Official 2025 Offseason Thread

[RichCollab]

Would love to dump Jett to another Team and sign a depth wing Amir Coffee for vet min.

Add Caleb as a two-way.

[Rainwater]

Perhaps not unexpected, but Mosley today during his TV interview certainly made it sound like they envision Da Silva to be in the rotation this season.

I think we all know that... we really have no one else as a backup "big" SF.

Yeah, he is the only option

[dsg2021]

Depth Chart -
From other people’s posts here, I also have TDS in the depth chart. It’s more Jase who’s in that very edge of kind of in the rotation but not really.
And Jase who is fighting TDS for minutes because AB is a sliding piece 1-to-3 to give the opening to either TDS or to Jase depending on defensive matchups and if any bench player (the said TDS, Jase, and etc.) is playing too good to be ignored.
I think AB is the safest because his defense is literally that insane and his potential is tantalizing with him only 21 years old all next season.
But the idea, the point, is that we have 19 and 20 and 21 year olds who just don’t have to rush into more difficult positions yet. AB can still be the PG of the future in 2 seasons because dude won’t even be 23 years old until then. Crazy.

Surprise Starter -
The more interesting thing that I am going to say is something else in a similar line of thought. It’s about a surprise starter. But I need to preface it.

a) Who has the more minutes and usually the closing minutes is telling of their overall impact. After all, one Minnesotan is fighting to not leave their peak yet, and the other one is still not even in his peak years yet.
b) From my view, we were hunting both NAW and Tyus this summer. To sign both. We tried to add quality shooting in the permanent rotation.
But we are stuck with Bane as the only starter who adds shooting. And Paolo and Franz are really young, 22 and 23. I think Coach is trying to lighten their load from running every single play. I mean, when it’s 4th quarter crunch time and these guys are like 25-28 year olds in their primes, they run it.
BUT.. but.. we might not try to force them into it every single play this season. Even if it’s to come down from those two star forwards running the 4th quarter play from 100% of the time to 75%, they will have new players to trust the ball in and how they quarterback it. And to give Paolo and Franz the ball in more interesting positions like touching the paint with no need for protecting a live dribble when looking at their attack options.
And most importantly, we might really need two starters who are proven snipers. Like the 40% kind. The ones that carry gravity. And will hit four or five 3’s to prove it.

So yes, Tyus Jones is my surprise pick for a starter on the team. And maybe even a few of the 4th quarter minutes even though he will usually never get to Jalen Suggs’ total minutes per game.

But the question will be in the execution. Can Mosely get them okay with rotating in and out of the starting spot depending on the games and series. Or will he pick one to start permanently from game 1 to game 108, and then have the matchups dictate which one steals more minutes than normally.
When will having two-way elite defenders matter more than elite snipers (and vice versa) since Paolo and Franz are quarterbacking everything 75-100% of the time anyways.
But if the Magic want to protect Suggs’ 200% motor with like 4-8 minutes less than we were expecting, and add true spacing to the team (which is 90% the starters, not a 12th man), then maybe the surprise is we are taking Tyus’ two seasons left in his peak as the starting PG on the team and at 26 MPG instead of like 18 MPG.

[BadMofoPimp]

There is zero chance Tyus starts over Suggs.

[Orl_Magic]

Perhaps not unexpected, but Mosley today during his TV interview certainly made it sound like they envision Da Silva to be in the rotation this season.

Yeah I caught that too! He said " His ability to step up and play is going to be big for us."

[BadMofoPimp]

Perhaps not unexpected, but Mosley today during his TV interview certainly made it sound like they envision Da Silva to be in the rotation this season.

Yeah I caught that too! He said " His ability to step up and play is going to be big for us."

Oh yeah. TDS gonna provem all wrong!!!

[Orl_Magic]

Calab sucks how many 0-5 games he have for us? Give his minutes to Jett

Caleb had zero 0-5 games last season.

He also had zero 0-4 games.

He did have four 0-3 games.

He also had seven games where he made at least three 3PT.

Oh sorry month of Jan where he logged big mins. 1-6, 2-7, 1-4, 3-10, 1-4,1-4,0-3,0-3. We lost 10 games that month. The guy's not reliable. I wouldn't trade Jett who has more to his game to clear space to bring him back.

[BadMofoPimp]

Calab sucks how many 0-5 games he have for us? Give his minutes to Jett

Caleb had zero 0-5 games last season.

He also had zero 0-4 games.

He did have four 0-3 games.

He also had seven games where he made at least three 3PT.

Oh sorry month of Jan where he logged big mins. 1-6, 2-7, 1-4, 3-10, 1-4,1-4,0-3,0-3. We lost 10 games that month. The guy's not reliable. I wouldn't trade Jett who has more to his game to clear space to bring him back.

