Official Speculation Thread (Pt. LV - NBA Draft Edition)

[G-Heel]

Mcw is a risk for sure but he's one of the prospects with the highest potential. Being able to shoot it helps but it isn't required to play at an elite level imo. Look at Rubio, look at Rondo those guys aren't the greatest shooters but they can play at a high level, more Rondo than Rubio but still it isn't a requirement.

MCW's mechanics isn't bad he just shoots a flat shot, no arc. His size and athleticism at the pg position you can't teach. If he can get stronger he'll have a physical advantage almost every night against opposing point guards.

People talk about potential with Mclemore but why doesn't Mcw get the same shake? Personally I think Williams potential is higher than Mclemore if we're simply just talking about potential.

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All the talks about his athleticism, but he avg sub-40% FG. Rondo can't shoot, but at least he was able to drive in (50% FG in college). So if he can't use his athleticism to drive in, what is it good for? I wouldn't mind taking a chance on him, but it gotta be a late lottery pick at the earliest.

[KillMonger]

People talk about potential with Mclemore but why doesn't Mcw get the same shake? Personally I think Williams potential is higher than Mclemore if we're simply just talking about potential.

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Where ya been at dude? Pretty much everyone who wants MCW wants him solely because of his potential/upside lol.

I'm not that big of a MCW fan myself but if we had a later pick i guess I wouldn't be opposed to him.. cant teach size

I get that homes, it's just that when I see people talking about Mclemore all I hear is his potential and what he could be, all star, blah blah blah which is fair. On the flipside though most of the time when MCW is brought up all I hear is what he can't do. I shouldn't expect anything less though I mean people are going to hype up the prospects they like and down play the ones they don't

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[Mrrags009]

Would anyone be mad with if we did the Minny trade and the dallas trade and came out of the draft with d Williams .. Mcw... Jamal franklin and tony Mitchell is tend to call that a pretty good draft day .. Plus those pieces can be traded for a star

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[Def Swami]

Rob Hennigan at Adidas Eurocamp enjoying gelato.

Dario Vismara ‏@Canigggia 8h
Che gggiovane quel blogger con maglietta nera, jeans e gelato. Ah no, è Rob Hennigan, GM degli Orlando Magic... pic.twitter.com/hGHKYCoIZ4

[OrlChamps2030]

People talk about potential with Mclemore but why doesn't Mcw get the same shake? Personally I think Williams potential is higher than Mclemore if we're simply just talking about potential.

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Where ya been at dude? Pretty much everyone who wants MCW wants him solely because of his potential/upside lol.

I'm not that big of a MCW fan myself but if we had a later pick i guess I wouldn't be opposed to him.. cant teach size

I get that homes, it's just that when I see people talking about Mclemore all I hear is his potential and what he could be, all star, blah blah blah which is fair. On the flipside though most of the time when MCW is brought up all I hear is what he can't do. I shouldn't expect anything less though I mean people are going to hype up the prospects they like and down play the ones they don't

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Most of the times I hear about MCW it's about how much of a boom/bust guy he is. Which I can kinda agree with. Could be pre-injury Livingston/Penny-lite...could be Sasser and playing overseas in a few years.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Mcw is a risk for sure but he's one of the prospects with the highest potential. Being able to shoot it helps but it isn't required to play at an elite level imo. Look at Rubio, look at Rondo those guys aren't the greatest shooters but they can play at a high level, more Rondo than Rubio but still it isn't a requirement.

MCW's mechanics isn't bad he just shoots a flat shot, no arc. His size and athleticism at the pg position you can't teach. If he can get stronger he'll have a physical advantage almost every night against opposing point guards.

People talk about potential with Mclemore but why doesn't Mcw get the same shake? Personally I think Williams potential is higher than Mclemore if we're simply just talking about potential.
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Because people aren't simply talking about potential when comparing these specific players. McLemore/Dipo can immediately translate with their current skillset.

