

BTW - there was plenty of opportunity for a guard to step up on this team. That’s weak. AB couldn’t outplay an ancient Cory Joseph at PG down the stretch.

Black came into the league 7 months younger. Also, I think Black played the role they gave him on a playoff team. He's improved his ballhandling from the beginning of the year to the end.

Black's trajectory is that he'll make small jumps in each of the next 2 seasons. Remember, he skipped his senior year of high school to enter college early. Suggs didn't do that.

Black's bigger jump will be after he signs an extension.



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Anthony Black played basketball his senior year of high school. That’s when he averaged 13.5 PPG.

What a reach anyways.. we’re talking about a NBA player’s second contract and you’re talking about his high school career and his birthday? So many excuses

[basketballRob]

So Black’s trajectory is just as high as Suggs’.. but he’s going to be making less than half as much as Suggs? Something isn’t adding up here.

BTW - there was plenty of opportunity for a guard to step up on this team. That’s weak. AB couldn’t outplay an ancient Cory Joseph at PG down the stretch.

Black came into the league 7 months younger. Also, I think Black played the role they gave him on a playoff team. He's improved his ballhandling from the beginning of the year to the end.

Black's trajectory is that he'll make small jumps in each of the next 2 seasons. Remember, he skipped his senior year of high school to enter college early. Suggs didn't do that.

Black's bigger jump will be after he signs an extension.



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Anthony Black played basketball his senior year of high school. That’s when he averaged 13.5 PPG.

What a reach anyways.. we’re talking about a NBA player’s second contract and you’re talking about his high school career and his birthday? So many excuses

Black played the majority of his college season at 18 and was the best player on a Sweet 16 team.

Excuses? I'm hearing how TDS is better than a player 3 years younger who was in the rotation all season.

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[Skybox]

Black came into the league 7 months younger. Also, I think Black played the role they gave him on a playoff team. He's improved his ballhandling from the beginning of the year to the end.

Black's trajectory is that he'll make small jumps in each of the next 2 seasons. Remember, he skipped his senior year of high school to enter college early. Suggs didn't do that.

Black's bigger jump will be after he signs an extension.



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Anthony Black played basketball his senior year of high school. That’s when he averaged 13.5 PPG.

What a reach anyways.. we’re talking about a NBA player’s second contract and you’re talking about his high school career and his birthday? So many excuses

Black played the majority of his college season at 18 and was the best player on a Sweet 16 team.

Excuses? I'm hearing how TDS is better than a player 3 years younger who was in the rotation all season.

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So, did he leave school a year early or not? You shouldn't make these statements as fact if you're always wrong...maybe start with "I think" or "I thought I heard somewhere" if you want to be taken seriously...or, fact-check yourself.

I'm kind of lazy, so I'll generally just start with "I think" if the data isn't right at hand.

[OrlChamps2030]

Black came into the league 7 months younger. Also, I think Black played the role they gave him on a playoff team. He's improved his ballhandling from the beginning of the year to the end.

Black's trajectory is that he'll make small jumps in each of the next 2 seasons. Remember, he skipped his senior year of high school to enter college early. Suggs didn't do that.

Black's bigger jump will be after he signs an extension.



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Anthony Black played basketball his senior year of high school. That’s when he averaged 13.5 PPG.

What a reach anyways.. we’re talking about a NBA player’s second contract and you’re talking about his high school career and his birthday? So many excuses

Black played the majority of his college season at 18 and was the best player on a Sweet 16 team.

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That doesn’t mean he skipped his senior year of high school?

Good for him though. Maybe Arkansas will retire his jersey. But we are in the year 2025 now and the Orlando Magic just lost to the Boston Celtics in the NBA playoffs.

[basketballRob]

Black skipped a year somewhere.

[Ducklett]

So we need TDS, but we don't need Black. Then they call me an irrational poster

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I was just sitting here thinking the same thing. AB took over the game in game 3 while TDS was unplayable.

[basketballRob]

So we need TDS, but we don't need Black. Then they call me an irrational poster

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I was just sitting here thinking the same thing. AB took over the game in game 3 while TDS was unplayable.

Peyton Pritchard also called the Magic's defense the best that they've faced. I assumed that was in the playoffs. Black guarded Pritchard a lot in the series.

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[RichCollab]

So we need TDS, but we don't need Black. Then they call me an irrational poster

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I was just sitting here thinking the same thing. AB took over the game in game 3 while TDS was unplayable.

Peyton Pritchard also called the Magic's defense the best that they've faced. I assumed that was in the playoffs. Black guarded Pritchard a lot in the series.

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Let’s end this absurd debate. Both are movable. AB has a better return.

I like AB but I’m trading him for a better shooter/ playmaker if it’s on the table.

[Knightro]

I have zero issue putting TDS into any deal. He's just a guy.

[basketballRob]

I was just sitting here thinking the same thing. AB took over the game in game 3 while TDS was unplayable.

Peyton Pritchard also called the Magic's defense the best that they've faced. I assumed that was in the playoffs. Black guarded Pritchard a lot in the series.

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Let’s end this absurd debate. Both are movable. AB has a better return.

I like AB but I’m trading him for a better shooter/ playmaker if it’s on the table.

We could trade Franz for Booker. He's a better shooter and then trade Moe for Cam Johnson.

Suggs
Booker
Cam
Paolo
Wendell

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