If it came between retaining Caleb over Jett, I would do it 10 times out of 10. Jett shot 37% with 29.6% from 3 while Caleb provided 42% with 40% from 3 while provided superior defense over Jett with more assists, rebounds and steals. No brainer.

[T-Cat]

Ahh memories!

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[Knightro]

Ahh memories!

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If only they had let his wife fly on the team plane!

[tiderulz]

Depth Chart -
From other people’s posts here, I also have TDS in the depth chart. It’s more Jase who’s in that very edge of kind of in the rotation but not really.
And Jase who is fighting TDS for minutes because AB is a sliding piece 1-to-3 to give the opening to either TDS or to Jase depending on defensive matchups and if any bench player (the said TDS, Jase, and etc.) is playing too good to be ignored.
I think AB is the safest because his defense is literally that insane and his potential is tantalizing with him only 21 years old all next season.
But the idea, the point, is that we have 19 and 20 and 21 year olds who just don’t have to rush into more difficult positions yet. AB can still be the PG of the future in 2 seasons because dude won’t even be 23 years old until then. Crazy.

Surprise Starter -
The more interesting thing that I am going to say is something else in a similar line of thought. It’s about a surprise starter. But I need to preface it.

a) Who has the more minutes and usually the closing minutes is telling of their overall impact. After all, one Minnesotan is fighting to not leave their peak yet, and the other one is still not even in his peak years yet.
b) From my view, we were hunting both NAW and Tyus this summer. To sign both. We tried to add quality shooting in the permanent rotation.
But we are stuck with Bane as the only starter who adds shooting. And Paolo and Franz are really young, 22 and 23. I think Coach is trying to lighten their load from running every single play. I mean, when it’s 4th quarter crunch time and these guys are like 25-28 year olds in their primes, they run it.
BUT.. but.. we might not try to force them into it every single play this season. Even if it’s to come down from those two star forwards running the 4th quarter play from 100% of the time to 75%, they will have new players to trust the ball in and how they quarterback it. And to give Paolo and Franz the ball in more interesting positions like touching the paint with no need for protecting a live dribble when looking at their attack options.
And most importantly, we might really need two starters who are proven snipers. Like the 40% kind. The ones that carry gravity. And will hit four or five 3’s to prove it.

So yes, Tyus Jones is my surprise pick for a starter on the team. And maybe even a few of the 4th quarter minutes even though he will usually never get to Jalen Suggs’ total minutes per game.

But the question will be in the execution. Can Mosely get them okay with rotating in and out of the starting spot depending on the games and series. Or will he pick one to start permanently from game 1 to game 108, and then have the matchups dictate which one steals more minutes than normally.
When will having two-way elite defenders matter more than elite snipers (and vice versa) since Paolo and Franz are quarterbacking everything 75-100% of the time anyways.
But if the Magic want to protect Suggs’ 200% motor with like 4-8 minutes less than we were expecting, and add true spacing to the team (which is 90% the starters, not a 12th man), then maybe the surprise is we are taking Tyus’ two seasons left in his peak as the starting PG on the team and at 26 MPG instead of like 18 MPG.

sorry, they arent benching Suggs and starting Jones, unless Suggs is still hurt.

[sChOlaRlY_Magi]

Depth Chart -
From other people’s posts here, I also have TDS in the depth chart. It’s more Jase who’s in that very edge of kind of in the rotation but not really.
And Jase who is fighting TDS for minutes because AB is a sliding piece 1-to-3 to give the opening to either TDS or to Jase depending on defensive matchups and if any bench player (the said TDS, Jase, and etc.) is playing too good to be ignored.
I think AB is the safest because his defense is literally that insane and his potential is tantalizing with him only 21 years old all next season.
But the idea, the point, is that we have 19 and 20 and 21 year olds who just don’t have to rush into more difficult positions yet. AB can still be the PG of the future in 2 seasons because dude won’t even be 23 years old until then. Crazy.

Surprise Starter -
The more interesting thing that I am going to say is something else in a similar line of thought. It’s about a surprise starter. But I need to preface it.

a) Who has the more minutes and usually the closing minutes is telling of their overall impact. After all, one Minnesotan is fighting to not leave their peak yet, and the other one is still not even in his peak years yet.
b) From my view, we were hunting both NAW and Tyus this summer. To sign both. We tried to add quality shooting in the permanent rotation.
But we are stuck with Bane as the only starter who adds shooting. And Paolo and Franz are really young, 22 and 23. I think Coach is trying to lighten their load from running every single play. I mean, when it’s 4th quarter crunch time and these guys are like 25-28 year olds in their primes, they run it.
BUT.. but.. we might not try to force them into it every single play this season. Even if it’s to come down from those two star forwards running the 4th quarter play from 100% of the time to 75%, they will have new players to trust the ball in and how they quarterback it. And to give Paolo and Franz the ball in more interesting positions like touching the paint with no need for protecting a live dribble when looking at their attack options.
And most importantly, we might really need two starters who are proven snipers. Like the 40% kind. The ones that carry gravity. And will hit four or five 3’s to prove it.

