The case for Jonathan Isaac
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He will definitely become more athletic as he is fairy quick and light on his feet but just looks like he hasn't fully grown into his height yet. Kind of like how Giannis seems more athletic now than his rookie year or Westbrook vs his freshman year in college.
            
                                    
                                    
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fendilim wrote:Still not hyped.
Still hyped for Markkanen?
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Skin wrote:fendilim wrote:Still not hyped.
Still hyped for Markkanen?
I like markkanen s game
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I really hope I don't see a single person who has ever complained about Vuc, get hyped about Markkanen.
            
                                    
                                    
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Skin wrote:fendilim wrote:Still not hyped.
Still hyped for Markkanen?
I'm on the dsj camp. Altho i think markannen would be a better option than isaac. Both role players, at least one could shoot.

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fendilim wrote:Skin wrote:fendilim wrote:Still not hyped.
Still hyped for Markkanen?
I'm on the dsj camp. Altho i think markannen would be a better option than isaac. Both role players, at least one could shoot.
Umm... they both can shoot.
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Nemesis21 wrote:fendilim wrote:Skin wrote:Still hyped for Markkanen?
I'm on the dsj camp. Altho i think markannen would be a better option than isaac. Both role players, at least one could shoot.
Umm... they both can shoot.
And 1 can defend significantly better then the other.
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Nemesis21 wrote:fendilim wrote:Skin wrote:Still hyped for Markkanen?
I'm on the dsj camp. Altho i think markannen would be a better option than isaac. Both role players, at least one could shoot.
Umm... they both can shoot.
35.1% VS 42%?
One is a spot up player, the other isn't.

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fendilim wrote:Skin wrote:fendilim wrote:Still not hyped.
Still hyped for Markkanen?
I'm on the dsj camp. Altho i think markannen would be a better option than isaac. Both role players, at least one could shoot.
You have it backwards. Flip the prefernce in players via the more valuable statement "at least one plays defense."
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MagicFan101 wrote:fendilim wrote:Skin wrote:Still hyped for Markkanen?
I'm on the dsj camp. Altho i think markannen would be a better option than isaac. Both role players, at least one could shoot.
You have it backwards. Flip the prefernce in players via the more valuable statement "at least one plays defense."
we dont need more defense tho. We need shooters.

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fendilim wrote:MagicFan101 wrote:fendilim wrote:I'm on the dsj camp. Altho i think markannen would be a better option than isaac. Both role players, at least one could shoot.
You have it backwards. Flip the prefernce in players via the more valuable statement "at least one plays defense."
we dont need more defense tho. We need shooters.
I swear, one day I will have said this enough for you people to understand.
WHO **** CARES WHAT THIS TEAM NEEDS!!!!???
We absolutely suck. Don't draft what this disaster needs. Draft what a winning team needs. Don't build around what we have.
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fendilim wrote:Nemesis21 wrote:fendilim wrote:I'm on the dsj camp. Altho i think markannen would be a better option than isaac. Both role players, at least one could shoot.
Umm... they both can shoot.
35.1% VS 42%?
One is a spot up player, the other isn't.
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Found another gem.  Another reason that would make Isaac such a good pick for our future.
Maximizing our team's offensive efficiency. So many teams have struggled to maximize offense output from the Center position because they are forced to prioritize defense at the position. The amount of Centers who can provide the defense AND offense is sorely lacking in the NBA. Most of the time, it's one or the other.
If Isaac projects as our future Center, then we will be one of the few teams in the league that can maximize our offensive efficiency. Hammond is one of the few GMs in the league that has shown commitment towards this type of movement. If we went this route, I don't think we would squander our chances to develop him correctly.
Ideal NBA Ecosystem
If Isaac believes he is a small forward, he's worth a top-25 pick. If he believes he's a power forward, he should be a lottery pick. But if he commits to the idea that he's a floor-stretching center, Isaac belongs in the top five.
As recently as 3-4 years ago, Isaac would have been scouted exclusively as a 3, with some teams considering Isaac a part-time small-ball 4. Things have changed. Floor spacing at all five positions is the ideal offensive setup. If you can achieve that without sacrificing rim protection and switchability on defense, you can contend for a championship.
Isaac won't play full-time center right away. He simply isn't strong enough. But that is his destiny. Imagine Nerlens Noel with 3-point range. That's how an NBA franchise needs to approach Isaac's development.
If Isaac can't leverage his combination of length and shooting ability properly, a team will need to slot him next to a prototypically physical center and sacrifice spacing, or it'll risk getting crushed on the glass. But that setup reduces a team's offensive efficiency ceiling.
Isaac's ceiling is among the highest of any player's in this draft, but his floor is quite low, as well. It's easy to imagine a scenario where he's a key contributor to a title contender. It's equally easy to imagine his tantalizing potential being squandered due to either a lack of organizational foresight or a lack of weight-room commitment on Isaac's part.
http://www.nbadraft.net/situational-analysis-jonathan-isaac
            
                                    
                                    
