2012 Orland Magic NBA draft thread ...

[Neon1]

We need a young wing scorer that can create his own shot and a high flyer.

Can we get one at pick 19?

SG/PG 6-4 Austin Rivers Duke *probably gone
http://nbadraft.net/players/austin-rivers
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Austin-Rivers-5743/
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Kb2ZDv8lBc[/youtube]

SG 6-7 Kevin Murphy Tennessee State
http://nbadraft.net/players/kevin-murphy
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Kevin-Murphy-17023/
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KSyZuzXeYo[/youtube]

SG 6-6 Will Barton Memphis
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Will-Barton-5737/
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOVzQRwsmMA[/youtube]

[Neon1]

If a player like Austin Rivers doesn't slip to #19...

I try to trade back with Cleveland for #24,#33 giving up #19 and either #49 or a player or a future pick.

#24 take the best PG available Teague/Taylor/Wroten

#33 take either SG Kevin Martin or SG Will Barton

[ChildishGambino]

With Nelson reportedly not picking up that option then don't we have to go for a PG? Marshall will be gone....don't really like him anyways....pure passing point but not much else.....I really like Teague....Just as fast and athletic as his brother but much more of a point guard than Jeff......If Marquis is there we got to take him....he would basically be our starter....Wroten isn't bad either...i like his size...to me he's like a rodney Stuckey type player but with better handles....I want our team to head in the more up tempo type offense and for that we need a point that can push the pace....so it's Teague for me.....

[Nemesis21]

With Nelson reportedly not picking up that option then don't we have to go for a PG? Marshall will be gone....don't really like him anyways....pure passing point but not much else.....I really like Teague....Just as fast and athletic as his brother but much more of a point guard than Jeff......If Marquis is there we got to take him....he would basically be our starter....Wroten isn't bad either...i like his size...to me he's like a rodney Stuckey type player but with better handles....I want our team to head in the more up tempo type offense and for that we need a point that can push the pace....so it's Teague for me.....

Don't get why people don't like Marshall because he is not a scoring threat. Don't need him to be. He is the type of PG this team has been looking for since drafting Dwight.

[arkknight1988]

wroten is 6'5 with great handles. i'll take him over teague

[ChildishGambino]

With Nelson reportedly not picking up that option then don't we have to go for a PG? Marshall will be gone....don't really like him anyways....pure passing point but not much else.....I really like Teague....Just as fast and athletic as his brother but much more of a point guard than Jeff......If Marquis is there we got to take him....he would basically be our starter....Wroten isn't bad either...i like his size...to me he's like a rodney Stuckey type player but with better handles....I want our team to head in the more up tempo type offense and for that we need a point that can push the pace....so it's Teague for me.....

Don't get why people don't like Marshall because he is not a scoring threat. Don't need him to be. He is the type of PG this team has been looking for since drafting Dwight.

me personally i just don't like him....that being said he can really pass the ball....purest point in the draft....BUT....All he really can do is pass....his measurables isn't really great as well from what i hear....6"4 with a 6"4 wingspan....barely any athleticism....i mean even though Rajon Rondo is not really a great offensive player he's got the athleticism to back his game up....passing is all Marshall got.....

But don't get it twisted he is talented......i just think our team should get like a Westbrook type PG.....Teague fits that bill....Wroten does as well but to a lesser extent....But we'll have a better idea when the draft combine and all that stuff comes around.....i just hope we have a new GM and coach before then.....i would hate to go into another draft with Otis....he just picks at random it seems.....

[Nemesis21]

With Nelson reportedly not picking up that option then don't we have to go for a PG? Marshall will be gone....don't really like him anyways....pure passing point but not much else.....I really like Teague....Just as fast and athletic as his brother but much more of a point guard than Jeff......If Marquis is there we got to take him....he would basically be our starter....Wroten isn't bad either...i like his size...to me he's like a rodney Stuckey type player but with better handles....I want our team to head in the more up tempo type offense and for that we need a point that can push the pace....so it's Teague for me.....

