Aaron Gordon - In or Out?

[drsd]

As funny as it may sound I could totally see us targeting Okoro if he drops.

Anything that leads to Aminu moving on, I can get behind.


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[drsd]

I kinda really love this trade. Gay would become our Jeff Green for a year and not infringe on winning on an expected down year and still put out this fake illusion that we’re still “trying to compete” while not being so blatant about it. Kinda genius.

Before any of the 72 games is played, I would say it is virtually certain the Magic will be the #8 seed this coming season. Whether the Magic is building for the future or not.

So: why not burn this year planning for 2021/22? This means a real focus on Fultz' development and assessing Okeke's actual value.

Heck: the new rookie might also be expected to play 20 mpg+. Why not?

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[pepe1991]

Gay isn't even that much worst than Gordon
especially if he can play like a year before he did, 13,7 ppg ,7 rpg, 2,6 apg, 27 mpg 58% TS.

[Magic_Johnny12]

As funny as it may sound I could totally see us targeting Okoro if he drops.

Anything that leads to Aminu moving on, I can get behind.


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The scary part is that I think we're heavily contemplating moving Gordon literally due to having Aminu (healthy)

[Magic_Johnny12]

Gay isn't even that much worst than Gordon
especially if he can play like a year before he did, 13,7 ppg ,7 rpg, 2,6 apg, 27 mpg 58% TS.

My thoughts exactly and becomes a decent large filler expiring we can flip next deadline to a contender.

[PrimeThyme]

I think AG's days on this team are finally numbered. I predict people will be quite disappointed with the return we get for him, however. If Chuma develops into something it will soften the blow but there are no signs that he will at this stage. Isaac can't stay on the court. Aminu is washed.

I believe we need AG more than a lot of people in this fanbase realize, but only time will tell I suppose.

[KillMonger]

I say he ends up in Phoenix with CP3 as part of their big buy-in on the playoffs for Book.

But also, I thought you guys would like this highlight reel of his turnaround jumpers.

Its like a slap in the face. How can you brag about something you are awful with ?

makes no sense, then again nothing does this year so far

[Knightro]

I think AG's days on this team are finally numbered. I predict people will be quite disappointed with the return we get for him, however. If Chuma develops into something it will soften the blow but there are no signs that he will at this stage. Isaac can't stay on the court. Aminu is washed.

I believe we need AG more than a lot of people in this fanbase realize, but only time will tell I suppose.

Define need?

Aaron Gordon has been here for six years and the Magic have won 25-35-29-25-42-37 in those six years.

I think he's a solid player who doesn't hurt you, but it's not like he's irreplaceable or anything. And I think we all agree that even if the Magic get worse, that is low key not the worst thing in the world either.

[drsd]

I think he's a solid player who doesn't hurt you, but it's not like he's irreplaceable or anything. And I think we all agree that even if the Magic get worse, that is low key not the worst thing in the world either.

Let's say that a perfectly healthy Magic with Gordon can win 43 games. That's the 8-seed in the East. Let's say he is traded and the Magic finish with 36 wins; that's still the 8-seed.

In some sense Gordon has no real value to this team's "winning" ways.


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[drsd]

Gay isn't even that much worst than Gordon
especially if he can play like a year before he did, 13,7 ppg ,7 rpg, 2,6 apg, 27 mpg 58% TS.

The idea was Gordon for Gay and Okoro. With Fournier and Ennis opting in and Carter-Williams and Clark resigning, that looks like:

Fultz/Carter-Williams
Fournier/Ross
Gay/Okoro/Ennis
Aminu/Okeke/Clark
Vučević/Bamba/Birch

The team needs a combo guard to flush out the roster, but how is the above any worse than slotting in Gordon?


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[Magic_Johnny12]

Gay isn't even that much worst than Gordon
especially if he can play like a year before he did, 13,7 ppg ,7 rpg, 2,6 apg, 27 mpg 58% TS.

The idea was Gordon for Gay and Okoro. With Fournier and Ennis opting in and Carter-Williams and Clark resigning, that looks like:

Fultz/Carter-Williams
Fournier/Ross
Gay/Okoro/Ennis
Aminu/Okeke/Clark
Vučević/Bamba/Birch

The team needs a combo guard to flush out the roster, but how is the above any worse than slotting in Gordon?


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We would still have #15 and can go after Hampton/Maxey

[VFX]

There’s nothing in Milwaukee that interests me for that salary exchange. They better be on the phone with a third team.

[Magic_Johnny12]

There’s nothing in Milwaukee that interests me for that salary exchange. They better be on the phone with a third team.

I agree but for some odd reason I could see us liking DVV

[PrimeThyme]

Define need?

Aaron Gordon has been here for six years and the Magic have won 25-35-29-25-42-37 in those six years.

I think he's a solid player who doesn't hurt you, but it's not like he's irreplaceable or anything. And I think we all agree that even if the Magic get worse, that is low key not the worst thing in the world either.