                        Maximizing our team's offensive efficiency. So many teams have struggled to maximize offense output from the Center position because they are forced to prioritize defense at the position. The amount of Centers who can provide the defense AND offense is sorely lacking in the NBA. Most of the time, it's one or the other.
If Isaac projects as our future Center, then we will be one of the few teams in the league that can maximize our offensive efficiency. Hammond is one of the few GMs in the league that has shown commitment towards this type of movement. If we went this route, I don't think we would squander our chances to develop him correctly.
Ideal NBA Ecosystem
If Isaac believes he is a small forward, he's worth a top-25 pick. If he believes he's a power forward, he should be a lottery pick. But if he commits to the idea that he's a floor-stretching center, Isaac belongs in the top five.
As recently as 3-4 years ago, Isaac would have been scouted exclusively as a 3, with some teams considering Isaac a part-time small-ball 4. Things have changed. Floor spacing at all five positions is the ideal offensive setup. If you can achieve that without sacrificing rim protection and switchability on defense, you can contend for a championship.
Isaac won't play full-time center right away. He simply isn't strong enough. But that is his destiny. Imagine Nerlens Noel with 3-point range. That's how an NBA franchise needs to approach Isaac's development.
If Isaac can't leverage his combination of length and shooting ability properly, a team will need to slot him next to a prototypically physical center and sacrifice spacing, or it'll risk getting crushed on the glass. But that setup reduces a team's offensive efficiency ceiling.
Isaac's ceiling is among the highest of any player's in this draft, but his floor is quite low, as well. It's easy to imagine a scenario where he's a key contributor to a title contender. It's equally easy to imagine his tantalizing potential being squandered due to either a lack of organizational foresight or a lack of weight-room commitment on Isaac's part.
http://www.nbadraft.net/situational-analysis-jonathan-isaac
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MagicFan101 wrote:fendilim wrote:MagicFan101 wrote:
You have it backwards. Flip the prefernce in players via the more valuable statement "at least one plays defense."
we dont need more defense tho. We need shooters.
I swear, one day I will have said this enough for you people to understand.
WHO **** CARES WHAT THIS TEAM NEEDS!!!!???
We absolutely suck. Don't draft what this disaster needs. Draft what a winning team needs. Don't build around what we have.
today's game, you need shooters.

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fendilim wrote:MagicFan101 wrote:fendilim wrote:we dont need more defense tho. We need shooters.
I swear, one day I will have said this enough for you people to understand.
WHO **** CARES WHAT THIS TEAM NEEDS!!!!???
We absolutely suck. Don't draft what this disaster needs. Draft what a winning team needs. Don't build around what we have.
today's game, you need shooters.
That is an extreme over simplification.
Look at the top teams in the league. They aren't lead by shooters. They are lead by playmakers like Lebron, Durant, Westbrook, Harden, Irving, Thomas or by defenders who can also score like Kawhi, Butler and George.
Even Steph who is known mostly for his shooting can be a very effective playmaker.
Yes, hitting open shots consistently is more than our current players can do but that isn't all you need to be competitive.
If it is offense you want to focus on then fine. We need playmakers; not just shooters.
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This can't be right, Isaac shot 30% from 3 his last 15 games? 
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yes they are lead by playmakers. But since its a choice between role players, Markannen can be a better option than Isaac because he is more lethal as a shooter, and may even be one of the best shooting big from day one.MagicFan101 wrote:fendilim wrote:MagicFan101 wrote:
I swear, one day I will have said this enough for you people to understand.
WHO **** CARES WHAT THIS TEAM NEEDS!!!!???
We absolutely suck. Don't draft what this disaster needs. Draft what a winning team needs. Don't build around what we have.
today's game, you need shooters.
That is an extreme over simplification.
Look at the top teams in the league. They aren't lead by shooters. They are lead by playmakers like Lebron, Durant, Westbrook, Harden, Irving, Thomas or by defenders who can also score like Kawhi, Butler and George.
Even Steph who is known mostly for his shooting can be a very effective playmaker.
Yes, hitting open shots consistently is more than our current players can do but that isn't all you need to be competitive.
If it is offense you want to focus on then fine. We need playmakers; not just shooters.

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fendilim wrote:yes they are lead by playmakers. But since its a choice between role players, Markannen can be a better option than Isaac because he is more lethal as a shooter, and may even be one of the best shooting big from day one.MagicFan101 wrote:fendilim wrote:today's game, you need shooters.
That is an extreme over simplification.
Look at the top teams in the league. They aren't lead by shooters. They are lead by playmakers like Lebron, Durant, Westbrook, Harden, Irving, Thomas or by defenders who can also score like Kawhi, Butler and George.
Even Steph who is known mostly for his shooting can be a very effective playmaker.
Yes, hitting open shots consistently is more than our current players can do but that isn't all you need to be competitive.
If it is offense you want to focus on then fine. We need playmakers; not just shooters.
You know everyone who will be available at 6 is destined to peak at a role player level?
Wow. That is quite a skill.
You should lend your talent to the team so they can trade all our picks for a vet proven to be more than just a role player.
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then if both have superstar potential, Marianne would be even the better choice. He'd be a revolutionary stretch 5.MagicFan101 wrote:fendilim wrote:yes they are lead by playmakers. But since its a choice between role players, Markannen can be a better option than Isaac because he is more lethal as a shooter, and may even be one of the best shooting big from day one.MagicFan101 wrote:
That is an extreme over simplification.
Look at the top teams in the league. They aren't lead by shooters. They are lead by playmakers like Lebron, Durant, Westbrook, Harden, Irving, Thomas or by defenders who can also score like Kawhi, Butler and George.
Even Steph who is known mostly for his shooting can be a very effective playmaker.
Yes, hitting open shots consistently is more than our current players can do but that isn't all you need to be competitive.
If it is offense you want to focus on then fine. We need playmakers; not just shooters.
You know everyone who will be available at 6 is destined to peak at a role player level?
Wow. That is quite a skill.
You should lend your talent to the team so they can trade all our picks for a vet proven to be more than just a role player.








