Official Speculation Thread '19-'20 V: Purgatory

[Skin]

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In three games without Evan Fournier...

Markelle Fultz is averaging 21.0 PPG, 5.7 RPG, 6.7 APG and shooting 62.2% from the floor.

The Magic are 3-0.

It's crystal clear what needs to happen.

i) Orlando is not a better team with Iwundu starting over Fournier.

ii) Orlando will need to target the SG slot (with Fournier's salary and Gordon's contract) to take the next step up (from mediocre to OK-good'ish).

If Fournier opt-in, then this is Fournier plus Gordon for an upgrade. And Beal is exactly a player that would fit under said scenario.


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i. Ok defend that stance.

ii. Of course the Magic need to try to upgrade SG aka Fournier. If they can do it via the draft then great. What I'm saying is that the subtraction of Fournier is already an upgrade. You can't look at things in a vacuum, ie a Fournier vs Iwundu side by side stat comparison. You have to evaluate how the entire team works together.

Lastly, the Beal talk needs to stop. The only team in Florida capable of landing him is Miami.

[BballIsLife11]

Moved this to be op-topic:

It's crystal clear what needs to happen.

i) Orlando is not a better team with Iwundu starting over Fournier.

ii) Orlando will need to target the SG slot (with Fournier's salary and Gordon's contract) to take the next step up (from mediocre to OK-good'ish).

If Fournier opt-in, then this is Fournier plus Gordon for an upgrade. And Beal is exactly a player that would fit under said scenario.


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i. Ok defend that stance.

ii. Of course the Magic need to try to upgrade SG aka Fournier. If they can do it via the draft then great. What I'm saying is that the subtraction of Fournier is already an upgrade. You can't look at things in a vacuum, ie a Fournier vs Iwundu side by side stat comparison. You have to evaluate how the entire team works together.

Lastly, the Beal talk needs to stop. The only team in Florida capable of landing him is Miami.

I would assume Miami will not be trading either Jimmy or Bam for Beal. So with that said what package could Miami offer that is better than ours?

[j-ragg]

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i) Orlando is not a better team with Iwundu starting over Fournier.

ii) Orlando will need to target the SG slot (with Fournier's salary and Gordon's contract) to take the next step up (from mediocre to OK-good'ish).

If Fournier opt-in, then this is Fournier plus Gordon for an upgrade. And Beal is exactly a player that would fit under said scenario.


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i. Ok defend that stance.

ii. Of course the Magic need to try to upgrade SG aka Fournier. If they can do it via the draft then great. What I'm saying is that the subtraction of Fournier is already an upgrade. You can't look at things in a vacuum, ie a Fournier vs Iwundu side by side stat comparison. You have to evaluate how the entire team works together.

Lastly, the Beal talk needs to stop. The only team in Florida capable of landing him is Miami.

I would assume Miami will not be trading either Jimmy or Bam for Beal. So with that said what package could Miami offer that is better than ours?

Herro + pieces is probably more what they're gonna be looking for than Gordon and Fournier. People have watched the Magic over the past 5 years I doubt they're trying to emulate what we did w/ their roster. Star trade packages aren't usually for role players on eight figure deals.

[BballIsLife11]

i. Ok defend that stance.

ii. Of course the Magic need to try to upgrade SG aka Fournier. If they can do it via the draft then great. What I'm saying is that the subtraction of Fournier is already an upgrade. You can't look at things in a vacuum, ie a Fournier vs Iwundu side by side stat comparison. You have to evaluate how the entire team works together.

Lastly, the Beal talk needs to stop. The only team in Florida capable of landing him is Miami.

I would assume Miami will not be trading either Jimmy or Bam for Beal. So with that said what package could Miami offer that is better than ours?

Herro + pieces is probably more what they're gonna be looking for than Gordon and Fournier. People have watched the Magic over the past 5 years I doubt they're trying to emulate what we did w/ their roster. Star trade packages aren't usually for role players on eight figure deals.

Until we know more about Fournier’s decision to opt in or out I wouldn’t consider him in any trade. But with that said I struggle to see how Herro(who I am a big fan of and wanted us to draft) and most of their other young pieces is a better offer than a package with a mix of AG, Mo, Vooch, Chuma, draft picks.