So yes, Tyus Jones is my surprise pick for a starter on the team. And maybe even a few of the 4th quarter minutes even though he will usually never get to Jalen Suggs’ total minutes per game.

But the question will be in the execution. Can Mosely get them okay with rotating in and out of the starting spot depending on the games and series. Or will he pick one to start permanently from game 1 to game 108, and then have the matchups dictate which one steals more minutes than normally.
When will having two-way elite defenders matter more than elite snipers (and vice versa) since Paolo and Franz are quarterbacking everything 75-100% of the time anyways.
But if the Magic want to protect Suggs’ 200% motor with like 4-8 minutes less than we were expecting, and add true spacing to the team (which is 90% the starters, not a 12th man), then maybe the surprise is we are taking Tyus’ two seasons left in his peak as the starting PG on the team and at 26 MPG instead of like 18 MPG.

sorry, they arent benching Suggs and starting Jones, unless Suggs is still hurt.

I don't disagree, however, imagine JS & AB feasting on other's 2nd units.

[dsg2021]

sorry, they arent benching Suggs and starting Jones, unless Suggs is still hurt.

Suggs is like a top 2 or 3 favorite player on the team for me. I'm just saying it makes some sense, and it also comes from a couple people I spoke with who played high level, coached high level. I guess I could ask a friend who was an NBA scout next but I rarely talk basketball with him.

Desmond Bane has a bad shooting night, and we look exactly the same as the KCP Magic, except that KCP defends a little better than Bane. Tyus Jones is the insurance to that. Two elite shooters cover for Franz and Paolo.

Suggs is not afraid to shoot like 8 3PA's in a game, and more 3's than all 2's. His FT% even reached 88% last season. He will get there too. But if it's not like 36% or higher this particular season, the idea is there to start Tyus Jones while having Suggs still get more minutes overall. I mentioned it is very matchup dependent too, that's why I was wondering how Mosely might execute that. Maybe it's just Suggs starts no matter what, but some adjustments of 3-6 of his minutes going the other way to Tyus. Perhaps it is Tyus who starts no matter what, but he cooks with only 16-20 MPG.

[tiderulz]

Depth Chart -
From other people’s posts here, I also have TDS in the depth chart. It’s more Jase who’s in that very edge of kind of in the rotation but not really.
And Jase who is fighting TDS for minutes because AB is a sliding piece 1-to-3 to give the opening to either TDS or to Jase depending on defensive matchups and if any bench player (the said TDS, Jase, and etc.) is playing too good to be ignored.
I think AB is the safest because his defense is literally that insane and his potential is tantalizing with him only 21 years old all next season.
But the idea, the point, is that we have 19 and 20 and 21 year olds who just don’t have to rush into more difficult positions yet. AB can still be the PG of the future in 2 seasons because dude won’t even be 23 years old until then. Crazy.

Surprise Starter -
The more interesting thing that I am going to say is something else in a similar line of thought. It’s about a surprise starter. But I need to preface it.

a) Who has the more minutes and usually the closing minutes is telling of their overall impact. After all, one Minnesotan is fighting to not leave their peak yet, and the other one is still not even in his peak years yet.
b) From my view, we were hunting both NAW and Tyus this summer. To sign both. We tried to add quality shooting in the permanent rotation.
But we are stuck with Bane as the only starter who adds shooting. And Paolo and Franz are really young, 22 and 23. I think Coach is trying to lighten their load from running every single play. I mean, when it’s 4th quarter crunch time and these guys are like 25-28 year olds in their primes, they run it.
BUT.. but.. we might not try to force them into it every single play this season. Even if it’s to come down from those two star forwards running the 4th quarter play from 100% of the time to 75%, they will have new players to trust the ball in and how they quarterback it. And to give Paolo and Franz the ball in more interesting positions like touching the paint with no need for protecting a live dribble when looking at their attack options.
And most importantly, we might really need two starters who are proven snipers. Like the 40% kind. The ones that carry gravity. And will hit four or five 3’s to prove it.

So yes, Tyus Jones is my surprise pick for a starter on the team. And maybe even a few of the 4th quarter minutes even though he will usually never get to Jalen Suggs’ total minutes per game.

