Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXXI: Off-Season Edition)

[mhectorgato]

Lakers Have 'Growing List Of Concerns' About Dealing For Howard
Jul 03, 2012 3:21 PM EDT

While the Lakers do appear to be in play for Dwight Howard, they also have a 'growing list of concerns' on actually acquiring him, according to a source.

Howard underwent season-ending back surgery on a bulging disk and it is unclear if he would actually sign a contract extension after privately saying he didn't want to play for the Lakers.

The Lakers also are uninterested in taking back additional salary in a trade for Howard.

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... z1zadlN8GG

Growing list of concerns. This is why, for the people saying why I want to rush into, is my reasoning for questioning Rob's slow moving decision making. Don't get me wrong I'm all for the best decisions but sometimes its best to take what you can get before it's too late. A lot of teams before a few weeks ago didn't have a growing list of concerns. They would take Howard, Rent Howard, no issues. Now that things have spiraled out of control, teams are thinking, twice, three times about this. I mean Rob says he wants to make the best move, there must be something else on the table for him to be so patient.

But the growing concerns is hurting us if the rebuilding, or building around another all star route is the route we want to go.

Which is why i was hoping we hired a GM a month before the draft so he would have time to work this out BEFORE the draft, but with him getting hired less than a week before, it made it nearly impossible to get anything done. But now, he HAS to take his time and make the best deal possible going forward, cant just rush a decision no matter how bad the fans (myself include) want this to before with ASAP

Henny was employeed by one of the Final's team - he (and his employers) was preoccupied.

Should we have settled for 2nd best, just because we weren't patient?

[Idunkonyou2]

People need to stop their crazy fantasy trades that has us trading Howard to a team with in our own division. THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN!

In other news... the Yankees and Red Sox consummated a trade today and the Patriots and Jets are closing in on their trade talks as well.

Comparing Baseball/Football to Basketball? I guess you have no idea how the other two sports work.

[RickB-Orlando]

I'd rather have Al Horford or Jason Thompson over Bynum.

Are the rest of you as confident as this guy in regards to Bynum's chronic knee condition?

What about Horford's injury problems last year? Or Dwight's for that matter?

People get hurt playing basketball, that's professional sports.


Oh, and Thompson? That part was intended to be a joke, right?

[ThatFloridaDude]

Lakers Have 'Growing List Of Concerns' About Dealing For Howard
Jul 03, 2012 3:21 PM EDT

While the Lakers do appear to be in play for Dwight Howard, they also have a 'growing list of concerns' on actually acquiring him, according to a source.

Howard underwent season-ending back surgery on a bulging disk and it is unclear if he would actually sign a contract extension after privately saying he didn't want to play for the Lakers.

The Lakers also are uninterested in taking back additional salary in a trade for Howard.

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... z1zadlN8GG

Growing list of concerns. This is why, for the people saying why I want to rush into, is my reasoning for questioning Rob's slow moving decision making. Don't get me wrong I'm all for the best decisions but sometimes its best to take what you can get before it's too late. A lot of teams before a few weeks ago didn't have a growing list of concerns. They would take Howard, Rent Howard, no issues. Now that things have spiraled out of control. teams are thinking, twice, three times about this. I mean Rob says he wants to make the best move, there must be something else on the table for him to be so patient.
But the growing concerns is hurting is if the rebuilding, or building around another all star route is the route we want to go.

LA is clearly trying to take advantage of Henny's inexperience by scaring him into a deal that doesn't include one of our bad contracts... smh.

You think so? I didn't see it that way, but Henny has already shown he won't be bullied. He keeps saying how he wants this team to be, and I guess the L.A. offer didn't work for him, but there is nothing else better out there I mean really. No package from Brooklyn or Houston suites Henny well, otherwise we'd be focused in that direction.

In all, it just appears as though we may (to Real magic Fans on here) be in for another season of uncertainty.

[G-Heel]

Lakers Have 'Growing List Of Concerns' About Dealing For Howard
Jul 03, 2012 3:21 PM EDT

While the Lakers do appear to be in play for Dwight Howard, they also have a 'growing list of concerns' on actually acquiring him, according to a source.