[j-ragg]

I would assume Miami will not be trading either Jimmy or Bam for Beal. So with that said what package could Miami offer that is better than ours?

Herro + pieces is probably more what they're gonna be looking for than Gordon and Fournier. People have watched the Magic over the past 5 years I doubt they're trying to emulate what we did w/ their roster. Star trade packages aren't usually for role players on eight figure deals.

Until we know more about Fournier’s decision to opt in or out I wouldn’t consider him in any trade. But with that said I struggle to see how Herro(who I am a big fan of and wanted us to draft) and most of their other young pieces is a better offer than a package with a mix of AG, Mo, Vooch, Chuma, draft picks.

I disagree. Fournier on his own doesn't have much value as we've seen over the years. The Wiz have all their talent outside of Beal pretty much in the front court. I don't think they want to double down on that. Maybe in a 3 team deal when a team wants two centers and two PFs we'd have a shot at a player but Washington won't want that and I don't think it has that much value anyway. AG has decent value because he's young. Vuc is a huge contract. Chuma shown nothing, Mo shown very little.

[BballIsLife11]

Herro + pieces is probably more what they're gonna be looking for than Gordon and Fournier. People have watched the Magic over the past 5 years I doubt they're trying to emulate what we did w/ their roster. Star trade packages aren't usually for role players on eight figure deals.

Until we know more about Fournier’s decision to opt in or out I wouldn’t consider him in any trade. But with that said I struggle to see how Herro(who I am a big fan of and wanted us to draft) and most of their other young pieces is a better offer than a package with a mix of AG, Mo, Vooch, Chuma, draft picks.

I disagree. Fournier on his own doesn't have much value as we've seen over the years. The Wiz have all their talent outside of Beal pretty much in the front court. I don't think they want to double down on that. Maybe in a 3 team deal when a team wants two centers and two PFs we'd have a shot at a player but Washington won't want that and I don't think it has that much value anyway. AG has decent value because he's young. Vuc is a huge contract. Chuma shown nothing, Mo shown very little.

I also don’t think we have the best shot a trading for him either. My point was that we have a better collection of assets to offer them than Miami does. Not including any of Butler, Bam, JI, and Fultz, all of which should not be included in any trade.
I still think there are several other teams that can offer better packages than us. And I fully agree about Fournier. Never been a fan of his, and never will. Maybe because I have only seen him play alongside Vooch.

[drsd]

Until we know more about Fournier’s decision to opt in or out I wouldn’t consider him in any trade.

And-1


Look: Fournier's choice dictates the Magic's off-season. There is no single greater point than what you just made.

I will make another point: just WIN now. If Orlando can carve out a second round playoff run with its current roster; this season is a wild success. So aim for that !!!!


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[Skin]

Moved this to be op-topic:



i) Orlando is not a better team with Iwundu starting over Fournier.

ii) Orlando will need to target the SG slot (with Fournier's salary and Gordon's contract) to take the next step up (from mediocre to OK-good'ish).

If Fournier opt-in, then this is Fournier plus Gordon for an upgrade. And Beal is exactly a player that would fit under said scenario.


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i. Ok defend that stance.

ii. Of course the Magic need to try to upgrade SG aka Fournier. If they can do it via the draft then great. What I'm saying is that the subtraction of Fournier is already an upgrade. You can't look at things in a vacuum, ie a Fournier vs Iwundu side by side stat comparison. You have to evaluate how the entire team works together.

Lastly, the Beal talk needs to stop. The only team in Florida capable of landing him is Miami.

I would assume Miami will not be trading either Jimmy or Bam for Beal. So with that said what package could Miami offer that is better than ours?

Sure they would give up Bam. You need wings to win in this league. Big men are complimentary at best.

Plus I say they are more capable than the Magic mainly because they have Pat Riley.

[VFX]

Our fan base must talk more about Brad Beal than any other outside of Washington.

Cant wait until this guy gets traded from Washington to a contender so we can stop talking about him as an option like we aren’t living in fantasyland.

