Official 2025 Offseason Thread

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Improved Franz 3pt form. Healthy Suggs. Improved AB. Slim and agile JI. Need to see all of that this year.

[Orlando Dawg]

The 2 main problems to solve:

1) upgrade the worst player in the starting lineup WCJ (center)
2) lack of NBA worthy backup SG (Black, Howard, Richardson are not worthy NBA players yet)

[jezzerinho]

The 2 main problems to solve:

1) upgrade the worst player in the starting lineup WCJ (center)
2) lack of NBA worthy backup SG (Black, Howard, Richardson are not worthy NBA players yet)

Disagree with both of these tbh.

If we need anything it's a SF - unless Tristan takes a step forward in mobility and offense.

[AdamTheGreek]

The 2 main problems to solve:

1) upgrade the worst player in the starting lineup WCJ (center)
2) lack of NBA worthy backup SG (Black, Howard, Richardson are not worthy NBA players yet)

Disagree with both of these tbh.

If we need anything it's a SF - unless Tristan takes a step forward in mobility and offense.

I don’t understand the mobility/quickness questioning with Tristan. He’s fine there, I don’t see an athleticism problem, he just was not healthy and hit a rookie wall the last 35 games. He’s Franz’s backup.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

The 2 main problems to solve:

1) upgrade the worst player in the starting lineup WCJ (center)
2) lack of NBA worthy backup SG (Black, Howard, Richardson are not worthy NBA players yet)

Disagree with both of these tbh.

If we need anything it's a SF - unless Tristan takes a step forward in mobility and offense.

would agree big time.. we don't have a backup SF right now unless the FO is willing to play Tyus & Bane/Suggs & AB together which is what I can see happening in spurts.

[SOUL]

I don’t understand the mobility/quickness questioning with Tristan. He’s fine there, I don’t see an athleticism problem, he just was not healthy and hit a rookie wall the last 35 games. He’s Franz’s backup.

I don't think he had mobility problems, but he 100% had strength problems as most rookies do. Was just way too easily moved against most SFs. That and he needs to finish around the rim. I think his shot will be good this year.

[jezzerinho]

I don’t understand the mobility/quickness questioning with Tristan. He’s fine there, I don’t see an athleticism problem, he just was not healthy and hit a rookie wall the last 35 games. He’s Franz’s backup.

I don't think he had mobility problems, but he 100% had strength problems as most rookies do. Was just way too easily moved against most SFs. That and he needs to finish around the rim. I think his shot will be good this year.

Defensively, I think he's falling between 2 stools a little at this early stage. Not fast twitch enough to stay with athletic wings, not muscular enough to bang with mature PFs. He's hardly alone in that but I wonder if his future is as a PF rather than a wing.

[RookieStar]

I don’t understand the mobility/quickness questioning with Tristan. He’s fine there, I don’t see an athleticism problem, he just was not healthy and hit a rookie wall the last 35 games. He’s Franz’s backup.

I don't think he had mobility problems, but he 100% had strength problems as most rookies do. Was just way too easily moved against most SFs. That and he needs to finish around the rim. I think his shot will be good this year.

I think its just that we saw so many wings just blow by him.

Which is fine since he is a rookie.

[sChOlaRlY_Magi]

Do we have enough Cap space for Bamba or Bol to be a 3rd stringer? I’d like their lanki-ness and mobility, especially if we play more transition off of steals and blocks this year.

[CarraT]

Do we have enough Cap space for Bamba or Bol to be a 3rd stringer? I’d like their lanki-ness and mobility, especially if we play more transition off of steals and blocks this year.

Right now we dont have the cap space to sign anyone. MAYBE if some numbers are not correctly reported, we can sign a rookie to a minimum contract, but not a veteran like Bol or Bamba.

[eyriq]

In: Bane, Tyus, Jase, Penda
Out: KCP, Cole, Harris, CoJo, Houstan

Very backcourt focused.

[mattdelray1220]

In: Bane, Tyus, Jase, Penda
Out: KCP, Cole, Harris, CoJo, Houstan

Very backcourt focused.

Did you think we would change out our forwards LOL!

[eyriq]

In: Bane, Tyus, Jase, Penda
Out: KCP, Cole, Harris, CoJo, Houstan

Very backcourt focused.

Did you think we would change out our forwards LOL!

Haha, fair point. Keeping the same forwards and bigs was always the safe bet.

[jonbob17]

Sounds like Beal is going to bought out. I guess they have to get under the apron, but they are going to be doing at the expense of their future caps....AND they don't own their picks...but that's Phoenix's problem

I love Bane. I think he was the perfect player for the Magic to add to this roster, when considering $ and the rest of it.

BUT Bane is very well compensated, that and the draft picks are why Memphis was willing to execute the deal.

The point is: it seems like teams are going to have to figure out how to build teams under the new cba, and there are more than one way to skin a cat, or so they say.

For instance, the Magic potentially could have added Porzingis and Beal for less money, and no first round picks....I am not saying that's better or worse...just different....its definitely better too. Dozens of other permutations too.

The Magic chose their path, and now we are kind of married to it for the next few years. The new CBA is supposed to even the league out, and punish the teams with $ advantages, but it seems like the opposite when you look at OKC and Indiana.

Look at the Celtics. They sold off their team for nothing to duck the cap, and now they might take a year off, and add Lillard to Tatum, Brown, White....for nothing. Watch them win the lottery next offseason.

[JoshuaPotter]

Sounds like Beal is going to bought out. I guess they have to get under the apron, but they are going to be doing at the expense of their future caps....AND they don't own their picks...but that's Phoenix's problem

I love Bane. I think he was the perfect player for the Magic to add to this roster, when considering $ and the rest of it.

