Official 2024-2025 Magic Trade ideas thread continued

[Skybox]

I would have to think Magic brass would not mortgage their depth for Simons or Sexton as the asking price is most likely too high. DLo could be had cheap. If a cheap deal doesn't present itself, the Magic wont make any trades to the dismay of "But, I wanna win now!" fans.

What do you consider too high for one of them? (someone else suggested bringing the same offer to both and seeing who's willing)

I really don't think the Magic brass are considering Sexton or Simons. They want team role players, not players who think they should be starting.

You're projecting a lot of vibes on young guys you don't really have any insight into...just like you're presuming a degree of internal offensive development without any kind of solid basis.

It's not a foreign concept for good players on bad teams getting to a point where they just want to win. The "Main Man" on bad teams often knows where he really stands in the NBA pecking order and relish the chance to contribute to wins.

I don't know them either, but scouting, players, etc know who these guys are beyond the stats

[BadMofoPimp]

What do you consider too high for one of them? (someone else suggested bringing the same offer to both and seeing who's willing)

I really don't think the Magic brass are considering Sexton or Simons. They want team role players, not players who think they should be starting.

You're projecting a lot of vibes on young guys you don't really have any insight into...just like you're presuming a degree of internal offensive development without any kind of solid basis.

I just don't think the Magic are planning that short term. If Sexton comes cheap, I could see that happening, but I doubt the Magic do anything to disrupt their core chemistry. I really don't see anything happening and if nothing happens, I agree with it.

[Skybox]

My response to someone suggesting Ingram to ORL in the Trades area...
ORL's got no interest in paying a delusional UFA who's not even a floor spreader with Paolo & Suggs' extensions kicking in this summer and Paolo's max up next.

I'd offer a package for CJ though...who I think might be ready to accept a significant but lesser role as 3rd guard, getting starter minutes off the bench.

NOLA sends: CJ McCollum (1 yr @$30.7m), Daniel Theis (injuries have wiped out our bigs and we want all the Germans)
ORL sends: Cole Anthony (1 yr @ $13m, then TO), Gary Harris (expiring, TO for $7.5), Jett Howard ($5.5m, rookie deal)

NOLA saves about $12m, picks up a prospect in Jett and gets options on a candidate for a fresh start. Cole can probably deliver all that would have been needed from CJ now that DeJounte has the ball and can be paired with Hawkins, Murphy, etc as a 3&D guard...meaning that NOLA could substantially beef up it's starting backcourt defensively and CJ's role would be minimized anyway.

Lots of positive responses from NOLA fans...NOT even a pick attached - tell me this is too costly

[Skybox]

I really don't think the Magic brass are considering Sexton or Simons. They want team role players, not players who think they should be starting.

You're projecting a lot of vibes on young guys you don't really have any insight into...just like you're presuming a degree of internal offensive development without any kind of solid basis.

I just don't think the Magic are planning that short term. If Sexton comes cheap, I could see that happening, but I doubt the Magic do anything to disrupt their core chemistry. I really don't see anything happening and if nothing happens, I agree with it.

We're probably not really that far apart. Sexton is my favorite choice but probably also the toughest to wring out of Ainge's hands. I really don't think any of my suggestions are just short term...even if a guy contributes for 2 or 3 years, that's an NBA eternity and it's a lot easier to keep a guy who is already in-house, even as a UFA. Reality is waiting for guys to develop over 3 years is just a waste because (now that we're good AND top-heavy in salaries-like any good team) as soon as they contribute, they're due a big extension that we're not likely to be able to offer. Devos' are not Mark Cuban or the PHX guy - I suspect ORL's ownership WILL pump the brakes on tax penalties - even if we're winning.

I would absolutely hope/plan/discuss re-upping Simons, Sexton, Mccollum at around $20m per (regardless of where they are now). Two are presently overpaid and one is just about right...if that's out of the question and they haven't shown they are worth a bigger role with THIS team's makeup, then we move on ...after 1.5 seasons of trying. I don't see that as any more reckless than waiting and waiting on a lottery salary rookie to stop stumbling around. You KNOW what Simons, Sexton, or CJ will do the second they hit the floor...and it's exactly what we lack.