MCW while oozing with potential, has a longer way to go and more holes in his game. He isn't as good as either of the above mentioned right now.

[dsg2021]

Schmitz thinks McLemore is the Magic's No1 prospect in the latest OS trade down article. He thinks we want to trade down for a good deal and/or a later prospect, or our No1 (according to him, McLemore atm) is taken and we trade down.

I don't get why they might not go with No2 BPA though. I have not seen any trade ideas that give a single player as good as the Magic's No1 rated prospect (if its available, might not even be McLemore in the end bc no 100.00% Magic confirmation, or, changed\finalizing Magic draft boards) and even the No2 rated prospect.

LBP has probably the only trade down package I've seen yet that Im not either utterly against, or needing to see how it turns out for the 2-12 range 2013 picks first (in a similar retrospect fashion as acquiring Vuc & Moe, Tobias- Remember they had confirmed 1st round pick offers (Woj) for JJ they turned down for Tobias). I think it was CHA's #4, and then the Det and Por picks that have outside chances of becoming late 2014 lottery picks (2014 Wiggins/Parker/Player X ammunition for trading up or hitting later homeruns) and good chances of becoming 1-2 2015 1st rounders. #4 and those two picks for #2 and the Lal or Phi 1st rounders or maybe both.

[IGotDaMagicInMe]

Gut feeling that we trade with charlotte

Cle: Porter
Charlotte: Noel
WSH: Bennett
ORL: Bmac

I think we trade with Somebody else as well, like Dallas maybe and end up with a PG: Burke, McCollum, MCW, Larkin or Schroeder

[flying_mollusk]

Does anyone think its possible we become players in the 2014 free agent market? Thought about this because we might not have cap space to sign a valuable player in 2015, since we will likely have Vucevic and Harris (assuming continue production) locked up to less cap friendly contracts than their current rookie deals. At this stage, we have $37 million locked up in salaries, plus another 9 million or so for our next two draft picks in 2013 and 2014. That brings us to about 45 million, plus or minus cap holds. The player Id zone in on as a potential target that we could plausibly sign is Larry Sanders, a defensive force that would be great next to Vucevic, and happens to be from Florida.

Bringing back that Minnesota deal, I wonder if the Magic and Wolves could work out this trade, assuming CJ McCollum is there:

Oladido, Big Baby and Aaron Afflalo for McCollum, AK47 and D. Williams. This essentially lets us lose about 10 million in cap space outright since AK47 expires. Once we get Sanders, these become our top assets:

Larry Sanders
2014 high pick (Wiggins, Parker, Randle, Smart?)
Vucevic
T. Harris
McCollum
Harkless
Nicholson
D. Williams

That's a solid core going into the 2015 season and beyond.

[in-limbo]

Hey folks, here is something for you to try, off topic. The Magic's site has a "where were you when" article on their home page. There are 25 photos of significant moments in Magic history. Without looking at the description to the right see how well you do guessing the moment they are referring to, no cheating it's not a contest. Those of us who have been around since the beginning will do pretty well, I missed two. Fun way to go down memory lane.

[Howard Cosell]

Does anyone think its possible we become players in the 2014 free agent market? Thought about this because we might not have cap space to sign a valuable player in 2015, since we will likely have Vucevic and Harris (assuming continue production) locked up to less cap friendly contracts than their current rookie deals. At this stage, we have $37 million locked up in salaries, plus another 9 million or so for our next two draft picks in 2013 and 2014. That brings us to about 45 million, plus or minus cap holds. The player Id zone in on as a potential target that we could plausibly sign is Larry Sanders, a defensive force that would be great next to Vucevic, and happens to be from Florida.

