Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 II: BIG as F

[Nyce_1]

Houston has a Capela trade in place in case they can bring Butler. What team do you think is the partner? I'd say it's Sacramento.

Screams Boston

They wont have the cap space, if their target is Kemba.

Kings all the way.

[ezzzp]

What’s the chance Vuc doesn’t become an allstar again after he inks this contract? Can’t believe there’s a chance we’ll be watching this guy for a decade of sub par Magic basketball.

Actually there's a very good chance he holds form and there are some solid indicators that he'll improve his effectiveness:

Spoiler:

I used to be lukewarm on Vucevic because his offense was capped by inefficiency. But in 17-18 when he added the 3pt shot I began to gradually shift my opinion on what that cap was.

He was always a good shooter from the perimeter, so when he started stepping back a step and shifting long-two's into 3PA's I felt that if he continued to improve on that skill he could take another step.

Once Clifford arrived, I knew his systems usually focus on paint touches. Because of that, I felt Vucevic was going to get increased interior volume. In combination with another offseason of working on his 3P shooting...prior to last season, I expected Vucevic to take a solid jump in efficiency. I didn't expect all-star, but I did think his TS% would improve.

...and it did, and how he got there is very sustainable. In fact, if he can shift even more volume to both those high efficiency zones (something that is very doable) there is a very good chance that his efficiency could take an even bigger jump next year.

Add in continuity + internal development from rest of the roster that sets the table for added increased effectiveness. Vucevic is in his prime for at least 2-3 more years and his game is the type that ages well.


18-19
Total FGA = 1354 / FGA < Restricted Area = 478 / FGA >3pt = 231
Morey Ball FGA = 709 or 52.4% of his offense
TS% = .573

17-18
FGA = 840 / FGA < Restricted Area = 203 /FGA >3pt = 204
Morey Ball FGA = 407 or 48.5% of his offense
TS% =.533

16-17
FGA = 1031 / FGA < Restricted Area = 278 / FGA >3pt = 75
Morey Ball FGA = 353 or 34.2% of his offense
TS% = .498

15-16
FGA = 1046 / FGA < Restricted Area = 310 / FGA >3pt = 9
Morey Ball FGA = 319 or 29.6% of his offense
TS% = .531

14-15
FGA = 1206 / FGA < Restricted Area = 451 / FGA >3pt = 6
Morey Ball FGA = 457 or 37.9% of his offense
TS% = .548

K.

K.

[Optimus_Steel]

4/$90M is a good deal for Vuc and for the team. Make it happen so we can focus on other moves.

[Magic_Johnny12]

What people fail to understand is at this cost Vucevic contract becomes a positive asset and can be moved IF best case scenario Bamba develops as we envision him to. Bamba is at least 2/3 yrs away from actually showing us what kind of player he truly is.

Resigning Vucevic at the price is a no brainer.

[basketballRob]

Please take it with a grain of salt...

Read on Twitter

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2 yrs/45 million. Get it done Weltman

With all the injuries going around he'd probably rather have a 5 yrs 90m as opposed to a short deal for more per year.

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[basketballRob]

Please take it with a grain of salt...

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2 yrs/45 million. Get it done Weltman

I’ll be totally okay with a two year max tbh.

We'd probably have to give up Ross and Birch to give him the max.

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[basketballRob]

A penny for Mo Bamba’s thoughts right now.

4yrs / $90m is two years too long.

That's a tradable deal.

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[basketballRob]

I hope the final year is partially guaranteed.

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[MoMM]

I hope the final year is partially guaranteed.

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Not very likely, IMO.

[MoMM]

A penny for Mo Bamba’s thoughts right now.

4yrs / $90m is two years too long.

That's a tradable deal.

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He should be thinking about improving his game that can't beat Birch at this point.

[pepe1991]

Did any of Vuc "haters" or however you call yourself nowdays ( bamba lovers? ) thought for a second that We-Ham are re-signing Vuc because Bamba simply isn't as good as they thought?

Not only that he was bad when he did play, he also suffered from non contact injury that suggest being used too much,despite not playing much at all.

We talk about player that was waaaay below Birch in terms of impact,defense and production, and Birch is pretty much bench spark- 6'9 C that on many teams would be third stringer. And that's a guy you can't beat for a spot ?
It's like times when CJ Watson and Meeks were better than Hezonja. Maybe just maybe it's because your high lottery pick simply isn't that good?

[SOUL]

Did any of Vuc "haters" or however you call yourself nowdays ( bamba lovers? ) thought for a second that We-Ham are re-signing Vuc because Bamba simply isn't as good as they thought?

Not only that he was bad when he did play, he also suffered from non contact injury that suggest being used too much,despite not playing much at all.

We talk about player that was waaaay below Birch in terms of impact,defense and production, and Birch is pretty much bench spark- 6'9 C that on many teams would be third stringer. And that's a guy you can't beat for a spot ?
It's like times when CJ Watson and Meeks were better than Hezonja. Maybe just maybe it's because your high lottery pick simply isn't that good?

Well we already knew you would give up on Bamba after half a season.. you had nice things to say about him in your sig just a few months ago.

Not everything has to be a competition though man..

[3ddman23]

Damn vuc could potentially be the first magic player to get his number retired if he stays the length of this new contract and continues to put up solid numbers. Would have never thought after the dwight trade that would be the case.