[Skybox]

Shared with my friends on the POR board who are fed up with Scoot...

He sucks, get rid of him. Cut your losses

ORL sends: Cole Anthony (one more year at $13.1m, then TO), Moe Wagner (TO for $11m, injured), Jett Howard, lower valued of DEN 25/ORL 25 frp

POR sends: Scoot, Time Lord

For POR: Moe is actually interesting as a big who is an excellent offensive player...he could ultimately play next to Clingan, if POR opted to keep him. His knee injury likely keeps him out into next season, so I presume the $$$ savings would be the incentive. Cole is built for the 3rd guard off the bench and is the BEST teammate in the league. ORL would miss him, but business is business. POR could take him for a test ride as an expiring next season and move Simons back into the long-term plans. Howard is the prospect that I think gets POR's attention. A late frp helps POR stomach the misstep of Scoot (because he sucks )

For ORL: Scoot slides into a second unit without the pressure of his draft position haunting him (Fultz 2.0 ). Ironically, he is paired with Anthony Black, who is very good but not much of a PG (yet?). Time Lord fills the gaps in our injury-decimated frontcourt and brings the rim protection Mosley longs for (other than his other minutes-restricted defensive freak, Isaac). Scoot's goal is to run the other team out of the gym, attack the rim and dish, after they've been pre-exhausted by KCP & Suggs' nightmarish defense. ORL really needs better shooting, but Scoot's upside is still tantalizing as a playmaker and rim-punisher. The other guys who ARE supposed to be shooters just need to shoot better.

[BadMofoPimp]

You're projecting a lot of vibes on young guys you don't really have any insight into...just like you're presuming a degree of internal offensive development without any kind of solid basis.

I just don't think the Magic are planning that short term. If Sexton comes cheap, I could see that happening, but I doubt the Magic do anything to disrupt their core chemistry. I really don't see anything happening and if nothing happens, I agree with it.

We're probably not really that far apart. Sexton is my favorite choice but probably also the toughest to wring out of Ainge's hands. I really don't think any of my suggestions are just short term...even if a guy contributes for 2 or 3 years, that's an NBA eternity and it's a lot easier to keep a guy who is already in-house, even as a UFA. Reality is waiting for guys to develop over 3 years is just a waste because (now that we're good AND top-heavy in salaries-like any good team) as soon as they contribute, they're due a big extension that we're not likely to be able to offer. Devos' are not Mark Cuban or the PHX guy - I suspect ORL's ownership WILL pump the brakes on tax penalties - even if we're winning.

I would absolutely hope/plan/discuss re-upping Simons, Sexton, Mccollum at around $20m per (regardless of where they are now). Two are presently overpaid and one is just about right...if that's out of the question and they haven't shown they are worth a bigger role with THIS team's makeup, then we move on ...after 1.5 seasons of trying. I don't see that as any more reckless than waiting and waiting on a lottery salary rookie to stop stumbling around. You KNOW what Simons, Sexton, or CJ will do the second they hit the floor...and it's exactly what we lack.

The cost will be more than the Magic would like to give out. They may make minor bench trades and thats it.

[Skybox]

I just don't think the Magic are planning that short term. If Sexton comes cheap, I could see that happening, but I doubt the Magic do anything to disrupt their core chemistry. I really don't see anything happening and if nothing happens, I agree with it.

We're probably not really that far apart. Sexton is my favorite choice but probably also the toughest to wring out of Ainge's hands. I really don't think any of my suggestions are just short term...even if a guy contributes for 2 or 3 years, that's an NBA eternity and it's a lot easier to keep a guy who is already in-house, even as a UFA. Reality is waiting for guys to develop over 3 years is just a waste because (now that we're good AND top-heavy in salaries-like any good team) as soon as they contribute, they're due a big extension that we're not likely to be able to offer. Devos' are not Mark Cuban or the PHX guy - I suspect ORL's ownership WILL pump the brakes on tax penalties - even if we're winning.

