Elf traded to Phoenix for second rounder

[Revived]

I just can't fathom how a team with Devin Booker, Josh Jackson, Chriss, can still suck so much after 2-3 seasons of the same thing. They flat out tanked hard last year for Jackson and now they got him and still suck.

It's hard to win with young players. Plus, they still aren't trying hard to win. EP should definitely help them though because they haven't had a stable PG situation all season... knight still injured, bledsoe was a team cancer, mike james sucked - traded, canaan sucked - season ending injury, gray/ulis suck.

Yeah you guys don’t realize how difficult it is to win games when Tyler Ulis is your starting PG. Ulis is the same height as IT who gets killed daily for his defense, and Ulis is even worse than that. IT at least some talent offensively while Ulis is straight garbage on both ends of the court. He may not even be in the NBA past his current contract.

I have little doubt that many RealGMers (including myself) are better than Ulis at basketball and can beat him one on one.

[ChosenSavior]

it was refreshing to see that...

Triano didnt mess with his head,

That stat line funny enough isnt even indicitive of what he could/should have had

At the very least 13-15 assists, and easily with Booker would have had that

Not to mention all the young kids for the Suns basically had a breakout type game.

This without Booker.

F Vogel

Yeah Vogel is hot garbage especially at developing young talent which was supposedly a strength of his in Indiana (complete myth).

Mario, Wes and AG haven’t had good seasons under Vogel? Or let me guess it has nothing to do with the coach.


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All of AG's improvement came through his hard work towards his game in the offseason. Mario and Wes were buried on the bench and still would be if the injuries did not occur. Besides Chad works with these guys in practice, shootaround, and in warm-ups before the game so yeah it has nothing to do with Vogel.

[Audi]

Elf is going to be toward the top of the league in assists once Booker returns. PHX hasn’t seen passing like that since Nash, and it showed last night. Another 5+ assists on blown easy buckets and butterfingers. Elf watch is now in effect.

[NickAnderson]

Yeah Vogel is hot garbage especially at developing young talent which was supposedly a strength of his in Indiana (complete myth).

Mario, Wes and AG haven’t had good seasons under Vogel? Or let me guess it has nothing to do with the coach.


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All of AG's improvement came through his hard work towards his game in the offseason. Mario and Wes were buried on the bench and still would be if the injuries did not occur. Besides Chad works with these guys in practice, shootaround, and in warm-ups before the game so yeah it has nothing to do with Vogel.

^^My point proven. The Coach always gets the blame and is never given any credit whatsoever. There’s always some excuse.

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[sunsbum]

I just can't fathom how a team with Devin Booker, Josh Jackson, Chriss, can still suck so much after 2-3 seasons of the same thing. They flat out tanked hard last year for Jackson and now they got him and still suck.

It's hard to win with young players. Plus, they still aren't trying hard to win. EP should definitely help them though because they haven't had a stable PG situation all season... knight still injured, bledsoe was a team cancer, mike james sucked - traded, canaan sucked - season ending injury, gray/ulis suck.

Yeah you guys don’t realize how difficult it is to win games when Tyler Ulis is your starting PG. Ulis is the same height as IT who gets killed daily for his defense, and Ulis is even worse than that. IT at least some talent offensively while Ulis is straight garbage on both ends of the court. He may not even be in the NBA past his current contract.

I have little doubt that many RealGMers (including myself) are better than Ulis at basketball and can beat him one on one.

Dude, I'm not sure what's up with Tyler after a promising rookie campaign but let's not get carried away. You wouldn't be able to put the ball on the floor if Ulis was on you. He'd rip you so fast you'd lose your jock strap. We're talking about the ACC defensive player of the year here.

[sunsbum]

Back to our regularly scheduled program... Just wanted to give a shout out to all you magic fans that have been coming around the suns board, you guys have been great and we (and when i say we, i speak for exactly 1 person )hope you stick around!
Elf looked great, he's like the PG version of TJ Warren. Can't wait to see him with Book!

[Sunsdeuce]

I truly wish Elf well. No... seriously... lead the Suns to the playoffs and GTFO of our way to bottom.

Sorry to disappoint you but the suns have the Hardest schedule left among all teams in the NBA.