Howard underwent season-ending back surgery on a bulging disk and it is unclear if he would actually sign a contract extension after privately saying he didn't want to play for the Lakers.

The Lakers also are uninterested in taking back additional salary in a trade for Howard.

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... z1zadlN8GG

Growing list of concerns. This is why, for the people saying why I want to rush into, is my reasoning for questioning Rob's slow moving decision making. Don't get me wrong I'm all for the best decisions but sometimes its best to take what you can get before it's too late. A lot of teams before a few weeks ago didn't have a growing list of concerns. They would take Howard, Rent Howard, no issues. Now that things have spiraled out of control, teams are thinking, twice, three times about this. I mean Rob says he wants to make the best move, there must be something else on the table for him to be so patient.
But the growing concerns is hurting us if the rebuilding, or building around another all star route is the route we want to go.

They just trying to drive down the asking price.

[RickB-Orlando]

Lakers Have 'Growing List Of Concerns' About Dealing For Howard
Jul 03, 2012 3:21 PM EDT

While the Lakers do appear to be in play for Dwight Howard, they also have a 'growing list of concerns' on actually acquiring him, according to a source.

Howard underwent season-ending back surgery on a bulging disk and it is unclear if he would actually sign a contract extension after privately saying he didn't want to play for the Lakers.

The Lakers also are uninterested in taking back additional salary in a trade for Howard.

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... z1zadlN8GG

Growing list of concerns. This is why, for the people saying why I want to rush into, is my reasoning for questioning Rob's slow moving decision making. Don't get me wrong I'm all for the best decisions but sometimes its best to take what you can get before it's too late. A lot of teams before a few weeks ago didn't have a growing list of concerns. They would take Howard, Rent Howard, no issues. Now that things have spiraled out of control, teams are thinking, twice, three times about this. I mean Rob says he wants to make the best move, there must be something else on the table for him to be so patient.
But the growing concerns is hurting us if the rebuilding, or building around another all star route is the route we want to go.

This is all positioning on LA's part. They claim they have concerns, try to twist that into a better trade for themselves. Rob responds with his disinterest in taking back MWP and mentions in passing the great offers he is getting from Atlanta and Houston.

Back and forth is all part of the process, especially when dealing superstars as opposed to interchangeable parts. Step back from the ledge, give it a little time, and let's see what happens.

[SolidSnake008]

I didn't want Bynum before the season but now after a full season i don't think he's that bad anymore.....We lose Dwight that will be rough although.....With Bynum offensively we'll lose nothing from the Center position in fact i think we'll gain......we'll lose a little bit from Rebounding and lose quite a bit defensively from the C position but overall not a bad consolation prize.....I would love a better deal but as far as we know that's whats on the table....plus Bigs are a commodity in this league.....i mean a Big like DeAndre Jordan can get 10 million a year.....

[ThatFloridaDude]

I understand the "patience" angle. And I wouldn't pretend to be a GMm or even qualified to be one. But it looks like the Lakers are balking at the Howard deal now. Houston may be backing off. I mean I think teams are tired of playing games with the Magic and Howard. It is F/A season and teams are trying to add to their teams before all the quality F/A get snapped up. They do not have time to play the waiting game with Dwight and Hennigan. In the meantime, apparently some potentially appealing trade offers are vaporizing. I hope Henny is not over his head here.

+1 You worded it much better than I did. The way I put it put people into snap mode.
Thats all though. My only concern is we don't lose what teams that are interested due to "Our Patience"

[Cigamodnalro]

What about Horford's injury problems last year? Or Dwight's for that matter?

Um.

Trainers learned that Bynum underwent his first knee operation when he was 12 and were concerned about his Q angle—the relationship between his pelvis, leg and foot. According to head athletic trainer Gary Vitti, a wide Q angle can affect the way the kneecap glides along the thigh bone and can also cause increased foot pronation, both common sources of injuries. "Andrew is challenged in terms of his skeleton," Vitti says. "But we can work with those issues to some degree. What you can't do is take someone with a normal Q angle and make him 7 feet, 285 pounds."