I would absolutely hope/plan/discuss re-upping Simons, Sexton, Mccollum at around $20m per (regardless of where they are now). Two are presently overpaid and one is just about right...if that's out of the question and they haven't shown they are worth a bigger role with THIS team's makeup, then we move on ...after 1.5 seasons of trying. I don't see that as any more reckless than waiting and waiting on a lottery salary rookie to stop stumbling around. You KNOW what Simons, Sexton, or CJ will do the second they hit the floor...and it's exactly what we lack.

The cost will be more than the Magic would like to give out. They may make minor bench trades and thats it.

these are minor bench trades - if they only involve Cole, Jett, Gary, Moe's expiring/TO, one of our two late firsts, srps...

[BadMofoPimp]

We're probably not really that far apart. Sexton is my favorite choice but probably also the toughest to wring out of Ainge's hands. I really don't think any of my suggestions are just short term...even if a guy contributes for 2 or 3 years, that's an NBA eternity and it's a lot easier to keep a guy who is already in-house, even as a UFA. Reality is waiting for guys to develop over 3 years is just a waste because (now that we're good AND top-heavy in salaries-like any good team) as soon as they contribute, they're due a big extension that we're not likely to be able to offer. Devos' are not Mark Cuban or the PHX guy - I suspect ORL's ownership WILL pump the brakes on tax penalties - even if we're winning.

I would absolutely hope/plan/discuss re-upping Simons, Sexton, Mccollum at around $20m per (regardless of where they are now). Two are presently overpaid and one is just about right...if that's out of the question and they haven't shown they are worth a bigger role with THIS team's makeup, then we move on ...after 1.5 seasons of trying. I don't see that as any more reckless than waiting and waiting on a lottery salary rookie to stop stumbling around. You KNOW what Simons, Sexton, or CJ will do the second they hit the floor...and it's exactly what we lack.

The cost will be more than the Magic would like to give out. They may make minor bench trades and thats it.

these are minor bench trades - if they only involve Cole, Jett, Gary, Moe's expiring/TO, one of our two late firsts, srps...

I don't think any of those guys would be happy being bench players in Orlando when they will be looking for better contracts soon. I still think that is way more than the Magic would be willing to give up for any player at this stage in their development.

[OrlandoDream]

I think Cole, Jett, and one of our 2025 FRP will be used at the deadline to upgrade the rotation and get some shooting/halfcourt playmaking.

Dell cant be traded until summer and I expect FO to gauge the market once again depending on how the season goes. KCP we just signed and looks like the coaching staff and FO love him. AB, TDS, and Mo are going to be our core bench pieces next season. They arent going anywhere.

JI is difficult to gauge. He can be a force in the playoffs but clearly regressed this year for whatever reason. I don't think FO is eager to trade him but if some team shows enough interest and offers good rotation piece we need....I think he is tradeable.

[The-Stallion70]

Losing Mo was big, he was our third or fourth best offensive player on a bottom 10 offense.

Our team is different with Goga starting and i feel that our offense is even worse. Goga is an inside presence and probably our best rebounder but our offense and spacing are even worse now and it is an awkward look having Wendell come off the bench with the bigger contract. Our team had balance before that we are still trying to find it appears.

I think that management understands the sense of urgency you should have when you have talent on the team like Banchero and Franz and imo they will try to make a trade.

[eyriq]

Cole + Jett for Simons

Orlando gets a dynamic scorer while Portland gets a development project in Jett and clarifies the back court.

[OnlyFranz22]

Think ppl are valuing Jett a little bit to much….

[Idiosyncratic]

Cole + Jett for Simons

Orlando gets a dynamic scorer while Portland gets a development project in Jett and clarifies the back court.

Yes. Maybe add a 2nd or 2. I'm out on a 1st for Simons. I've flip-flopped on it, but the gap between Cole and Simons is not big enough to justify a 1st IMO.

We really should look to add some form of shooting, I just don't want to see an overeaction overpay. The market is definitely set as decent rentals being obtainable for 2nds.

Would consider players who are no longer wanted by their teams or may be available in a 3 team deal also like Fontecchio, Dlo, Bojan, any of the Thunder wings if they make a big trade, Grayon Allen, Kennard, Kispert etc. Tanking teams may prefer taking a shot on Jett or 2nds if they acquire any of those guys in a deal to match salaries.