[MagicFan101]

I truly wish Elf well. No... seriously... lead the Suns to the playoffs and GTFO of our way to bottom.

Sorry to disappoint you but the suns have the Hardest schedule left among all teams in the NBA.

Hardest? Why is that? Do you build NBA schedules out of graphene out there? ...

Or did you mean difficult?

#NoDesertChildLeftBehind

[OrlandoDream]

I just can't fathom how a team with Devin Booker, Josh Jackson, Chriss, can still suck so much after 2-3 seasons of the same thing. They flat out tanked hard last year for Jackson and now they got him and still suck.

It's hard to win with young players. Plus, they still aren't trying hard to win. EP should definitely help them though because they haven't had a stable PG situation all season... knight still injured, bledsoe was a team cancer, mike james sucked - traded, canaan sucked - season ending injury, gray/ulis suck.

Yeah you guys don’t realize how difficult it is to win games when Tyler Ulis is your starting PG. Ulis is the same height as IT who gets killed daily for his defense, and Ulis is even worse than that. IT at least some talent offensively while Ulis is straight garbage on both ends of the court. He may not even be in the NBA past his current contract.

I have little doubt that many RealGMers (including myself) are better than Ulis at basketball and can beat him one on one.

Yikes my bad I didnt know Ulis was that bad. Im not sure how much Payton will turn the needle for you guys but I guess his 6'4 size and passing ability cant be worse then Ulis although defensively Payton has had a down year. Maybe a new team will rejuvenate him?

[Sunsdeuce]

I truly wish Elf well. No... seriously... lead the Suns to the playoffs and GTFO of our way to bottom.

Sorry to disappoint you but the suns have the Hardest schedule left among all teams in the NBA.

Hardest? Why is that? Do you build NBA schedules out of graphene out there? ...

Or did you mean difficult?

#NoDesertChildLeftBehind

Ok, “difficult”. Whatever best suits your needs, hero!

[Revived]

It's hard to win with young players. Plus, they still aren't trying hard to win. EP should definitely help them though because they haven't had a stable PG situation all season... knight still injured, bledsoe was a team cancer, mike james sucked - traded, canaan sucked - season ending injury, gray/ulis suck.

Yeah you guys don’t realize how difficult it is to win games when Tyler Ulis is your starting PG. Ulis is the same height as IT who gets killed daily for his defense, and Ulis is even worse than that. IT at least some talent offensively while Ulis is straight garbage on both ends of the court. He may not even be in the NBA past his current contract.

I have little doubt that many RealGMers (including myself) are better than Ulis at basketball and can beat him one on one.

Dude, I'm not sure what's up with Tyler after a promising rookie campaign but let's not get carried away. You wouldn't be able to put the ball on the floor if Ulis was on you. He'd rip you so fast you'd lose your jock strap. We're talking about the ACC defensive player of the year here.

I’m stronger & like 6 inches taller. ACC defensive player of the year was maybe given to him because they felt bad for him or something.

I’d whoop that ass.

[Revived]

It's hard to win with young players. Plus, they still aren't trying hard to win. EP should definitely help them though because they haven't had a stable PG situation all season... knight still injured, bledsoe was a team cancer, mike james sucked - traded, canaan sucked - season ending injury, gray/ulis suck.

Yeah you guys don’t realize how difficult it is to win games when Tyler Ulis is your starting PG. Ulis is the same height as IT who gets killed daily for his defense, and Ulis is even worse than that. IT at least some talent offensively while Ulis is straight garbage on both ends of the court. He may not even be in the NBA past his current contract.

I have little doubt that many RealGMers (including myself) are better than Ulis at basketball and can beat him one on one.

Yikes my bad I didnt know Ulis was that bad. Im not sure how much Payton will turn the needle for you guys but I guess his 6'4 size and passing ability cant be worse then Ulis although defensively Payton has had a down year. Maybe a new team will rejuvenate him?

I hope so but regardless, he can’t be worse than Ulis.