Don't get why people don't like Marshall because he is not a scoring threat. Don't need him to be. He is the type of PG this team has been looking for since drafting Dwight.

me personally i just don't like him....that being said he can really pass the ball....purest point in the draft....BUT....All he really can do is pass....his measurables isn't really great as well from what i hear....6"4 with a 6"4 wingspan....barely any athleticism....i mean even though Rajon Rondo is not really a great offensive player he's got the athleticism to back his game up....passing is all Marshall got.....

But don't get it twisted he is talented......i just think our team should get like a Westbrook type PG.....Teague fits that bill....Wroten does as well but to a lesser extent....But we'll have a better idea when the draft combine and all that stuff comes around.....i just hope we have a new GM and coach before then.....i would hate to go into another draft with Otis....he just picks at random it seems.....

Agreed.

[ChildishGambino]

Marquis Teague.....Vid shows the whole array of skills....dude is a better passer than i thought.....
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN-7AGWvdKA[/youtube]

Tony Wroten.....I can see the Tyreke Evans comparison.....
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77KHufejD1Y[/youtube]

[tiderulz]

[quote="Nemesis21]
This is about Jones, taken form the link CB provided.

Magic Outlook: Listen. This is my problem with the Magic drafting Terrence Jones: He is Earl Clark. You can read the pre-draft breakdowns of the two players and it is practically copy/paste. Jones: Tweener forward Clark: Tweener forward, Jones: 6'9" Clark: 6'10.5", Jones: 7'2" wingspan Clark: 7'2.5" wingspan, college 3pt% Jones: 32.7% Clark: 32.6%. It's ridiculous. Points, rebounds, all the same. So drafting Jones is basically drafting Baby Clark in the hopes that this version is better able to develop a jumpshot. It doesn't sound worth using the 19th pick to run that experiment to me.[/quote]

I read it, i just don't completely agree.

I wouldnt take him over one of the top PG's or SG's if they were available, but i don't feel like he would not be a "bad" pick. I would definately take him over a guy like Mo Harkless (i know many are high on him) who i really see as a more raw Hakim Warrick. I just don't see Harkless as a guy that will ever be a go to scorer type, which is what i think most people here are hoping he is/would be for us. He just doesn't have the game to create anything imo. I don't think Jones will either mind you, but Jones can at least be a good Marvin Williams type of PF/SF. Harkless imo will forever be stuck between SF/PF while not being good enough to play either one very well.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kegKtgRMEjI[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlfAKwOOA_w[/youtube][/quote][/quote]


I disagree, I think most of us want Harkless, because of his potential to be a very good to elite perimeter defender. I know that's why I'd want him.[/quote]

Harkness actually sounds like Batum. about same size, thought of as a developing player that needs to develop an offensive game too.

[NickAnderson]

I seriously doubt Teauge or Marshall fall that low, would be nice but doubt it.

[Just Plain Mark]

Terrence Jones was benched and called out by Calipari (who said "Jones gave us nothing") and his ball handling is worse than Harkless' (who's no Steve Nash himself). I think the Magic have to improve signficantly offensively at the 1-3 spots (I don't think the Magic can get much worse defensively than Nelson, J Rich and Hedo). Particularly, I think the Magic need 1-3's that can handle the ball better and penetrate.

I don't know exactly what the draft strategy should be to accomplish the goal of improved dribble drive - Damon Lillard is probably the best penetrator/ball handler that will be in the Magic's range. I'm not sold at all on Rivers - he's undersized and I don't think he's athletic enough to go by good NBA SG's. I think Harkless would be a decent pick to improve the SF position on both sides of the ball, but he may turn into a rich man's Trevor Ariza and that's not enough to overcome the Magic's offensive woes in the playoffs.

Wroten is one handed, Marshall can't score or defend, and Teague doesn't really run an offense very well. Not a great draft for teams needing dribble drive skill.

[Nemesis21]

[quote="Nemesis21]
This is about Jones, taken form the link CB provided.

Magic Outlook: Listen. This is my problem with the Magic drafting Terrence Jones: He is Earl Clark. You can read the pre-draft breakdowns of the two players and it is practically copy/paste. Jones: Tweener forward Clark: Tweener forward, Jones: 6'9" Clark: 6'10.5", Jones: 7'2" wingspan Clark: 7'2.5" wingspan, college 3pt% Jones: 32.7% Clark: 32.6%. It's ridiculous. Points, rebounds, all the same. So drafting Jones is basically drafting Baby Clark in the hopes that this version is better able to develop a jumpshot. It doesn't sound worth using the 19th pick to run that experiment to me.[/quote]

I read it, i just don't completely agree.