[RichCollab]

Cole + Jett for Simons

Orlando gets a dynamic scorer while Portland gets a development project in Jett and clarifies the back court.

Yes. Maybe add a 2nd or 2. I'm out on a 1st for Simons. I've flip-flopped on it, but the gap between Cole and Simons is not big enough to justify a 1st IMO.

We really should look to add some form of shooting, I just don't want to see an overeaction overpay. The market is definitely set as decent rentals being obtainable for 2nds.

Would consider players who are no longer wanted by their teams or may be available in a 3 team deal also like Fontecchio, Dlo, Bojan, any of the Thunder wings if they make a big trade, Grayon Allen, Kennard, Kispert etc. Tanking teams may prefer taking a shot on Jett or 2nds if they acquire any of those guys in a deal to match salaries.

Cole played the Simons role fine tonight. Even gave us a couple of nice defensive plays and 7 rebounds. Cole was definitely targeted this game and gave up a ton of points but Sexton/Simons would have been the same.

[ogmagicfan]

There's a reason why Simons & Sexton have been in trade rumors for so long and why they havent been traded for. It's the same story for alot of players. They have loud flaws in their game. For both Sexton & Simons its their defense & creating for others.

I remember when Sexton was on the Cavs, and 15 games into the season he got injured out for the season. They ended up turning their season around because Sexton's defense was holding them back, even though offensively he was shooting great numbers.

It sucks, its some real pick your poison. If I had to choose I'm going with Sexton because his contract is less, but both of them are worse defensively than Cole Anthony. Be ready for that. if we do pull the trigger

[Idiosyncratic]

Cole + Jett for Simons

Orlando gets a dynamic scorer while Portland gets a development project in Jett and clarifies the back court.

Yes. Maybe add a 2nd or 2. I'm out on a 1st for Simons. I've flip-flopped on it, but the gap between Cole and Simons is not big enough to justify a 1st IMO.

We really should look to add some form of shooting, I just don't want to see an overeaction overpay. The market is definitely set as decent rentals being obtainable for 2nds.

Would consider players who are no longer wanted by their teams or may be available in a 3 team deal also like Fontecchio, Dlo, Bojan, any of the Thunder wings if they make a big trade, Grayon Allen, Kennard, Kispert etc. Tanking teams may prefer taking a shot on Jett or 2nds if they acquire any of those guys in a deal to match salaries.

Cole played the Simons role fine tonight. Even gave us a couple of nice defensive plays and 7 rebounds. Cole was definitely targeted this game and gave up a ton of points but Sexton/Simons would have been the same.

I agree. We are too undermanned to win right now, I'm not reading into these games at all. No acquisition is changing these games with 3 starters and our 6th man out.

I'm really not a huge fan of the Cole/Sexton player type. I view Simons a little different because I think he could be an elite floor spacer off of the ball in a way Cole and Sexton aren't. Regardless I don't want to give up much in a trade because I don't view this as a year where we are very likely to contend BUT, I do think it would be fine to try to find a shooter for cheap to help because the problem even when healthy is real.

Also one move is not fixing the problem, but increasing this team's chances to win a playoff series does have some value and good players can be acquired for 2nds, so I have no problem with them looking to make a tweak or 2 at a reasonable cost.

[DiplomaticMagic]

Im not giving up a first for Sexton.

[eyriq]

Cole + Jett for something feels like framework.

[JRoy]

Cole + Jett for Simons

Orlando gets a dynamic scorer while Portland gets a development project in Jett and clarifies the back court.

Add FRP and it works.

[jezzerinho]

Losing Mo was big, he was our third or fourth best offensive player on a bottom 10 offense.

Our team is different with Goga starting and i feel that our offense is even worse. Goga is an inside presence and probably our best rebounder but our offense and spacing are even worse now and it is an awkward look having Wendell come off the bench with the bigger contract. Our team had balance before that we are still trying to find it appears.

I think that management understands the sense of urgency you should have when you have talent on the team like Banchero and Franz and imo they will try to make a trade.

"Jeff Weltman" and "sense of urgency". If you say so.