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Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXIV: Offseason Edition)

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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXIV: Offseason Edition 

Post#281 » by KingRobb02 » Wed May 23, 2012 5:05 pm

VGOSWAMI wrote:
TSKD000 wrote:IF we HAVE to trade Howard, this is MY preferred route...

ORL in: Bynum, Lowry, Scola
ORL out: Howard, Turk, JRich

LAL in: Howard, Turk, JRich
LAL out: Bynum, Gasol

HOU in: Gasol
HOU out: Lowry, Scola

Next trade: ORL - JJ, BBD, 1st Rnd pick

For

MIL: Monta

(If Nelson doesn't opt out)
Next Trade: ORL - Anderson, Nelson, future firsts

For

PHI - Iggy

PG: Lowry, Ish
SG: Monta, Wafer, Liggins
SF: Iggy, Q
PF: Scola, Clark
C: Bynum, FA, Orton

We have everything you need in that starting lineup.
Use the MLE and veteran mins to build the bench.

If we could get a JJ/BBD/19th pick for Monta deal, there would be no reason to trade Dwight.

I just assumed that these trades took place in an imaginary world where teams become more willing to make dumb trades with us after we lose our only path to the title.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXIV: Offseason Edition 

Post#282 » by the-diesel » Wed May 23, 2012 5:06 pm

No to any trade that sends Bynum to Orlando, Why, in God's name, would ANYBODY want to trade dwight for that bum? Give me expiring's and some young upstarts over Bynum, either we keep Dwight and make a run, or rebuild. Might I add, the latter is a sad proposition for Mr. DeVos.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXIV: Offseason Edition 

Post#283 » by Noonskadoodle » Wed May 23, 2012 5:17 pm

Yea VGOSWAMI I would actually like that team a lot. We could def end up top 3 in defense & we would have 2 playmakers in Reke/Iggy. Just doubt we could get both.

FWIW I would still take Reke & sign Gee :) haha.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXIV: Offseason Edition 

Post#284 » by KingRobb02 » Wed May 23, 2012 5:17 pm

the-diesel wrote:No to any trade that sends Bynum to Orlando, Why, in God's name, would ANYBODY want to trade dwight for that bum? Give me expiring's and some young upstarts over Bynum, either we keep Dwight and make a run, or rebuild. Might I add, the latter is a sad proposition for Mr. DeVos.

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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXIV: Offseason Edition 

Post#285 » by Racoon » Wed May 23, 2012 5:24 pm

The magic need a new CEO someone with experience Alex martin does not have any experience
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXIV: Offseason Edition 

Post#286 » by Nemesis21 » Wed May 23, 2012 5:25 pm

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the-diesel wrote:No to any trade that sends Bynum to Orlando, Why, in God's name, would ANYBODY want to trade dwight for that bum? Give me expiring's and some young upstarts over Bynum, either we keep Dwight and make a run, or rebuild. Might I add, the latter is a sad proposition for Mr. DeVos.

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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXIV: Offseason Edition 

Post#287 » by Def Swami » Wed May 23, 2012 5:33 pm

KingRobb02 wrote:
VGOSWAMI wrote:
TSKD000 wrote:IF we HAVE to trade Howard, this is MY preferred route...

ORL in: Bynum, Lowry, Scola
ORL out: Howard, Turk, JRich

LAL in: Howard, Turk, JRich
LAL out: Bynum, Gasol

HOU in: Gasol
HOU out: Lowry, Scola

Next trade: ORL - JJ, BBD, 1st Rnd pick

For

MIL: Monta

(If Nelson doesn't opt out)
Next Trade: ORL - Anderson, Nelson, future firsts

For

PHI - Iggy

PG: Lowry, Ish
SG: Monta, Wafer, Liggins
SF: Iggy, Q
PF: Scola, Clark
C: Bynum, FA, Orton

We have everything you need in that starting lineup.
Use the MLE and veteran mins to build the bench.

If we could get a JJ/BBD/19th pick for Monta deal, there would be no reason to trade Dwight.

I just assumed that these trades took place in an imaginary world where teams become more willing to make dumb trades with us after we lose our only path to the title.