I'd say that's pretty debatable. Look, If I had it my way, I'd stop delaying the inevitable now and firesale every vet on this roster, fire the coaching staff, && pack up Weham's bags for them and rebuild our basketball operations from the ground up, but, unfortunately, I do not. Instead, I'm forced to accept that this team is going to be fighting for a playoff spot again && If that's the case, I'd prefer for them to actually make them and maximize the potential of this roster.

Aminu had a -3.0 BPM last year and was one of the worst offensive players in the league. Chuma will effectively be a rookie. Again, we will see what comes back in a trade, but could trading AG away for a pick and young guard/forward be the difference between the 8th seed or 9th seed next year? I believe so. The East is getting better.

I know it's a meme at this point to say that all Weham targets are forwards, but, let's be honest, how many have they actually hit on in the draft/free agency? In my opinion, Isaac is the only one and he sadly can't stay healthy and won't be on the court next year.

I think the cupboard at the 3/4 spot is a lot barer than people realize. AG isn't the player who is going to elevate a team from 25 to 40 wins himself, but, I think he's without a doubt a player who can be the final piece to a 45 win team who is on the verge of becoming a contender. If that is at all in the cards for this team in the next 3 years (which Weham is telling me it is), I'd think long and hard before I sold low on him.

[Xatticus]

I think AG's days on this team are finally numbered. I predict people will be quite disappointed with the return we get for him, however. If Chuma develops into something it will soften the blow but there are no signs that he will at this stage. Isaac can't stay on the court. Aminu is washed.

I believe we need AG more than a lot of people in this fanbase realize, but only time will tell I suppose.

Define need?

Aaron Gordon has been here for six years and the Magic have won 25-35-29-25-42-37 in those six years.

I think he's a solid player who doesn't hurt you, but it's not like he's irreplaceable or anything. And I think we all agree that even if the Magic get worse, that is low key not the worst thing in the world either.

In the present context, I think that need is all about reaching the playoffs. I don't have an issue with moving on from Gordon and taking a step back, but Gordon wouldn't be the first person I'd try to move if that was my motivation. I suspect this is more about this front office viewing Gordon's trade value more favorably than his on-court value. I think they see trading Gordon as one of the only potential avenues to improving this team. That's problematic. This team isn't a Gordon trade away from becoming relevant. The purpose of trading is to increase utility. There is a lot of roster inefficiency around the league to be exploited, but we have a roster with very little inefficiency that doesn't win games. That's a huge problem.

[Skybox]

I think he's a solid player who doesn't hurt you, but it's not like he's irreplaceable or anything. And I think we all agree that even if the Magic get worse, that is low key not the worst thing in the world either.

I agree with this take. I like Gordon and he's going to do really well somewhere else. Not only is he replaceable but we've brought in his potential replacement three times already...time to trade for roster fit for a change. A healthy Isaac is a lot closer to irreplaceable, a healthy Aminu is a solid player bringing the same D and mediocre floor spreading, and I think Okeke will be better for us (with Isaac) than AG because of his shooting potential. I keep saying AG on a team with elite scorers like GSW or BRK or even MIN will be a beast!

[VFX]

There’s nothing in Milwaukee that interests me for that salary exchange. They better be on the phone with a third team.

I agree but for some odd reason I could see us liking DVV

Maybe.

The salary still doesn’t match and the filler doesn’t equate to trade value. Hoping either draft pick or serviceable player that doesn’t rhyme with Air-Brick-Led-Snow is involved with a third team.

[Bensational]

I think he's a solid player who doesn't hurt you, but it's not like he's irreplaceable or anything. And I think we all agree that even if the Magic get worse, that is low key not the worst thing in the world either.

I agree with this take. I like Gordon and he's going to do really well somewhere else. Not only is he replaceable but we've brought in his potential replacement three times already...time to trade for roster fit for a change. A healthy Isaac is a lot closer to irreplaceable, a healthy Aminu is a solid player bringing the same D and mediocre floor spreading, and I think Okeke will be better for us (with Isaac) than AG because of his shooting potential. I keep saying AG on a team with elite scorers like GSW or BRK or even MIN will be a beast!

Tried to replace him 3 times and not one of them could last on the court. People are going to be disappointed when the replacements aren't up to his standard. Aminu doesn't have Dame and CJ making him look good anymore so he looks absolutely atrocious on the court. Isaac we know the situation. Okeke is the only one we can hope for good things next season.

But it seems time for the two to part ways anyway. If he's moved I hope it's part of more deals and larger change. Vuc/Aminu/Okeke/Fournier/Fultz would not have me watching next season, that's for sure.

[basketballRob]

Looks like Minnesota is trying to move up to 6 to get Haliburton. Maybe we can somehow get Haliburton for AG and the 15 pick.

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[VFX]

I say he ends up in Phoenix with CP3 as part of their big buy-in on the playoffs for Book.

But also, I thought you guys would like this highlight reel of his turnaround jumpers.

Its like a slap in the face. How can you brag about something you are awful with ?

makes no sense, then again nothing does this year so far

Boasting about not being as trash anymore at taking trash low % shots is pretty funny.