Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VII: Magic Expected To Retain Core

[jonbob17]

What would it take to get Aaron Gordon to the Celtics.

Obviously some TPE, but would Grant Williams and a couple of picks do it?

2 separate trades

Ag for tpe

Aminu for theis+nesmith+semi +frp


Then we can move Ross for expiring +picks

You can trade for a TPE, but only if the other team has the cap space to take on the player you are trading We would have to trade AG into their TPE for something in return

Aminu would be something like Aminu + heavily protected FRP for salary filler. Aminu isn't bringing back the 14th pick and another first round pick

[pepe1991]

Celtics have $18,1M of empty salary from TPE.
Witch means they can take Gordon for nothing.

If they send first round pick ( lottery protected ) by most odds it will be 22-28th pick.

BUT Cetlics need center more than they need PF.

[jonbob17]

What would it take to get Aaron Gordon to the Celtics.

Obviously some TPE, but would Grant Williams and a couple of picks do it?

2 separate trades

Ag for tpe

Aminu for theis+nesmith+semi +frp





Then we can move Ross for expiring +picks

That seems quite an overpayment to me.

Easily a top 15 center, a lotto pick, another frp and a decent but unspectacular forward while also taking back the negative value aminu

Theis is easily a top 15 center? That was a terrible trade offer, but if Theis is a top 15 center you guys should win the East pretty easily. I am not sure there are 5 teams he could start on, and that is ignoring back ups that are better than him.

[JediMasterRevan]

2 separate trades

Ag for tpe

Aminu for theis+nesmith+semi +frp





Then we can move Ross for expiring +picks

That seems quite an overpayment to me.

Easily a top 15 center, a lotto pick, another frp and a decent but unspectacular forward while also taking back the negative value aminu

Theis is easily a top 15 center? That was a terrible trade offer, but if Theis is a top 15 center you guys should win the East pretty easily. I am not sure there are 5 teams he could start on, and that is ignoring back ups that are better than him.

Statistically, last season, he was in the debate for being a top 15 center. This season, I agree, he is more like top 25 center.

[Blue_and_Whte]

That seems quite an overpayment to me.

Easily a top 15 center, a lotto pick, another frp and a decent but unspectacular forward while also taking back the negative value aminu

Theis is easily a top 15 center? That was a terrible trade offer, but if Theis is a top 15 center you guys should win the East pretty easily. I am not sure there are 5 teams he could start on, and that is ignoring back ups that are better than him.

Statistically, last season, he was in the debate for being a top 15 center. This season, I agree, he is more like top 25 center.

First I don’t see why Orlando does this. Second, that is a MASSIVE overpay for Aminu and AG

[Skybox]

Aminu isn't bringing back the 14th pick and another first round pick

Once you drive him off the lot, he's no longer the 14th pick (any more than Wiggins or Fultz is #1. Only continued factor is his contract, which is set by selection (and cap holds in future-Lonzo Ball's is huge). Could we get two #14's and change for Bamba today?

Nesmith is a guy I want but, as far as the C's go, he's just a guy buried on their bench.

[jonbob17]

Aminu isn't bringing back the 14th pick and another first round pick

Once you drive him off the lot, he's no longer the 14th pick (any more than Wiggins or Fultz is #1. Only continued factor is his contract, which is set by selection (and cap holds in future-Lonzo Ball's is huge). Could we get two #14's and change for Bamba today?

Nesmith is a guy I want but, as far as the C's go, he's just a guy buried on their bench.

Frankly I hate Nesmith, seemed like a terrible pick, there were probably 12 guys I would have taken ahead of him, but like you said a good chunk of the value is the 8-9 years of team control.

The point remains that adding a late first round pick ( or a couple seconds) to Aminu gets you to zero. Nesmith or Langford have a lot more value than zero, as does a first round pick.

[cedric76]

What would it take to get Aaron Gordon to the Celtics.

Obviously some TPE, but would Grant Williams and a couple of picks do it?

2 separate trades

Ag for tpe

Aminu for theis+nesmith+semi +frp





Then we can move Ross for expiring +picks

That seems quite an overpayment to me.

Easily a top 15 center, a lotto pick, another frp and a decent but unspectacular forward while also taking back the negative value aminu

Top 15 center?

Did i miss something?

[drsd]

What would it take to get Aaron Gordon to the Celtics.

Obviously some TPE, but would Grant Williams and a couple of picks do it?

2 separate trades

Ag for tpe

Aminu for theis+nesmith+semi +frp


Then we can move Ross for expiring +picks

I agree with this up to the "then trade Ross". Also Gordon has to be traded for "something", so I will call it the Boston FRP that you have for Aminu.

Te rest of the 2020/21 season looks like:
Anthony/Carter-Williams/Bone
Fournier/Nesmith/Bacon/Mané
Ennis/Ross/Clark
Isaac/Okeke/Ojeleye/Theis
Vučević/Birch/Bamba

That roster will struggle to make the play-in (but I guess that is the point of this).

Fournier, Ennis, Birch, Theis, and Ojeleye come off of the to go with Gordon and Aminu's savings, and that is about 32M for a FA wing.


