2022-2023 Regular Season Game 65: Portland Trail Blazers (29-34) Orlando Magic (27-37) - 6pm

Post #261 » by **eyriq** » Mon Mar 6, 2023 1:51 am

Free throws really defined the game

msmoore66 · Post #262 » by **msmoore66** » Mon Mar 6, 2023 1:51 am

FFBlitzace wrote:Tough loss. A non-Lillard player hit a dagger 3 and we couldn't get them to miss a free throw, what can you do.

Actually, one thing you can do is be better prepared for that specific situation. We were in this same spot not too long ago and it played out exactly the same way. Acting shocked and being unprepared for the opponent putting you on the line is inexcusable at this point. Be aware of the possibility of it before it happens and don't present an easy opportunity for the opponent to do it. And once they have done it and the exchange of free throws begins, have something installed that's designed to advance the ball on the inbound and have a chance at a shot. I know it's easier said than done, but you should never be helpless and have nothing to go to. We may as well intentionally miss the second free throw and roll the dice on that, because we weren't getting a shot off otherwise.

Very well said and spot on.

KillMonger · Post #263 » by **KillMonger** » Mon Mar 6, 2023 1:52 am

Moe Wagner should not be playing center..... Blazers driving to the cup with no fear

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Post #264 » by **SOUL** » Mon Mar 6, 2023 1:53 am

Ducklett wrote:Sorry, I don't mean in a meta sense of how good or bad our players are. We started the season really bad and I don't think our record is accurate to our skill level. I mean as far as the odds that we actually end up picking 7 instead of top 5.

No, I mean, I understand it. You want to get the best value out of your picks versus your position, but you can't really micro-manage something like that without shamelessly tanking and we're not going to hold out players that are already injured and itching to play any longer than we had, which I think we are a pretty conservative organization when it comes to bringing people back.

We also only have a 3% worse chances at a top 4 pick so I'll take that, even if our most likely place is 7th pick.

Post #265 » by **Bensational** » Mon Mar 6, 2023 1:54 am

ORLMagicGirl15 wrote:
IllMagic04 wrote:
3ddman23 wrote:Can't stand when teams do this. Screw the blazers and the knicks
I hate it too but its the right strategy.

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And fouling someone to stop a transitional dunk is a strategy too but the NBA decided to make that a take foul because it denies the fan from seeing an entertaining dunk but yet they think fans want to see free throw shots at the end of games? That should be 3 fouls to stop teams from doing that during these critical periods.

Yeah, in the final 2 minutes FTs should either count as the value of the location (outside the 3pt line it’s worth 3, inside 2). Or, offer 1 FT and possession of the ball again.

Unfortunately what happened is a strategy which is regularly exploited. It’s a shame it ruins a perfectly good game. Nobody wants FTs to decide a match down the wire.

Post #266 » by **Knightro** » Mon Mar 6, 2023 1:55 am

basketballRob wrote:
ORLMagicGirl15 wrote:
IllMagic04 wrote:I hate it too but its the right strategy.

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And fouling someone to stop a transitional dunk is a strategy too but the NBA decided to make that a take foul because it denies the fan from seeing an entertaining dunk but yet they think fans want to see free throw shots at the end of games? That should be 3 fouls to stop teams from doing that during these critical periods.
I thought they had a Shaq rule where you couldn't foul in the last two minutes?

They do, but it only applies to intentionally fouling players without the ball.

Rainwater · Post #267 » by **Rainwater** » Mon Mar 6, 2023 1:55 am

SOUL wrote:
Ducklett wrote:Looks like we are stuck at 5th worst. Bad place to be.

No, it isn't. If we were Rockets or Spurs level record with the draft picks we had, even with our injuries, there would be a lot more deserved panic because it means we're way further away than we think without an overhaul.

I think he was speaking about the pick itself not being in a better position for the 1st pick although I do believe the magic still have a good shot for the pick regardless. But I do agree the magic have a bright future despite what the record shows. Its about progress.

basketballRob · Post #268 » by **basketballRob** » Mon Mar 6, 2023 1:56 am

We have a 64% chance of getting a pick 6 or better.

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IllMagic04 · Post #269 » by **IllMagic04** » Mon Mar 6, 2023 1:58 am

Players/teams probably should start practicing missing free throws for this situation

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Post #270 » by **Knightro** » Mon Mar 6, 2023 2:08 am

Magic probably would have won that game if Carter had played.

