Sources: Charlotte, Chicago and Orlando finalizing trade that includes Mozgov to Magic, Biyombo to Charlotte and Julyan

[nymets1]

If we are thinking of stretching, waiving or buying out Mozgov, Why not just do that with Biyombo? Unless maybe when we did the trade, We have less cap hit/ more cap space after the trade? I don't know how NBA trades work, but I know in NFL when they do trades, teams usually have less cap hit/ more cap space after completing a trade.

If we were to trade our expirings(Vuc, Ross,etc) than we would need to take expiring contracts back. If we can't trade VUC or Ross we better off letting their contract run out. We are over the cap and going to need to get under the cap and eventually resign Isaac and Bamba or else we'll have a big problem if we can't resign both Isaac and Bamba. We are eventually going to need to lock up Isaac and Bamba to long term contract.

[j-ragg]

Is there really that much of a difference between Briscoe and Grant?

[KillMonger]

Weltman is making me laugh man, "how to best address our point guard position" how does Grant do that? I doubt he's better than Briscoe much less caupain. There's got to be something else coming down the pipe.

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[The Real Dalic]

Slept on it and still pissed. I tend to be overly positive on this board even in the face of bad things, but the reason I'm mad is that because we are for sure worse than last year unless the young guys have improved a lot and if Bamba makes a huge impact defensively. It's not close, we are much worse as it currently stands.

We are essentially the same team but with a worse backup guard. Mack was very good and an underrated player. But people like to think that trash ass Grant is better because he's still in his rookie contract. His bum ass was drafted as a 22/23 year old and is currently 26. I don't care what people keep trying to say, but that's not young for an NBA player, at all. He's at the point of his career of what we've already seen, is what we're gonna get, and what I've seen is terribad.

[Knightro]

I’m really curious if the front office/coaching staff genuinely thinks Grant could be a starting PG or not.

With him still being on his rookie deal, I wonder if they think he has untapped potential still.

Probably doesn’t at 26, but you never know.

[matticus90]

What were y’all hoping to get out of those second rounders...? More game changers like Wes Iwundu...? Or Melvin Frazier?

Second founders are fliers period, you hope to knock one out of the park but the vast vast majority of the time the guys are out of the league by the end of the rookie contract. At least Grant is a proven NBA player, he has shown he belongs in this league in some capacity, that’s more than can be said for our seconds from this years draft.

Someone said had our office packaged the two and moved up in the late first this year everyone would be applauding, and I completely agree. Had we moved up to snag Simmons at #19 everyone would have lost their minds with excitement, but the picks (like this one from 2015) lose all their excitement the second the pick is made.

[The Real Dalic]

Weltman is making me laugh man, "how to best address our point guard position" how does Grant do that? I doubt he's better than Briscoe much less caupain. There's got to be something else coming down the pipe.

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Yep, would've rather signed Caupain, at least he's an unknown that could go either way. We know that Grant is trash. But people still have hope that a 26 year old that's played for trash teams and was still the backup and sucked for them too is somehow gonna turn it around and be a solid backup. . . With some thinking he'll start.

We would easily be the worst team in the league if he were our starter. Easily.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to be very wrong and would be the first to admit I'm wrong, but he's shown nothing but being a trash player for 3 years. I absolutely hate this move. If we're not signing IT over a bit of cash or one extra year and yet getting this bum, I'm gonna be pretty mad about it.

[The Real Dalic]

What were y’all hoping to get out of those second rounders...? More game changers like Wes Iwundu...? Or Melvin Frazier?

Second founders are fliers period, you hope to knock one out of the park but the vast vast majority of the time the guys are out of the league by the end of the rookie contract. At least Grant is a proven NBA player, he has shown he belongs in this league in some capacity, that’s more than can be said for our seconds from this years draft.

Someone said had our office packaged the two and moved up in the late first this year everyone would be applauding, and I completely agree. Had we moved up to snag Simmons at #19 everyone would have lost their minds with excitement, but the picks (like this one from 2015) lose all their excitement the second the pick is made.

This would make sense to me if Grant weren't 26. People continue to use the fact that he was recently drafted and is on his rookie scale contract to say things like you did. I don't care that we only moved a little bit to get him (cause he's worth very little to nothing anyway), I'm mostly annoyed because it seems like this will be our PG rotation, and I gotta tell you, it's definitrly not pretty. We have by far the worst PG rotation in the league, not close, and the FO refuses to address it. They just refuse.