Yeah I figured so. I was just making a side comment. That team would actually be legit. I just think landing Dwight a sidekick would keep him long term.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXIV: Offseason Edition 

Post#288 » by Ahmadab » Wed May 23, 2012 5:48 pm

Dwight made all Defensive first team over Tyson Chandler
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXIV: Offseason Edition 

Post#289 » by cedric76 » Wed May 23, 2012 5:52 pm

Ahmadab wrote:Dwight made all Defensive first team over Tyson Chandler


lol the DPOY doesnt make the 1st defense team lol
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXIV: Offseason Edition 

Post#290 » by WeAreVenom » Wed May 23, 2012 5:57 pm

cedric76 wrote:
Ahmadab wrote:Dwight made all Defensive first team over Tyson Chandler


lol the DPOY doesnt make the 1st defense team lol


I have never heard of that....

That's like the MVP being All-NBA Second Team.....

I think this is the coach's way of telling Dwight "We don't like what you did this season"

..............Or "We don't want to give you 4 in a row".
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXIV: Offseason Edition 

Post#291 » by Ahmadab » Wed May 23, 2012 5:57 pm

WeAreVenom wrote:
cedric76 wrote:
Ahmadab wrote:Dwight made all Defensive first team over Tyson Chandler


lol the DPOY doesnt make the 1st defense team lol


I have never heard of that....

That's like the MVP being All-NBA Second Team.....

I think this is the coach's way of telling Dwight "We don't like what you did this season"

..............Or "We don't want to give you 4 in a row".


Media votes DPOTY, Coaches vote All Defensive
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXIV: Offseason Edition 

Post#292 » by KingRobb02 » Wed May 23, 2012 6:46 pm

Somehow Ibaka made 1st team when his coach can't play him for half the game and Nick Collison is their defensive big guy in crunch time.

Iggy and Garnett should be on instead of Paul and Ibaka. Chandler has a legit claim to Dwight's spot as well.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXIV: Offseason Edition 

Post#293 » by BelgianMagic » Wed May 23, 2012 7:33 pm

Kendall Marshall doesn't like Tyson over Dwight on the 1st team either ..
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I feel your pain Tyson Chandler. I guess it be like that sometimes.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXIV: Offseason Edition 

Post#294 » by The Real Dalic » Wed May 23, 2012 7:36 pm

BelgianMagic wrote:Kendall Marshall doesn't like Tyson over Dwight on the 1st team either ..
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I feel your pain Tyson Chandler. I guess it be like that sometimes.

That's fine, he'll have plenty of time defending Dwight when we draft him. :wink: Might as well defend other Centers while you can.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXIV: Offseason Edition 

Post#295 » by magicman123 » Wed May 23, 2012 7:49 pm

BelgianMagic wrote:Kendall Marshall doesn't like Tyson over Dwight on the 1st team either ..
Kendall Marshall ‏@KButter5
I feel your pain Tyson Chandler. I guess it be like that sometimes.


isn't marshall standing up for chandler? not dwight, since chandler didn't make 1st team?
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXIV: Offseason Edition 

Post#296 » by G-Heel » Wed May 23, 2012 8:07 pm

WeAreVenom wrote:
cedric76 wrote:
Ahmadab wrote:Dwight made all Defensive first team over Tyson Chandler


lol the DPOY doesnt make the 1st defense team lol


I have never heard of that....

That's like the MVP being All-NBA Second Team.....

I think this is the coach's way of telling Dwight "We don't like what you did this season"

..............Or "We don't want to give you 4 in a row".


Happened before with Camby. We all know Dwight is a better defender than Chandler. It's combination of the drama, Dwight being 3x DPOY, and missing some games that got Chandler the DPOY.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXIV: Offseason Edition 

Post#297 » by Def Swami » Wed May 23, 2012 8:08 pm

JRudolph's latest post:
Opportunity is often discovered in the most awkward situations.

The Orlando Magic have dealt with plenty of head-scratching moments throughout the 11-12 season.