I wouldnt take him over one of the top PG's or SG's if they were available, but i don't feel like he would not be a "bad" pick. I would definately take him over a guy like Mo Harkless (i know many are high on him) who i really see as a more raw Hakim Warrick. I just don't see Harkless as a guy that will ever be a go to scorer type, which is what i think most people here are hoping he is/would be for us. He just doesn't have the game to create anything imo. I don't think Jones will either mind you, but Jones can at least be a good Marvin Williams type of PF/SF. Harkless imo will forever be stuck between SF/PF while not being good enough to play either one very well.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kegKtgRMEjI[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlfAKwOOA_w[/youtube][/quote][/quote]


I disagree, I think most of us want Harkless, because of his potential to be a very good to elite perimeter defender. I know that's why I'd want him.[/quote][/quote][/quote]

Harkness actually sounds like Batum. about same size, thought of as a developing player that needs to develop an offensive game too.[/quote]

I forget which mock site it was, but they had his player comparison as Nicholas Batum/James Posey.

[MoMM]

I think Harkless would be a decent pick to improve the SF position on both sides of the ball, but he may turn into a rich man's Trevor Ariza and that's not enough to overcome the Magic's offensive woes in the playoffs.

I'd say that picking a rich man's Ariza with #19 is pretty good, IMO.

[Just Plain Mark]

I think Harkless would be a decent pick to improve the SF position on both sides of the ball, but he may turn into a rich man's Trevor Ariza and that's not enough to overcome the Magic's offensive woes in the playoffs.

I'd say that picking a rich man's Ariza with #19 is pretty good, IMO.

A rich man's Ariza at #19 would be good, but would a move up to one of Houston's two picks be better? Or what about a move down to the early second round to avoid paying gauranteed money? Either way, the Magic have to do better at utilizing the draft to obtain talent while also keeping total salary down.

I like Lillard, but I think the Magic would have to move up to get him. None of the other SG or SF, besides Harkless and maybe Miller, really interest me. I also think the Magic could pick up a decent back up C in the 2nd round like Sims from Georgetown.

[MoMM]

The problem is, how to move up? We dont have many valuable and cheap assets. We dont even have Clark or Orton rights anymore to trade along with our pick for a better one.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Teague is my pick. That pg rotation needs work with or without jameer. Duhon needs to be gone dude.

[Blue_and_Whte]

The problem is, how to move up? We dont have many valuable and cheap assets. We dont even have Clark or Orton rights anymore to trade along with our pick for a better one.

Jj redick? I know he's a good player but he' s not winning us a title. Like I've said before everyone should be trade bait in order to improve. Dwight is not staying here if we go into the season with this bs line up.

I pray to the basketball gods that they dont waste their money on ryan anderson. That would be a huge mistake.

[MoMM]

JJ Redick is a good asset indeed, but we would have to find a team with a TPE or some cap space to trade for him without giving us a bad contract back.

[ChildishGambino]

I think we either need a PG or a SF in this draft.....more likely a PG....if Nelson doesn't pick up his option i doubt we resign him for more $......Either we move up and select our Starter PG or stay pat and select a SF since i think a decent one will still be left at that spot.....Even if we stay pat at 19 for a PG...Teague might still be there.....Wroten might still be there.....I like Ian Miller as our Russel Westbrook PG to be honest he could be there as well.....At SF for pick 19.......Quincy Miller could be....Harkless....Jeff Taylor.....

We have options....but there is a lot of things to still take care of on our end.....New Coach? New GM....those are VERY IMPORTANT things to take care of before the draft....hell even before the draft combine.....but as far as prospects go we'll have a much better look when the combine rolls around....we'll have measurables and interviews....plus workouts......the works.....

[ChildishGambino]

PG Prospects that can be had at #19

Maalik Wayns 6"2 201 lbs
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR_Z4FsBOnw[/youtube]
Nbadraft.net has him going in the second round

Ian Miller 6"3 190 lbs
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y29weTPWmiM[/youtube]
Nbadraft.net says his nba comparison is Russel Westbrook