[NBlue]

Yeah you guys don’t realize how difficult it is to win games when Tyler Ulis is your starting PG. Ulis is the same height as IT who gets killed daily for his defense, and Ulis is even worse than that. IT at least some talent offensively while Ulis is straight garbage on both ends of the court. He may not even be in the NBA past his current contract.

I have little doubt that many RealGMers (including myself) are better than Ulis at basketball and can beat him one on one.

Dude, I'm not sure what's up with Tyler after a promising rookie campaign but let's not get carried away. You wouldn't be able to put the ball on the floor if Ulis was on you. He'd rip you so fast you'd lose your jock strap. We're talking about the ACC defensive player of the year here.

I’m stronger & like 6 inches taller. ACC defensive player of the year was maybe given to him because they felt bad for him or something.

I’d whoop that ass.

Few things here. First, Ulis played for Kentucky which is in the SEC. Second, he was a badass there and would destroy any mere mortal. Third I think Ulis could well be suited to a role coming off the bench as an energy guy -- young pgs take a while to develop in the league and he is having a down year no doubt but I think that's due to a lot of factors. I could see him falling out of the league but finding a way back after a few years of seasoning. The guy has tons of guts and can shoot.

[pepe1991]

Dude, I'm not sure what's up with Tyler after a promising rookie campaign but let's not get carried away. You wouldn't be able to put the ball on the floor if Ulis was on you. He'd rip you so fast you'd lose your jock strap. We're talking about the ACC defensive player of the year here.

I’m stronger & like 6 inches taller. ACC defensive player of the year was maybe given to him because they felt bad for him or something.

I’d whoop that ass.

Few things here. First, Ulis played for Kentucky which is in the SEC. Second, he was a badass there and would destroy any mere mortal. Third I think Ulis could well be suited to a role coming off the bench as an energy guy -- young pgs take a while to develop in the league and he is having a down year no doubt but I think that's due to a lot of factors. I could see him falling out of the league but finding a way back after a few years of seasoning. The guy has tons of guts and can shoot.

I could not care less about Ulis college career, whoever watched him in nba knows he can't play there. He is same weight as most of females who are not even fat (149 pounds) . He is 5 inches and 50 pounds away from being nba player.

btw good shooters don't shoot 26% for 3

[OrlandoMagic]

You guys are acting like Elf going to Phoenix is going to make him a star and you’ve never seen him pass like this before. He’s put up plenty of triple doubles with us, and has always been a pretty good passer. We all know this and the Magic know this. But when it comes down to the matter of things. We still aren’t winning games. So yeah I think it was right to get rid of Elf and we should have moved on from Evan and Vuc as well. But we didn’t and now we have to play with what we have. And yes people can easily say the Magic don’t develop younger players correctly and I agree with that, but it’s not solely on the Magic. Each individual is given the opportunity to get better but it depends on themselves more than anything. Do they want to get better? Do they want to evolve from a slasher to a spot up shooter? Can they co-exist with players they may or may not get along with. Are the fully committed to what the coaches are preaching to them? Do they have the right attitude? Do they want to be the star of the team or are they happy to be a role player? Are they motivated to play the best basketball they can? There’s a lot more going on than just the organiziation not developing players. And being on a losing team for many years you start to grow doubt about your self as a player. A change for any player is a great way for a fresh start. And I can’t remember who was quoted by saying it but it was something along the lines of “after three years in the league you are who you are” or something to that affect

[PennytoShaq]

I watched Elf's first game and he looked just like he did here. I think that may work for the Suns better than us though. Phoenix has so much young talent that it is crazy. EP/Booker/Warren/Jackson/Bender. That's a real lineup of young guys that they put on the floor.

The issue I see is I am not sure how great their defense will be. Their offense will be good if Jackson develops on that side.Warren and Booker are legit scorers now, but they need Jackson to be one as well.

Bender at the 5 is a good compliment to Elf. He can step out and shoot 3s and Elf can drive the lane and do his thing. The Magic did the same thing with Vuc, but Bender is a better mover.

Phoenix has to have Jackson's 3 point game develop. If they get that going, then they will have a legit core that will be a playoff team. But with Elf, you HAVE to have 4 guys who can shoot from 3 out there at all times. That is why Jackson's development is key.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Well.... people got their wish. FML..... and you'll want to complain about that dipo deal. This one is gonna hurt even more!

