The Trade Thread II

[nymets1]

Lets go get Zach Lavine!

Zach LaVine will miss the remainder of the season after an MRI revealed a torn ACL in his left knee.
Oh no. LaVine had some contact to his knee on Friday and was originally diagnosed with a contusion. This is obviously a massive blow to the Wolves

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nba/2304/zach-lavine

We really should be tanking this season. Zach Lavine is done for the season but now is the perfect time to go after him when we should be tanking. We can get Lavine ready for next year and we'll be better next year with a healthy Zach Lavine and whoever we get in the draft. Go get Zach Lavine, shouldn't have to give much for him at this point when him out for the year.

[Jiwol]

And you felt the need to post the same ish in 3 different threads?

[magicfan4life88]

There goes any Zach Levine trade, torn ACL

[magicfan4life88]

Lets go get Zach Lavine!

Zach LaVine will miss the remainder of the season after an MRI revealed a torn ACL in his left knee.
Oh no. LaVine had some contact to his knee on Friday and was originally diagnosed with a contusion. This is obviously a massive blow to the Wolves

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nba/2304/zach-lavine

We really should be tanking this season. Zach Lavine is done for the season but now is the perfect time to go after him when we should be tanking. We can get Lavine ready for next year and we'll be better next year with a healthy Zach Lavine and whoever we get in the draft. Go get Zach Lavine, shouldn't have to give much for him at this point when him out for the year.

Just saw that you posted about it, lol

[drpepper10]

how will you fix this team right now and who will you keep on the team and who will you take off this team right now if you were the gm of the magic?

[nymets1]

Its much easier to trade for Lavine now. Not saying the Twolves would trade him but Lavine was untradeable when he was healthy. Now that Lavine is out for the year, The Twolves might do a trade depending on what it is. We had no shot at trading for Lavine when he was healthy, When we get a chance since he suffered a injury and is out for the year. It is definitely worth trading for Lavine, We can get him 100% ready next year, maybe not at the start of the season but lets make sure we get him 100% recovered. I said on the Timberwolves that I like Karl Anthony Towns, Wiggins and Lavine. We got no shot at Towns or Wiggins but now we could get Lavine.

[nymets1]

I say right now try to give up as little as possible for Zach Lavine and see if they bite, Great trade if we barely have to give up anything. If it drags on til right before the trade deadline, Up the offer to trade for Lavine. We are supposed to be tanking anyway.

If T'wolves got an offer from Lavine and said ok, maybe they think ok lets move on from Lavine because we don't know how much we get out of him in the future and the player we are getting back for Lavine makes sense to do it. Than our side I guess we are taking somewhat of a risk that he gets recovered? I think Lavine will be fine if he gets to 100% recovered.

[PrimeThyme]

[quote="nymets1"]I say right now try to give up as little as possible for Zach Lavine and see if they bite, Great trade if we barely have to give up anything. If it drags on til right before the trade deadline, Up the offer to trade for Lavine. We are supposed to be tanking anyway.[/quote]
How many times are you going to regurgitate the same chit? Give it a rest

[MagicFan32]

Hey y'all, Suns fan here, just wondering how Magic fans feel about a trade that Zach Lowe mentioned as one of his favorite realistic trades out there. From his article from today:

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18601276/zach-lowe-eric-bledsoe-devin-booker-phoenix-suns-nba

That leaves my favorite fake Bledsoe trade: something like Nikola Vucevic, Mario Hezonja, and the Magic's unprotected pick for Bledsoe and Alex Len. Substitute Elfrid Payton for Hezonja if you'd like, but again, the Suns are sitting on a top-three pick in a point guard-heavy draft.

The Magic went deep into talks for Bledsoe before the Clippers traded him to Phoenix. They remain divided on whether Payton, surging a bit over the last six weeks, is the solution. They want to make the playoffs ASAP.

There are obvious complications, including whether the Magic would part with their pick -- even with some protections -- after swapping last year's (plus Victor Oladipo, gulp) for Serge Ibaka. Phoenix may not have the political will to take a step back in Year Seven of a playoff drought.