But yes, I would've rather packaged to 2 2nd's to move up and draft whoever was 25th this year than get a well known bum. At least number 25 is an unknown at this point.

[Def Swami]

They paid 2 2nd round picks for Jerian Grant lol.

[j-ragg]

They paid 2 2nd round picks for Jerian Grant lol.

You’d think we traded Biz for pure cap space the way some are celebrating.

[The Real Dalic]

They paid 2 2nd round picks for Jerian Grant lol.

You’d think we traded Biz for pure cap space the way some are celebrating.

People will celebrate anything when it's new and shiny and recently drafted.

[zaymon]

Its a 26 years old backup pg on an expiring deal. His contract is worth more than him. Are we really gonna overreact about this?

[Spinedoc666]

Its no coincidence that this deal came right after the news that talks with IT stalled. I have mixed feelings because IT must be asking for a fortune and I don't want to overpay, but we obviously need a starting caliber pg, Grant isn't that of course. The other part of the equation is Biz being disgruntled with the shuffling of the big man rotation. Mozgov is a true center at nearly 4 inches on Biz, but then blown away when you think how much stiffer he is. Its pretty much a wash other than locker room dynamics. I'm okay with the deal, but its just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. The only thing I'm looking for this season is the development of Bamba and Isaac, I really don't see much else at this point.

[PrimeThyme]

BAD TRADE.

We give crap and we recieve crap.

But we lose 2 second rounds and these are assets which can help us in future trades

This FO is terrible.

People really type just to type.

We gave up two-second rounders for a career backup point guard (who is not young and likely a finished product) and 1 million dollars in cap space next year. If you expect people to be jumping up and down with excitement like this is some kind of a great deal it's not going to happen. Especially when there were better options in free agency (hell, Napier is arguably better).

[FFBlitzace]

Like I said, I don't think it's disastrous by any means, but here's how I see it. If a 2nd round pick has a 1% chance of being a real piece, and we traded 2 of them, we just traded a 2% chance of getting a real piece in exchange for a guy who has shown no signs of being a real piece. He's interchangeable with G League fodder, essentially. He's not "proven." The only thing he has proven is that he's not that good. So, 2% > 0%. But 2% is still just 2%, so it's not something I'm up in arms over.

And to the person saying we didn't complain about the draft night trades last year...umm, what? It's literally a meme here.

[ORL_on_FIRE]

Can’t tell if people want to be bad or good this season, seems like it switches up depending on the weather. Folks just wanna go into dear diary mode over everything. Again none of us can predict the future.

[Melvinlocker]

We essentially traded for a younger Shelvin Mack. I will give Grant this: he seems like he can get to the line better than Mack and shoots a higher percentage when he gets there. That will help him boost his true shooting percentage a little bit.


https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Jerian+Grant&player_id1_select=Jerian+Grant&y1=2018&player_id1=grantje02&idx=players&player_id2_hint=Shelvin+Mack&player_id2_select=Shelvin+Mack&y2=2018&player_id2=macksh01&idx=players

As for the Mozgov-Biyombo trade, we are essentially picking which trash we think stinks less. Mozgov's offense is much better than Biyombo's, but Biyombo is a far superior defender. Weltman seemed to indicate that we are going to give Mozgov rotation minutes. I think that has implications for one of our other bigs (is Vuc going to be traded?).

[The Real Dalic]

Another thing that's annoying me is that people are saying he's young and will improve with us even though he's 26, but before AG was signed people were using the fact that he was 22 and saying he won't improve much as reasons to not overpay for him.

It's because he's been on the team and isn't new and shiny anymore that people will say things like that then turn around and use it for a bum instead because he's the new guy.

[PrimeThyme]

Can’t tell if people want to be bad or good this season, seems like it switches up depending on the weather. Folks just wanna go into dear diary mode over everything. Again none of us can predict the future.

What people dont want is to be a 35 win team. Trade for a real starting level Point guard that gives you an actual chance to compete, or trade off the vets and tank another year. Having this atrocious of a point guard rotation likely gets you in the 35 win range.

[j-ragg]

Can’t tell if people want to be bad or good this season, seems like it switches up depending on the weather. Folks just wanna go into dear diary mode over everything. Again none of us can predict the future.

I don’t think this trade makes us bad or good. Just a waste of 2nd round picks.