[basketballRob]

Did any of Vuc "haters" or however you call yourself nowdays ( bamba lovers? ) thought for a second that We-Ham are re-signing Vuc because Bamba simply isn't as good as they thought?

Not only that he was bad when he did play, he also suffered from non contact injury that suggest being used too much,despite not playing much at all.

We talk about player that was waaaay below Birch in terms of impact,defense and production, and Birch is pretty much bench spark- 6'9 C that on many teams would be third stringer. And that's a guy you can't beat for a spot ?
It's like times when CJ Watson and Meeks were better than Hezonja. Maybe just maybe it's because your high lottery pick simply isn't that good?

They signed Vuc to retain an asset and I wouldn't be surprised if he got traded next year

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[pepe1991]

Did any of Vuc "haters" or however you call yourself nowdays ( bamba lovers? ) thought for a second that We-Ham are re-signing Vuc because Bamba simply isn't as good as they thought?

Not only that he was bad when he did play, he also suffered from non contact injury that suggest being used too much,despite not playing much at all.

We talk about player that was waaaay below Birch in terms of impact,defense and production, and Birch is pretty much bench spark- 6'9 C that on many teams would be third stringer. And that's a guy you can't beat for a spot ?
It's like times when CJ Watson and Meeks were better than Hezonja. Maybe just maybe it's because your high lottery pick simply isn't that good?

Well we already knew you would give up on Bamba after half a season.. you had nice things to say about him in your sig just a few months ago.

Not everything has to be a competition though man..

Only fool keeps it's opinion if it's presented with new facts. You live, you learn new things.

During Magic rebuild and 7 lottery picks, only one of them made all rookie team. Guess who only turned into allstar among them? That guy.
Others simply layed eggs in rookie year ( Gordon, Payton,Hezonja ,Isaac ) and i don't think any of them will be allstars any time soon. Coincidence?
I think in whole Magic history only 6 players were all nba rookie first team members,and among them only Mike MIler was fluke as indicator of high quality. Others were Dwight, Shaq, Penny, Scott, Oladipo.

This "you can't say anything negative about him because he is young " crap on this forum has to stop. It serves no purpose, it's deflacting reality and closing eyes in front of problem . You really didn't need 5 years of Elfrid Payton to figure he sucks. We really didn't need to argue through whole 2017 to get to this point ,where he is fringe NBA player.
Just like we didn't have to go through Hezonja's 2015-2016 and 2017 sorry years to finally figure he is fringe nba player and somebody who is on exit doors.

Let's call player for what he is, instad of what we think he might be in 3 years or , in most cases what we hope against all hope he will be.

[SOUL]

Vuc struggles for 3 years and plays great for 1

"he deserves 4-5 year contract and to be the cornerstone player"

Bamba struggles with 1 and injury

"he sucks and isnt the future, give up on him, isaac, fultz..."

Makes sense.

[basketballRob]

I absolutely still feel like Bamba is the future and eventually will be as good or better than Vuc. Signing Vuc is about retaining an asset and trying to make the playoffs as the young players grow


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[pepe1991]

Vuc struggles for 3 years and plays great for 1

"he deserves 4-5 year contract and to be the cornerstone player"

Bamba struggles with 1 and injury

"he sucks and isnt the future, give up on him, isaac, fultz..."

Makes sense.

Vučević at age of 24: 19 ppg, 11 rpg
Vučević at age of 25: 18 ppg, 9 rpg, 3 apg
Vučević at age of 27: 16,5 ppg, 9,2 rpg, 3,2 apg

Vučević allstar 28: 20,8 ppg, 12 rpg, 3,8 apg

Aside from 2016-17 when Vogel's brain was on autopilot, as he tried to play offense through non other than Ibaka, you always knew that Vučević is capable of being productive center.


And for love of the god tell me single reason why da hell should anybody be exited about Fultz? Did he filmed new insta story with now walking across the floor?
Or he reposted something from times when he wasn't twitching like bad lag on sims 1?
Him and freaking Isaac are now going to be 3rd year players, yet still treated like toddlers.
Should we replace bench seats with baby carrier seats and have zone where mommies can breast -feed them during time outs?


In same time, players of their age, Murray and Simmons were huge parts of playoff teams that played second round of playoffs and Doncic, being younger than them put up 20 ppg rookie season.

[Magic_Johnny12]

Vuc struggles for 3 years and plays great for 1

"he deserves 4-5 year contract and to be the cornerstone player"

Bamba struggles with 1 and injury

"he sucks and isnt the future, give up on him, isaac, fultz..."

Makes sense.

“Struggles”

[SOUL]

Vuc struggles for 3 years and plays great for 1

"he deserves 4-5 year contract and to be the cornerstone player"

Bamba struggles with 1 and injury

"he sucks and isnt the future, give up on him, isaac, fultz..."

Makes sense.

“Struggles”

For his talent, yes. Like I said the last time he led the team in win shares was 2015. A four year gap between 2015 and 2019 is struggling to me. Not struggling to get stats, but to impact the game. There was a reason why most people were fine with moving on with Vuc before this season because he was showing signs of just becoming a 16/9 player that shot a bunch of twos. His game this year was MILES better than what we had seen from him the last few years before that.