The Suns and Bledsoe are happy to stand pat. Bledsoe has made Phoenix his offseason home.

I consider Zach Lowe to be the best NBA writer alive, and I think most of the article is, as usual, very well done, but this trade struck me as a good deal for the Suns and not a great deal for the Magic. I know he has his finger on the pulse of most front offices and generally his sources on "how front offices are feeling" are accurate, even when some of his trade specifics are not.

How do y'all feel about this one?

amway center should be burned down if this happens

[magicfan4life88]

Vuc or Ibaka, fournier green for Lavine, Shabazz and filler(Pekovic contract)

[Skybox]

I don't see why the Lavine injury makes him more tradeable by the Wolves. There one of the very very few teams that have managed to have a worse record than the Magic despite all of their alleged stars. Their pick will be very high too. They have no reason to move Lavine for quick improvement. ACL can be a big deal (or not). He's young and fit and has every chance for complete recovery, but...for a guy with such freakish speed and hops, it COULD really change his career trajectory. All things considered, I'd be interested but investigate carefully. Remember how we stole Grant Hill?

[Magic_Johnny12]

Our favorite insider recently said that Houston as of recent have been aggressively pursuing Ibaka for a potential Harden/Ibaka reunion.

Anyone interested in such a deal?

Harrell
Dekker
Brewer
'17 Houston 1st (currently 27th)

For

Ibaka
Rudez
Least favorable 2nd

I rather deal with San Antonio prior to Houston and try to pry Murray/Anderson.

[Xatticus]

They aren't moving Lavine unless they decide that they can't commit big money to all of their youngsters. Even if they come to that conclusion, I'd expect them to move Wiggins and keep Lavine. Wiggins was the higher pick and bigger prospect, but Lavine has shown more improvement and Wiggins is still struggling on defense. I wouldn't pursue Wiggins if he became available.

[magicfan4life88]

Our favorite insider recently said that Houston as of recent have been aggressively pursuing Ibaka for a potential Harden/Ibaka reunion.

Anyone interested in such a deal?

Harrell
Dekker
Brewer
'17 Houston 1st (currently 27th)

For

Ibaka
Rudez
Least favorable 2nd

I rather deal with San Antonio prior to Houston and try to pry Murray/Anderson.

I'd prefer the spurs trade as well but I'd probably do this trade if we cant get it done with SA

[ralphie9898]

Our favorite insider recently said that Houston as of recent have been aggressively pursuing Ibaka for a potential Harden/Ibaka reunion.

Anyone interested in such a deal?

Harrell
Dekker
Brewer
'17 Houston 1st (currently 27th)

For

Ibaka
Rudez
Least favorable 2nd

I rather deal with San Antonio prior to Houston and try to pry Murray/Anderson.

Anything we could get for Ibaka would be fine with me as I fear him leaving for nothing this offseason. I like Harrell and Dekker just fine as prospects who could develop or even be included in future deals and I am fine with a first round pick for the same reasons. Harrell could be an effective backup if we move Gordon back to PF though he is a similar player so is a little redundant but I would be ok with it. I liked Dekker as prospect even for our pick or should we have acquired another pick as guy who could add some shooting and play making ability and add depth at SF. So I would do that deal though it depends on what another team may be willing to give us of course.

[ralphie9898]

I say right now try to give up as little as possible for Zach Lavine and see if they bite, Great trade if we barely have to give up anything. If it drags on til right before the trade deadline, Up the offer to trade for Lavine. We are supposed to be tanking anyway.

If T'wolves got an offer from Lavine and said ok, maybe they think ok lets move on from Lavine because we don't know how much we get out of him in the future and the player we are getting back for Lavine makes sense to do it. Than our side I guess we are taking somewhat of a risk that he gets recovered? I think Lavine will be fine if he gets to 100% recovered.

Lavine's injury doesn't make him any more or less expendable. It is unfortunate but the hope you have for him to get well and be just as good of a player isn't something that the Wolves don't see. For the Wolves he still has the same value. The injury is a setback but I don't think it means the Wolves are more inclined or even less inclined to deal him.