But the question will be in the execution. Can Mosely get them okay with rotating in and out of the starting spot depending on the games and series. Or will he pick one to start permanently from game 1 to game 108, and then have the matchups dictate which one steals more minutes than normally.
When will having two-way elite defenders matter more than elite snipers (and vice versa) since Paolo and Franz are quarterbacking everything 75-100% of the time anyways.
But if the Magic want to protect Suggs’ 200% motor with like 4-8 minutes less than we were expecting, and add true spacing to the team (which is 90% the starters, not a 12th man), then maybe the surprise is we are taking Tyus’ two seasons left in his peak as the starting PG on the team and at 26 MPG instead of like 18 MPG.

sorry, they arent benching Suggs and starting Jones, unless Suggs is still hurt.

I don't disagree, however, imagine JS & AB feasting on other's 2nd units.

those 2nd units that play 15-20 mpg? i would rather imagine Suggs and Bane causing disruption with the starters.

[tiderulz]

sorry, they arent benching Suggs and starting Jones, unless Suggs is still hurt.

Suggs is like a top 2 or 3 favorite player on the team for me. I'm just saying it makes some sense, and it also comes from a couple people I spoke with who played high level, coached high level. I guess I could ask a friend who was an NBA scout next but I rarely talk basketball with him.

Desmond Bane has a bad shooting night, and we look exactly the same as the KCP Magic, except that KCP defends a little better than Bane. Tyus Jones is the insurance to that. Two elite shooters cover for Franz and Paolo.

Suggs is not afraid to shoot like 8 3PA's in a game, and more 3's than all 2's. His FT% even reached 88% last season. He will get there too. But if it's not like 36% or higher this particular season, the idea is there to start Tyus Jones while having Suggs still get more minutes overall. I mentioned it is very matchup dependent too, that's why I was wondering how Mosely might execute that. Maybe it's just Suggs starts no matter what, but some adjustments of 3-6 of his minutes going the other way to Tyus. Perhaps it is Tyus who starts no matter what, but he cooks with only 16-20 MPG.

do you think Jones is a better player than Suggs? I dont. i dont think the league thinks that either. It doesnt make sense to me at all to bench the better player. I think people trying to get too cute sometimes with lineups and playing time. You play your best players, period. Jones is an undersized PG that shoots the 3 well and takes care of the ball, but thats it.

[bigdogdylan5]

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Saw this interview with Cuban and it’s really interesting with the Franz situation. They are talking about the Olympics and I wish our front office would grow a back bone here and tell him no. His extension is kicking in and he now makes 25% of our cap. We are going all in to win now and we need him healthy. Like the Olympics is one thing but playing Eurobasket is insane for the risk with how important he is now.

[pepe1991]

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Saw this interview with Cuban and it’s really interesting with the Franz situation. They are talking about the Olympics and I wish our front office would grow a back bone here and tell him no. His extension is kicking in and he now makes 25% of our cap. We are going all in to win now and we need him healthy. Like the Olympics is one thing but playing Eurobasket is insane for the risk with how important he is now.

It's same league where 18 years old refuse to do pre draft workouts because they want to handpick teams to play for (Ace Bailey) and in same league where rookies sign 4 years contracts and play some pickup "summer games"?
What makes Eurobasket any worst than summer league? Like, i'm watching SL and people are literally killing each other on every drive because teams are filled with 27 years old bums that can't play anywhere in the world. So they treat every ball like it' last in their life. Who will pay for damage if some idiot pushes Flagg and he breaks leg?

If you want to burn relationship with player fastest way to do it is tell him what he can't do in his free time .

[jezzerinho]

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Saw this interview with Cuban and it’s really interesting with the Franz situation. They are talking about the Olympics and I wish our front office would grow a back bone here and tell him no. His extension is kicking in and he now makes 25% of our cap. We are going all in to win now and we need him healthy. Like the Olympics is one thing but playing Eurobasket is insane for the risk with how important he is now.

Hilarious take. This is among the highest honours and privileges for a European player with any sense of patriotism. You don't have to approve if you don't want, but that won't prevent players from wanting ro represent their nation.

[RichCollab]

It’s a benefit for Franz development and always has been.

[dsg2021]

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Saw this interview with Cuban and it’s really interesting with the Franz situation. They are talking about the Olympics and I wish our front office would grow a back bone here and tell him no. His extension is kicking in and he now makes 25% of our cap. We are going all in to win now and we need him healthy. Like the Olympics is one thing but playing Eurobasket is insane for the risk with how important he is now.

I get where the players come from. National pride is 100x bigger outside the U.S.