BUT Bane is very well compensated, that and the draft picks are why Memphis was willing to execute the deal.

The point is: it seems like teams are going to have to figure out how to build teams under the new cba, and there are more than one way to skin a cat, or so they say.

For instance, the Magic potentially could have added Porzingis and Beal for less money, and no first round picks....I am not saying that's better or worse...just different....its definitely better too. Dozens of other permutations too.

The Magic chose their path, and now we are kind of married to it for the next few years. The new CBA is supposed to even the league out, and punish the teams with $ advantages, but it seems like the opposite when you look at OKC and Indiana.

Look at the Celtics. They sold off their team for nothing to duck the cap, and now they might take a year off, and add Lillard to Tatum, Brown, White....for nothing. Watch them win the lottery next offseason.

If a championship team has to retool through the draft then make it so.

The only counter point or add on I have is wondering if "long term" this means that elite players are the only ones with max or near max salaries. Think SGA, Lebron, Durant, Luka or anyone in MVP status. Because if you as a player take less of a pay grade, and win MVP then you become eligible for supermax. Just talking out loud.

Basically super teams are still not impossible. Players can adjust and then get a pay day per se. In a way you are almost seeing that with Boston.

[jonbob17]

Sounds like Beal is going to bought out. I guess they have to get under the apron, but they are going to be doing at the expense of their future caps....AND they don't own their picks...but that's Phoenix's problem

I love Bane. I think he was the perfect player for the Magic to add to this roster, when considering $ and the rest of it.

BUT Bane is very well compensated, that and the draft picks are why Memphis was willing to execute the deal.

The point is: it seems like teams are going to have to figure out how to build teams under the new cba, and there are more than one way to skin a cat, or so they say.

For instance, the Magic potentially could have added Porzingis and Beal for less money, and no first round picks....I am not saying that's better or worse...just different....its definitely better too. Dozens of other permutations too.

The Magic chose their path, and now we are kind of married to it for the next few years. The new CBA is supposed to even the league out, and punish the teams with $ advantages, but it seems like the opposite when you look at OKC and Indiana.

Look at the Celtics. They sold off their team for nothing to duck the cap, and now they might take a year off, and add Lillard to Tatum, Brown, White....for nothing. Watch them win the lottery next offseason.

If a championship team has to retool through the draft then make it so.

The only counter point or add on I have is wondering if "long term" this means that elite players are the only ones with max or near max salaries. Think SGA, Lebron, Durant, Luka or anyone in MVP status. Because if you as a player take less of a pay grade, and win MVP then you become eligible for supermax. Just talking out loud.

Basically super teams are still not impossible. Players can adjust and then get a pay day per se. In a way you are almost seeing that with Boston.

I think there should be a market correction away from max deals...but then again the Suns just extended Booker 2/145...

Then you have all these restricted free agents right now that can't get any money, because no teams have any cap space. Advantage to the team with the restricted rights:
Giddey
Quentin Grimes
Kuminga

There is definitely a chance for smart GMs to go moneyball on this new CBA and figure out how to win before everyone else. Let's hope it is the Magic's 4 rookie extensions strategy.

[Orlando Dawg]

I believe it’s possible in theory to have a roster of 14 players all making the max

[yoyojw17]

The 2 main problems to solve:

1) upgrade the worst player in the starting lineup WCJ (center)
2) lack of NBA worthy backup SG (Black, Howard, Richardson are not worthy NBA players yet)

Disagree with both of these tbh.

If we need anything it's a SF - unless Tristan takes a step forward in mobility and offense.

I don’t understand the mobility/quickness questioning with Tristan. He’s fine there, I don’t see an athleticism problem, he just was not healthy and hit a rookie wall the last 35 games. He’s Franz’s backup.

Oh..... And he was our 2nd best defender within 6 ft of the rim after JI last season. His ROOKIE season. Lol. He showed a lot of positives last season. Excited to see what steps he makes going forward this season.

And if he gives us 65% of what Franz can ... Which I think he is capable of.... I'm happy with it

[Orlando Dawg]

Disagree with both of these tbh.

If we need anything it's a SF - unless Tristan takes a step forward in mobility and offense.

I don’t understand the mobility/quickness questioning with Tristan. He’s fine there, I don’t see an athleticism problem, he just was not healthy and hit a rookie wall the last 35 games. He’s Franz’s backup.

Oh..... And he was our 2nd best defender within 6 ft of the rim after JI last season. His ROOKIE season. Lol. He showed a lot of positives last season. Excited to see what steps he makes going forward this season.

And if he gives us 65% of what Franz can ... Which I think he is capable of.... I'm happy with it

I’m not worried about Tristan after only one year he looks allright like he was born to play in the NBA

It’s the shooting guards:

Jett Howard is nothing
Jase Richardson is a 19-year old rookie
Anthony Black couldn’t start over CuJo and played completely worthless in the playoffs.

[basketballRob]

I don’t understand the mobility/quickness questioning with Tristan. He’s fine there, I don’t see an athleticism problem, he just was not healthy and hit a rookie wall the last 35 games. He’s Franz’s backup.

Oh..... And he was our 2nd best defender within 6 ft of the rim after JI last season. His ROOKIE season. Lol. He showed a lot of positives last season. Excited to see what steps he makes going forward this season.

And if he gives us 65% of what Franz can ... Which I think he is capable of.... I'm happy with it

I’m not worried about Tristan after only one year he looks allright like he was born to play in the NBA

It’s the shooting guards:

Jett Howard is nothing
Jase Richardson is a 19-year old rookie
Anthony Black couldn’t start over CuJo and played completely worthless in the playoffs.

That's a good point. I think Tristan has a shot to make the rotation this season. It'll be between Tristan and Penda for the last rotation spot.

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