The 2021/22 Magic opening roster starts as:
Anthony/Carter-Williams/xxx
xxx/Nesmith/Bacon
xxx/Ross/Clark
Isaac/xxx
Vučević/Bamba/xxx

A lot of holes to plug after the big FA wing is added.

I do not like these trade outcomes.


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[cedric76]

That seems quite an overpayment to me.

Easily a top 15 center, a lotto pick, another frp and a decent but unspectacular forward while also taking back the negative value aminu

Theis is easily a top 15 center? That was a terrible trade offer, but if Theis is a top 15 center you guys should win the East pretty easily. I am not sure there are 5 teams he could start on, and that is ignoring back ups that are better than him.

Statistically, last season, he was in the debate for being a top 15 center. This season, I agree, he is more like top 25 center.

I added theis for contract purpose only, he wouldn't get a single minute of pt here.

You could look for a 3rd team interested in a top 15 center and get us any expiring contract to make trade work

[cedric76]

What would it take to get Aaron Gordon to the Celtics.

Obviously some TPE, but would Grant Williams and a couple of picks do it?

2 separate trades

Ag for tpe

Aminu for theis+nesmith+semi +frp


Then we can move Ross for expiring +picks

I agree with this up to the "then trade Ross". Also Gordon has to be traded for "something", so I will call it the Boston FRP that you have for Aminu.

Te rest of the 2020/21 season looks like:
Anthony/Carter-Williams/Bone
Fournier/Nesmith/Bacon/Mané
Ennis/Ross/Clark
Isaac/Okeke/Ojeleye/Theis
Vučević/Birch/Bamba

That roster will struggle to make the play-in (but I guess that is the point of this).

Fournier, Ennis, Birch, Theis, and Ojeleye come off of the to go with Gordon and Aminu's savings, and that is about 32M for a FA wing.


The 2021/22 Magic opening roster starts as:
Anthony/Carter-Williams/xxx
xxx/Nesmith/Bacon
xxx/Ross/Clark
Isaac/xxx
Vučević/Bamba/xxx

A lot of holes to plug after the big FA wing is added.

I do not like these trade outcomes.


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Come on, how can you forget chuma?

[RookieStar]

Also.. where is Fultz? Still injured in that 21 opening roster?

[NYG]

What kind of draft pick could the Knicks get from Orlando in a swap of Al-Farouq Aminu for Alec Burks?

[RookieStar]

What kind of draft pick could the Knicks get from Orlando in a swap of Al-Farouq Aminu for Alec Burks?

Don't you guys have a lot of SF/PF already? Why would you want Aminu?

[NYG]

What kind of draft pick could the Knicks get from Orlando in a swap of Al-Farouq Aminu for Alec Burks?

Don't you guys have a lot of SF/PF already? Why would you want Aminu?

It's more so I'm just trying to think of teams that could use Burks' shooting and ways to possibly add an asset in the process.

[The Real Dalic]

What kind of draft pick could the Knicks get from Orlando in a swap of Al-Farouq Aminu for Alec Burks?

Don't you guys have a lot of SF/PF already? Why would you want Aminu?

It's more so I'm just trying to think of teams that could use Burks' shooting and ways to possibly add an asset in the process.

Most fans here want to tank, so it's doubtful any of us would want to give up a pick for a minimal upgrade in Burks. This terrible FO would probably do a pick for Burks though.

[RookieStar]

What kind of draft pick could the Knicks get from Orlando in a swap of Al-Farouq Aminu for Alec Burks?

Don't you guys have a lot of SF/PF already? Why would you want Aminu?

It's more so I'm just trying to think of teams that could use Burks' shooting and ways to possibly add an asset in the process.

True.. we need shooters but uh... dont you need to as well? With Elf and RJ plus Mitch/Noel... you def need shooters as well. IQ and Rivers arent enough..

[pepe1991]

Don't you guys have a lot of SF/PF already? Why would you want Aminu?

It's more so I'm just trying to think of teams that could use Burks' shooting and ways to possibly add an asset in the process.

True.. we need shooters but uh... dont you need to as well? With Elf and RJ plus Mitch/Noel... you def need shooters as well. IQ and Rivers arent enough..

tbh it's just matter of games ( and how stubborn Thib is ) to start Quickley. He already outplays Elf anyway.

Watch on YouTube

Quickley isn't perfect, his shooting form will need some rework, he flat out needs to gain weight, but he seems to be much better equipped for starting PG job than Ntkilina, Smith, Payton or whoever Knicks tried at PG last ...God knows how many years

[drsd]

Also.. where is Fultz? Still injured in that 21 opening roster?

Fultz will not be on the opening night roster.

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[drsd]

Theis is easily a top 15 center? That was a terrible trade offer, but if Theis is a top 15 center you guys should win the East pretty easily. I am not sure there are 5 teams he could start on, and that is ignoring back ups that are better than him.

To add: Semi Ojeleye and Daniel Theis have value only as expiring contracts. Both are marginal rotational players. For the Magic, they improve the bench considerably. But trading starters for bench players is not a value trade.



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