Bynum is ESPECIALLY susceptible to injury. In fact, he is congenially predisposed towards it.

[Idunkonyou2]

I think Rob is waiting on Williams. As soon as he signs, he will get the Howard trade moving.

[BadMofoPimp]

Rumblings I am hearing are that the Magic may not trade Dwight at all being in the end, his choices next summer would be worse than what the Magic have to offer.

[ThatFloridaDude]

Question for anybody:

Howard as the first option on the Orlando Magic made his team mates better yeah?
So if Bynum, who is much better offensively was the first option on the Magic, would he make his teammates better? or would he himself, be better without having team mates (Kobe, Gasol) who were the options in front of him?

In honesty I think a Bynum trade makes HIM better because he will be the first option. Not only that you rarely see Bynum doubled teamed because of the due fact he had great teamates. If Dwight goes to L.A. the same will happen and Dwight is not a good of a 1 on one player such as Bynum is. i think we gain a lot more offensively.

[RickB-Orlando]

What about Horford's injury problems last year? Or Dwight's for that matter?

Um.

Trainers learned that Bynum underwent his first knee operation when he was 12 and were concerned about his Q angle—the relationship between his pelvis, leg and foot. According to head athletic trainer Gary Vitti, a wide Q angle can affect the way the kneecap glides along the thigh bone and can also cause increased foot pronation, both common sources of injuries. "Andrew is challenged in terms of his skeleton," Vitti says. "But we can work with those issues to some degree. What you can't do is take someone with a normal Q angle and make him 7 feet, 285 pounds."

Bynum is ESPECIALLY susceptible to injury. In fact, he is congenially predisposed towards it.

Yep, I've read that before. I was pleasantly surprised when he played a full season, especially considering that it's been a compressed one.

I just think it's worth noting that Bynum was the only one of the three that actually made it through the entire season injury-free. Horford at least made it back for a few playoff games and played pretty well. We all know what happened to Dwight.

[woosah]

I agree lakers just trying to drive down the price. That Woj article said Henny wanted Bynum picks and to absorb some salary, so the lakers want concessions on his desires. Let this back and forth continue for a while, at least until Deron says what he will do. We got plenty of bumps and hills and valleys left on this ride.

[Dgbarnes]

I honestly think Dwight would hate to be sent to the Lakers, he'd be following Shaq's footsteps and D12 has made it known that he wants to write a unique script to his career.

[BelgianMagic]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA
Brooklyn is finalizing a sign-and-trade deal with the Los Angeles Clippers for Reggie Evans, league sources tell Y! Sports.

[Ahmadab]

“@WojYahooNBA: Brooklyn is finalizing a sign-and-trade deal with the Los Angeles Clippers for Reggie Evans, league sources tell Y! Sports.”

[ThatFloridaDude]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA
Brooklyn is finalizing a sign-and-trade deal with the Los Angeles Clippers for Reggie Evans, league sources tell Y! Sports.

What in tarnation is brooklyn trying to do? haha. I see their patience for dwight has ran dry.

[OrlChamps2030]

Question for anybody:

Howard as the first option on the Orlando Magic made his team mates better yeah?
So if Bynum, who is much better offensively was the first option on the Magic, would he make his teammates better? or would he himself, be better without having team mates (Kobe, Gasol) who were the options in front of him?

In honesty I think a Bynum trade makes HIM better because he will be the first option. Not only that you rarely see Bynum doubled teamed because of the due fact he had great teamates. If Dwight goes to L.A. the same will happen and Dwight is not a good of a 1 on one player such as Bynum is. i think we gain a lot more offensively.

I think Bynum being the #1 option he can put up the best center stats since Yao. Like 25/13.

Bynum is better offensively than Dwight now, and has a higher ceiling than Dwight on offense.

Dwight has reached his offensive ceiling imo

[woosah]

and who are the clips getting???