We don’t have the cap space, don’t have the assets to trade for him, and aren’t a legitimate free agent destination. Him playing for the University of Florida is the only correlation. There are 10+ teams that have a better chance at landing him.

[pepe1991]

Our fan base must talk more about Brad Beal than any other outside of Washington.

Cant wait until this guy gets traded from Washington to a contender so we can stop talking about him as an option like we aren’t living in fantasyland.

We don’t have the cap space, don’t have the assets to trade for him, and aren’t a legitimate free agent destination. Him playing for the University of Florida is the only correlation. There are 10+ teams that have a better chance at landing him.

It's because most of the league expects him to be traded. Just like it was case with Warriors and D'angelo.

[Knightro]

Terrence Ross before the all-star break. 23-30 record (Ross missed 2 games).

26.8 MPG, 13.4 PPG, .387 FG%, .322 3PT%, .521 TS%, 22.6 USG%

Terrence Ross after the all-star break. 6-4 record.

30.4 MPG, 22.2 PPG, .487 FG%, .506 3PT%, .660 TS%, 24.6 USG%

[Knightro]

Terrence Ross before the all-star break. 23-30 record (Ross missed 2 games).

26.8 MPG, 13.4 PPG, .387 FG%, .322 3PT%, .521 TS%, 22.6 USG%

Terrence Ross after the all-star break. 6-4 record.

30.4 MPG, 22.2 PPG, .487 FG%, .506 3PT%, .660 TS%, 24.6 USG%

To expand on this a little further, every single rotation player is shooting the ball more efficiently since the all-star break than they were before. All figures are TS%.

Iwundu +15.5% since ASB
Ross: +13.9%
Carter-Williams: +12.8%
Ennis: +10.7%
Fournier: +5.9%
Gordon: +4.2%
Vucevic: +3.4%
Bamba +3.3%
Augustin +2.3%
Fultz +1.6%

[pepe1991]

Terrence Ross before the all-star break. 23-30 record (Ross missed 2 games).

26.8 MPG, 13.4 PPG, .387 FG%, .322 3PT%, .521 TS%, 22.6 USG%

Terrence Ross after the all-star break. 6-4 record.

30.4 MPG, 22.2 PPG, .487 FG%, .506 3PT%, .660 TS%, 24.6 USG%

To expand on this a little further, every single rotation player is shooting the ball more efficiently since the all-star break than they were before. All figures are TS%.

Iwundu +15.5% since ASB
Ross: +13.9%
Carter-Williams: +12.8%
Ennis: +10.7%
Fournier: +5.9%
Gordon: +4.2%
Vucevic: +3.4%
Bamba +3.3%
Augustin +2.3%
Fultz +1.6%

This is amazing.

[Knightro]

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Now, if we could get a run of both that and a top 5 defense at the same time, how good can we be?

[OrlandoNed]

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Now, if we could get a run of both that and a top 5 defense at the same time, how good can we be?

Depends on how many opposing dumpster fires fill up our schedule.

[Def Swami]

Our fan base must talk more about Brad Beal than any other outside of Washington.

Cant wait until this guy gets traded from Washington to a contender so we can stop talking about him as an option like we aren’t living in fantasyland.

We don’t have the cap space, don’t have the assets to trade for him, and aren’t a legitimate free agent destination. Him playing for the University of Florida is the only correlation. There are 10+ teams that have a better chance at landing him.

It's because most of the league expects him to be traded. Just like it was case with Warriors and D'angelo.

I think there's no urgency by Beal or the Wizards to do a trade. Beal likes being the face of the franchise and likes being part of the DC community. The Wizards are going nowhere without a franchise guy like Beal. We know how hard it is to get that player once they leave. And I think both parties think they can be good (by Eastern Conference standards) with Wall returning next season.

But if he gets traded, he's ending up in Miami.

[Magic_Johnny12]

Yea we have a better chance drafting a Beal like player than being able to trade for him.

Think about that for a second.

[PrimeThyme]

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What a bummer. Im sure the NBA isn't far behind.

[MagicFan101]

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What a bummer. Im sure the NBA isn't far behind.

Warriors - Nets tomorrow night already will be without fans.