IllMagic04 · Post #271 » by **IllMagic04** » Mon Mar 6, 2023 2:08 am

ORLMagicGirl15 wrote:
IllMagic04 wrote:
ORLMagicGirl15 wrote:And fouling someone to stop a transitional dunk is a strategy too but the NBA decided to make that a take foul because it denies the fan from seeing an entertaining dunk but yet they think fans want to see free throw shots at the end of games? That should be 3 fouls to stop teams from doing that during these critical periods.
How would that work though? Players would just swipe at the ball and foul still

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One foul shot, and get the ball back. Then you can’t intentionally foul so the other team won’t tie.

I personally hate the foul strategy down the stretch.

For all fouls? Or just when deemed intentional

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basketballRob · Post #272 » by **basketballRob** » Mon Mar 6, 2023 2:11 am

Suggs pretty much saying Lillard gets superstar calls in his post-game interview.

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ORLMagicGirl15 · Post #273 » by **ORLMagicGirl15** » Mon Mar 6, 2023 2:14 am

basketballRob wrote:Suggs pretty much saying Lillard gets superstar calls in his post-game interview.

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No lies told.

Post #274 » by **eyriq** » Mon Mar 6, 2023 2:15 am

basketballRob wrote:We have a 64% chance of getting a pick 6 or better.

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What are the odds of getting a top four pick and keeping the Bulls pick? ~20% ish?

ORLMagicGirl15 · Post #275 » by **ORLMagicGirl15** » Mon Mar 6, 2023 2:15 am

IllMagic04 wrote:
ORLMagicGirl15 wrote:
IllMagic04 wrote:How would that work though? Players would just swipe at the ball and foul still

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One foul shot, and get the ball back. Then you can’t intentionally foul so the other team won’t tie.

I personally hate the foul strategy down the stretch.
For all fouls? Or just when deemed intentional

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Last 2 minutes when it is intentional.

MasterGMer · Post #276 » by **MasterGMer** » Mon Mar 6, 2023 2:19 am

Why put Caleb Houstan in at late game? His foul at Lillard pretty much gave them a chance to increase the lead to 3 so they can play the foul game. If he didn't foul, we have a chance on the defensive end and go to the other end for a lead. Sigh...

Post #277 » by **eyriq** » Mon Mar 6, 2023 2:23 am

We didn't really learn much from this game but did get some additional evidence for a few things.

1. Franz and Paolo are studs
2. Bol is coachable
3. A Fultz/Suggs backcourt can work
4. Mosley has room to grow to become a win now coach
5. Cole can't defend and isn't a consistent impact player on offense
6. WCJ defensive impact is underrated

Post #278 » by **Knightro** » Mon Mar 6, 2023 2:24 am

MasterGMer wrote:Why put Caleb Houstan in at late game? His foul at Lillard pretty much gave them a chance to increase the lead to 3 so they can play the foul game. If he didn't foul, we have a chance on the defensive end and go to the other end for a lead. Sigh...

Who else do you want in there instead though? It was Fultz/Suggs/Houstan/Franz/Paolo.

Schofield got hurt. You certainly don't want Moritz, Goga or Bol trying to defend on a switch.

That leaves Cole. And the Blazers busted his ass most of the night defensively.

Post #279 » by **SOUL** » Mon Mar 6, 2023 2:24 am

MasterGMer wrote:Why put Caleb Houstan in at late game? His foul at Lillard pretty much gave them a chance to increase the lead to 3 so they can play the foul game. If he didn't foul, we have a chance on the defensive end and go to the other end for a lead. Sigh...

I mean he wasn't told to foul lol. Also Lillard had 16 free throws already, there was really no good option tonight.

WCJ being out and Isaac being out the rest of the year left to a lot of over-reliance on the guards to contain pressure but it's too easy to penetrate into the lane and get fouls for a star player against the likes of Moe Wagner and Bol Bol.

KillMonger · Post #280 » by **KillMonger** » Mon Mar 6, 2023 2:32 am

eyriq wrote:We didn't really learn much from this game but did get some additional evidence for a few things.

1. Franz and Paolo are studs
2. Bol is coachable
3. A Fultz/Suggs backcourt can work
4. Mosley has room to grow to become a win now coach
5. Cole can't defend and isn't a consistent impact player on offense
6. WCJ defensive impact is underrated

7. Moe Wagner can't play defense

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