Bringing back that Minnesota deal, I wonder if the Magic and Wolves could work out this trade, assuming CJ McCollum is there:

Oladido, Big Baby and Aaron Afflalo for McCollum, AK47 and D. Williams. This essentially lets us lose about 10 million in cap space outright since AK47 expires. Once we get Sanders, these become our top assets:

Larry Sanders
2014 high pick (Wiggins, Parker, Randle, Smart?)
Vucevic
T. Harris
McCollum
Harkless
Nicholson
D. Williams

That's a solid core going into the 2015 season and beyond.

Can't use AK47 in this deal because he has a player option, which here in Minnesota he is rumored to want to opt out. It looks like AK47 wants a 3 year contract worth 21-22 Mil which would probably be like a 9-7-6. Assuming McCollum lands at 9# I think the only way a Orlando/Minnesota deal can go down is the following:


Orlando 2nd pick overall + Nelson (8.6Mil)

For

Minnesota 9th pick overall + Williams (5.0Mil) + Ridnour (4.3Mil-1 year)

or

Minnesota 9th pick overall + Williams (5.0Mil) + Gelabale (916,000 guaranteed after July 17) + Steimsma (2,690,875 guaranteed after July 17)

[Skin]

Can't use AK47 in this deal because he has a player option, which here in Minnesota he is rumored to want to opt out. It looks like AK47 wants a 3 year contract worth 21-22 Mil which would probably be like a 9-7-6. Assuming McCollum lands at 9# I think the only way a Orlando/Minnesota deal can go down is the following:


Orlando 2nd pick overall + Nelson (8.6Mil)

For

Minnesota 9th pick overall + Williams (5.0Mil) + Ridnour (4.3Mil-1 year)

or

Minnesota 9th pick overall + Williams (5.0Mil) + Gelabale (916,000 guaranteed after July 17) + Steimsma (2,690,875 guaranteed after July 17)

I get that you want to stick in Williams as some sort of substitute for value, but since being drafted all Williams has done is destroyed his stock. He totally stunk as a rookie. Going into his sophomore season, he lost a lot of weight in order prepare himself to play SF, but that didn't work either. He doesn't have the mindset to want to play PF. He's just a tweener without a position. I don't see how he helps the Magic in any way shape or form.

There's no trade that makes sense for the Magic to make a trade with Minnesota unless Minnesota moves into the Top 5 first.

A package around Afflao for #9 is where you need to refocus your thoughts.

[RickB-Orlando]

Would anyone be mad with if we did the Minny trade and the dallas trade and came out of the draft with d Williams .. Mcw... Jamal franklin and tony Mitchell is tend to call that a pretty good draft day .. Plus those pieces can be traded for a star

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I wouldn't be happy with that. Not at all.

[Howard Cosell]

Can't use AK47 in this deal because he has a player option, which here in Minnesota he is rumored to want to opt out. It looks like AK47 wants a 3 year contract worth 21-22 Mil which would probably be like a 9-7-6. Assuming McCollum lands at 9# I think the only way a Orlando/Minnesota deal can go down is the following:


Orlando 2nd pick overall + Nelson (8.6Mil)

For

Minnesota 9th pick overall + Williams (5.0Mil) + Ridnour (4.3Mil-1 year)

or

Minnesota 9th pick overall + Williams (5.0Mil) + Gelabale (916,000 guaranteed after July 17) + Steimsma (2,690,875 guaranteed after July 17)

I get that you want to stick in Williams as some sort of substitute for value, but since being drafted all Williams has done is destroyed his stock. He totally stunk as a rookie. Going into his sophomore season, he lost a lot of weight in order prepare himself to play SF, but that didn't work either. He doesn't have the mindset to want to play PF. He's just a tweener without a position. I don't see how he helps the Magic in any way shape or form.

There's no trade that makes sense for the Magic to make a trade with Minnesota unless Minnesota moves into the Top 5 first.

A package around Afflao for #9 is where you need to refocus your thoughts.

I have also come to the conclusion that Minnesota does not have the pieces to deal with Orlando. There won't be any deals for Afflao being the main piece for the 9# pick however. Orlando is in the catbird seat and is going to get some good value back trading the 2nd pick, if that is what they decide to do.