No situation was crazier than when Stan Van Gundy, the team’s former head coach, told the world that Dwight Howard wanted him to be fired. The unprecedented move aired the organization’s dirty laundry and made everyone, especially Howard, look bad. As crazy as that moment was, it wasn’t the most surprising. If we’re being honest, Van Gundy only confirmed an idea that many people already believed.

The most significant moment, and at this point the most relevant, is the initial report that Howard would be given the power to decide the fates of Van Gundy and Otis Smith, both now former Magic employees. The moment people started to discuss that particular rumor, the Magic gained leverage in the court of public opinion, which is a very important factor in this business.

No longer were Smith’s costly roster moves important. Van Gundy’s coaching methods were secondary. The complaints that fans and players have had no longer mattered because at that moment, Howard was universally seen as just another diva athlete showing he had absolute power; Smith and Van Gundy were collateral damage.

More importantly, the Magic no longer needed a real reason to fire Van Gundy or Smith. They could cite the team’s direction, first-round exits, lack of a return trip to the NBA Finals, whatever they felt sounded best because everyone assumes the move was made to appease their franchise player even if he, directly, had nothing to do with the decision.

Here is where the opportunity is found in all of this.

The Magic are positioned to lose Howard and come out looking like they did everything in their power to keep him. In the meantime, Howard’s image will take another hit.

From the perspective of a fan, it appears the Magic have started the process of meeting Howard’s demands, even though CEO Alex Martins has said Howard never asked for either man to be fired. The perception is that Howard is calling the shots.

The media’s point of view is that Howard has removed himself from the team and city and won’t ever return.

All of these things are happening without anyone having a real idea of how Howard feels or what he wants. And with him allowing this thing to get ahead of him, any response he makes will be seen as damage control.

It’s foolish to think the Magic don’t know this.

It’s even more foolish to believe they won’t capitalize on that idea in an effort to appease their fanbase, a fanbase that won’t be too eager to pay to watch a lottery team.

At the end of the day, this is a business. The Magic won’t let Howard take their fanbase with him if he leaves.

What has been lost in this entire ordeal are the real basketball issues that exist with Orlando. Howard is one of the most valuable players in the NBA, but the Magic are a middle-of-the-road team and there isn’t anything worse than that in professional sports. From a basketball perspective, Howard has every reason to explore his options and every reason to expect the Magic to improve the team’s on-court chances and off-court appeal.

Unfortunately, this situation isn’t primarily about the on-court product anymore. This has now become about saving face and avoiding more negative publicity. The sad thing is that may not be possible for either side.

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I completely agree with Rudolph's assessment. The Magic brass aren't dumb and they know they've been thru this with Shaq. The moment Dwight walks, Amway will be full of empty seats for a very long time, and they'll do their best to show that they've done all that they could. When in reality, they really haven't done anything at all. It's frustrating to turn on ESPN and see talking heads buy into this and say Dwight's spoiled for still wanting to leave after firing the coach and GM. Average fans and outsiders don't know how inept this organization is and our local Orlando media does a terrible job of exposing it.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXIV: Offseason Edition 

Post#298 » by Def Swami » Wed May 23, 2012 8:10 pm

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The Orlando Magic are planning a draft workout for next week. Terrence Ross will likely be in attendance as well as several other guards.

Looks like we're working out players for the first time.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXIV: Offseason Edition 

Post#299 » by Nyce_1 » Wed May 23, 2012 8:26 pm

VGOSWAMI wrote:
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The Orlando Magic are planning a draft workout for next week. Terrence Ross will likely be in attendance as well as several other guards.

Looks like we're working out players for the first time.
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we've held draft workouts before. I'm waiting to see we'll have Marshall in for a workout.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXIV: Offseason Edition 

Post#300 » by Def Swami » Wed May 23, 2012 8:32 pm

Nyce_1 wrote:
VGOSWAMI wrote:
Alex Kennedy ‏@AlexKennedyNBA
The Orlando Magic are planning a draft workout for next week. Terrence Ross will likely be in attendance as well as several other guards.

Looks like we're working out players for the first time.
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we've held draft workouts before. I'm waiting to see we'll have Marshall in for a workout.

I don't think Marshall is working out for any teams. I think he's still recovering from wrist surgery.

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