Somehow I just don't believe that will be true

Yeah me either. Calm down. Could be a good fit for the Suns although one game isn’t really a tell all. I hope he does well


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[p0peye]

I watched Elf's first game and he looked just like he did here. I think that may work for the Suns better than us though. Phoenix has so much young talent that it is crazy. EP/Booker/Warren/Jackson/Bender. That's a real lineup of young guys that they put on the floor.

The issue I see is I am not sure how great their defense will be. Their offense will be good if Jackson develops on that side.Warren and Booker are legit scorers now, but they need Jackson to be one as well.

Bender at the 5 is a good compliment to Elf. He can step out and shoot 3s and Elf can drive the lane and do his thing. The Magic did the same thing with Vuc, but Bender is a better mover.

Phoenix has to have Jackson's 3 point game develop. If they get that going, then they will have a legit core that will be a playoff team. But with Elf, you HAVE to have 4 guys who can shoot from 3 out there at all times. That is why Jackson's development is key.

Payton/Booker/Jackson/TJ/Bender reminds me alot of our lineup of Payton/Fournier/AG/Green/Vučević last season. If single shooter lineup doesn't spell sustainable success, I don't know what does.

But hey, at least defense will be good.

[yoyojw17]

I watched Elf's first game and he looked just like he did here. I think that may work for the Suns better than us though. Phoenix has so much young talent that it is crazy. EP/Booker/Warren/Jackson/Bender. That's a real lineup of young guys that they put on the floor.

The issue I see is I am not sure how great their defense will be. Their offense will be good if Jackson develops on that side.Warren and Booker are legit scorers now, but they need Jackson to be one as well.

Bender at the 5 is a good compliment to Elf. He can step out and shoot 3s and Elf can drive the lane and do his thing. The Magic did the same thing with Vuc, but Bender is a better mover.

Phoenix has to have Jackson's 3 point game develop. If they get that going, then they will have a legit core that will be a playoff team. But with Elf, you HAVE to have 4 guys who can shoot from 3 out there at all times. That is why Jackson's development is key.

It is the same elf.... the difference that i see that will happen is.... with that line up.... he will be more of the shot creator than he was here. For the last couple years the team has been moreso built as a passing team at times which turns into hero ball at others. Needless to say they needed a pg that could be as much of a finisher as he is a facilitator. Hence if elf had a deadly jump shot he would look great.

On the a line up of "EP/Booker/Warren/Jackson/Bender"... Elf is surrounded by a combination of shooting and finishing....the ball will be in his hands more and his usage will be at an all time high. this is when the talents of EP shines. It sucks to say.... but the guys intensity plummets when the ball is NOT in his hands. Placing the ball in his hands on the offense will give the Suns exactly what they need. No... i don't believe Elf is going to all of a sudden be an allstar but i do believe that we will be seeing a lot Elf being placed in a situation that is more fitting of his style of play.

"Give him the ball... move around and let him make something happen for you."

[Revived]

I watched Elf's first game and he looked just like he did here. I think that may work for the Suns better than us though. Phoenix has so much young talent that it is crazy. EP/Booker/Warren/Jackson/Bender. That's a real lineup of young guys that they put on the floor.

The issue I see is I am not sure how great their defense will be. Their offense will be good if Jackson develops on that side.Warren and Booker are legit scorers now, but they need Jackson to be one as well.

Bender at the 5 is a good compliment to Elf. He can step out and shoot 3s and Elf can drive the lane and do his thing. The Magic did the same thing with Vuc, but Bender is a better mover.

Phoenix has to have Jackson's 3 point game develop. If they get that going, then they will have a legit core that will be a playoff team. But with Elf, you HAVE to have 4 guys who can shoot from 3 out there at all times. That is why Jackson's development is key.

Payton/Booker/Jackson/TJ/Bender reminds me alot of our lineup of Payton/Fournier/AG/Green/Vučević last season. If single shooter lineup doesn't spell sustainable success, I don't know what does.

But hey, at least defense will be good.

Bender/Booker are both shooters and Warren is an elite mid range shooter. Rest of them can’t shoot at all however.