[flying_mollusk]

A MN trade might work out if Henny is convinced that one of the top players in this draft will be there at 9. This posits that Henny is a superior talent evaluator, which is what we've come to have faith in. For example, if this was 2012, and Henny traded with Minny from 2 to 9, he could get Drummond. If this is 2011, he could get Kawhi Leonard. I bring this up because any swap should be assessed with hindsight.

Yes, value wise, 2 to 5 is probably equal in terms of value charts. But if you dump bad contracts, go from 2 to 9, and get the player you want, then youve nailed it.

With D. Williams, he still has value. He showed signs last year. Plus, the team can just cut him if he doesnt work out via team option.

[flying_mollusk]

Does anyone think its possible we become players in the 2014 free agent market? Thought about this because we might not have cap space to sign a valuable player in 2015, since we will likely have Vucevic and Harris (assuming continue production) locked up to less cap friendly contracts than their current rookie deals. At this stage, we have $37 million locked up in salaries, plus another 9 million or so for our next two draft picks in 2013 and 2014. That brings us to about 45 million, plus or minus cap holds. The player Id zone in on as a potential target that we could plausibly sign is Larry Sanders, a defensive force that would be great next to Vucevic, and happens to be from Florida.

Bringing back that Minnesota deal, I wonder if the Magic and Wolves could work out this trade, assuming CJ McCollum is there:

Oladido, Big Baby and Aaron Afflalo for McCollum, AK47 and D. Williams. This essentially lets us lose about 10 million in cap space outright since AK47 expires. Once we get Sanders, these become our top assets:

Larry Sanders
2014 high pick (Wiggins, Parker, Randle, Smart?)
Vucevic
T. Harris
McCollum
Harkless
Nicholson
D. Williams

That's a solid core going into the 2015 season and beyond.

Can't use AK47 in this deal because he has a player option, which here in Minnesota he is rumored to want to opt out. It looks like AK47 wants a 3 year contract worth 21-22 Mil which would probably be like a 9-7-6. Assuming McCollum lands at 9# I think the only way a Orlando/Minnesota deal can go down is the following:


Orlando 2nd pick overall + Nelson (8.6Mil)

For

Minnesota 9th pick overall + Williams (5.0Mil) + Ridnour (4.3Mil-1 year)

or

Minnesota 9th pick overall + Williams (5.0Mil) + Gelabale (916,000 guaranteed after July 17) + Steimsma (2,690,875 guaranteed after July 17)

Nelson and Harrington's contracts arent that bad because neither are fully guaranteed in 2014-15.

Oladipo, Afflalo, Davis.

McCollum, Williams, Ridnour and Steimsma.

This clears 7 million off of our books for 2014 free agency.

I think it only goes down if our guy is there at #9.

[MagicFan32]

this board is setting itself up for disappointment if the magic simply stay at 2, and do nothing else. then we'll be hearing people bash hennigan, while not knowing anything he was offered

[Def Swami]

Sam Amico ‏@SamAmicoFSO 8m
I really think, in the end, Cavs will go with Ben McLemore. I'd be surprised if they wanted to wait a year for Noel. But just a theory.

[MagicFan32]

Sam Amico ‏@SamAmicoFSO 8m
I really think, in the end, Cavs will go with Ben McLemore. I'd be surprised if they wanted to wait a year for Noel. But just a theory.

this is very disappointing to me, if true. Cleveland watched Noel very closely at kentucky, but if this starts a bidding war for teams to jump up and grab Noel or Oladipo maybe this'll work out for us.

RE: If we picked up another pick and grabbed MCW, I would be fine with the risk, but wouldn't be a fan of him being our primary pick.

[Smooth_E]

this board is setting itself up for disappointment if the magic simply stay at 2, and do nothing else. then we'll be hearing people bash hennigan, while not knowing anything he was offered

+1
Someone please put this where everyone can see it.