[ralphie9898]

Another Aaron gordon type player. Henni is drafting athletes and no basketball players. Josh Jackson cant shoot. Stop drafting athletes please. We need players with offensive tools

Josh Jackson isn't Steph Curry as a shooter but he isn't AG or Elf either.

Watch the games. His mechanics are fine and he shoots a good ball. An NBA shooting coach will have no problem helping help. We saw the results of that first hand with Wiggins the other night. Guys like AG and Elf had (have?) a LOOOONG way to go on their shooting. Jackson doesn't.

There is a reason he shots below 60% from the FT line... how are we going to close out games with him and Payton as our guards?

yeah I am not a big fan of Josh Jackson for us. I think he is a top prospect worthy of going in the top 5 but I would pas on him for Fultz or Lonzo Ball. I am done with perimeter prospects that can't shoot. If we remake this team and trade away Payton and Gordon and other pieces and basically start over then I would be ok with Jackson as if we more in a vacuum but as of right now I don't think Jackson would be the right pick. Of course we could do worse but I would go with a few other guys before Jackson but also we would have the to move up considering even having a choice to pick between Jackson or Fultz or Ball(unless we can get a trade which is even more questionable). So we shall see but I want a PG who profiles better as a shooter( I would be also be ok with a really good SG or Sf like Issac or Monk as well before Jackson but as I said we could do worse than Jackson so he isn't completely off the board but I do have guys ahead of him right now given the current state of the Magic roster.

[MagicFan101]

Josh Jackson isn't Steph Curry as a shooter but he isn't AG or Elf either.

Watch the games. His mechanics are fine and he shoots a good ball. An NBA shooting coach will have no problem helping help. We saw the results of that first hand with Wiggins the other night. Guys like AG and Elf had (have?) a LOOOONG way to go on their shooting. Jackson doesn't.

There is a reason he shots below 60% from the FT line... how are we going to close out games with him and Payton as our guards?

yeah I am not a big fan of Josh Jackson for us. I think he is a top prospect worthy of going in the top 5 but I would pas on him for Fultz or Lonzo Ball. I am done with perimeter prospects that can't shoot. If we remake this team and trade away Payton and Gordon and other pieces and basically start over then I would be ok with Jackson as if we more in a vacuum but as of right now I don't think Jackson would be the right pick. Of course we could do worse but I would go with a few other guys before Jackson but also we would have the to move up considering even having a choice to pick between Jackson or Fultz or Ball(unless we can get a trade which is even more questionable). So we shall see but I want a PG who profiles better as a shooter( I would be also be ok with a really good SG or Sf like Issac or Monk as well before Jackson but as I said we could do worse than Jackson so he isn't completely off the board but I do have guys ahead of him right now given the current state of the Magic roster.

With each game the big board shuffles.

But right here right now today... I feel Isaac is the perfect balance of team need and BPA for our likely #4-7 pick.

Say we trade Ibaka / Vuc and Gordon for a guy like Jimmy Butler. Then Dennis Smith or perhaps Molik Monk could be a great choice.

If we trade Elf then perhaps Ball or the French kid can be good choices?

But if we keep Elf slide Gordon to PF then I LOVE the idea of Isaac next to him at SF.

Jackson is a guy I wouldn't mind in any scenario. I'm not sure he is the best team fit choice right now but for our likely draft spot he could be the pure BPA choice.

[PrimeThyme]

This team just needs to make a **** trade fast. The games are unwatchable, the Vets are unwatchable, this franchise needs to trade for youth and start from the ground up. We're a dumpster fire right now. Even the diehard core fans are losing all interest.

[PennytoShaq]

This team just needs to make a **** trade fast. The games are unwatchable, the Vets are unwatchable, this franchise needs to trade for youth and start from the ground up. We're a dumpster fire right now. Even the diehard core fans are losing all interest.

A good trade won't happen fast. It will be closer to the deadline when teams get more desperate.