The Official Franz Wagner Thread

[Furinkazan]

Im not a fan of this pick to be honest but we got Suggs so I guess I can let this slip by
but if Bouknight or Moody will explode in a few years and Wagner will be just a rotational meh player iM going to bitch night and day about it.

I trust that you will demonstrate the opposite behavior, exuding humble resignation in admittance of your blunder if Wagner exceeds your expectations by besting both Bouknight and Moody?

fine but I expect same from You if Moody or Bouknight end up being better.

[Furinkazan]

Im not a fan of this pick to be honest but we got Suggs so I guess I can let this slip by
but if Bouknight or Moody will explode in a few years and Wagner will be just a rotational meh player iM going to bitch night and day about it.

This is expected to be a really deep draft.

Moody is widely considered a “safe” pick as well. He is a 3&D guard lacking star power skills.

Bouknight has the flash to be a Zach Lavine / Devin Booker type scorer we have needed but we have also seen those guys lead their franchise to A LOT of losing. Booker only helped them to wins once they surrounded him with a lot of help. He himself is not a winner. Can Bouknight even be half as good as Booker?

My point is, let’s calm down with the harsh judgments. There is room in this deep draft for all of these guys to be very good contributors to their teams. Franz included.

So you are telling me if now you would have a chance to pick up prime Booker (we dont know what prime Booker its btw yet but current one is nice too ) or prime or close to prime Batum ( yes Wagner been compared to Batum also ) you would go for Batum?

I see it this way
We could have take a risk and draft Bouknight potentially creating our all star backcourt in one draft instead they settled for a role player while they already got 2 of smiliar ones in Isaac and Okeke.
Ill admit defeat if/when time comes dw

[basketballRob]

Im not a fan of this pick to be honest but we got Suggs so I guess I can let this slip by
but if Bouknight or Moody will explode in a few years and Wagner will be just a rotational meh player iM going to bitch night and day about it.

This is expected to be a really deep draft.

Moody is widely considered a “safe” pick as well. He is a 3&D guard lacking star power skills.

Bouknight has the flash to be a Zach Lavine / Devin Booker type scorer we have needed but we have also seen those guys lead their franchise to A LOT of losing. Booker only helped them to wins once they surrounded him with a lot of help. He himself is not a winner. Can Bouknight even be half as good as Booker?

My point is, let’s calm down with the harsh judgments. There is room in this deep draft for all of these guys to be very good contributors to their teams. Franz included.

So you are telling me if now you would have a chance to pick up prime Booker (we dont know what prime Booker its btw yet but current one is nice too ) or prime or close to prime Batum ( yes Wagner been compared to Batum also ) you would go for Batum?

I see it this way
We could have take a risk and draft Bouknight potentially creating our all star backcourt in one draft instead they settled for a role player while they already got 2 of smiliar ones in Isaac and Okeke.
Ill admit defeat if/when time comes dw

We've also seen people say that Bouknight's ceiling is Clarkson and Franz' ceiling is Tatum.

Would you really want a role player or a chance at a star?

I don't think Franz will be as good as Tatum, but I get the same vibe from the pick. I know when the Celtics traded Fultz for Tatum almost everyone hated it for the Celtics. Tatum was a little underwhelming as a prospect and Fultz looked way better than even Bouknight.

[yoyojw17]

This is expected to be a really deep draft.

Moody is widely considered a “safe” pick as well. He is a 3&D guard lacking star power skills.

Bouknight has the flash to be a Zach Lavine / Devin Booker type scorer we have needed but we have also seen those guys lead their franchise to A LOT of losing. Booker only helped them to wins once they surrounded him with a lot of help. He himself is not a winner. Can Bouknight even be half as good as Booker?

My point is, let’s calm down with the harsh judgments. There is room in this deep draft for all of these guys to be very good contributors to their teams. Franz included.

So you are telling me if now you would have a chance to pick up prime Booker (we dont know what prime Booker its btw yet but current one is nice too ) or prime or close to prime Batum ( yes Wagner been compared to Batum also ) you would go for Batum?

I see it this way
We could have take a risk and draft Bouknight potentially creating our all star backcourt in one draft instead they settled for a role player while they already got 2 of smiliar ones in Isaac and Okeke.
Ill admit defeat if/when time comes dw

We've also seen people say that Bouknight's ceiling is Clarkson and Franz' ceiling is Tatum.

Would you really want a role player or a chance at a star?

I don't think Franz will be as good as Tatum, but I get the same vibe from the pick. I know when the Celtics traded Fultz for Tatum almost everyone hated it for the Celtics. Tatum was a little underwhelming as a prospect and Fultz looked way better than even Bouknight.

The point is... We don't know what these kids are going to become.... And for that reason... I'm just going to trust the FO and their analysis of the players. Obviously with the quotes that have come out.... The war room was excited that they got their man in wagner... And also excited that the got a gift in suggs. So... I'm gonna go off on a ledge and assume that their trajectory for Wagner is more likely than bouknight or moody.... Especially on our team. They could be right and they could be wrong. They are just doing their best to make the right choice in a realm where there are tons of factors that determines the outcome.

Needless to say.... We will never be able to have parallel development of the other two... Because they are in different circumstances and their journey will be different compared to if they were with the magic.

Franz is on our team now ... So I'ma cheer my ass off for him to hit Gordon Hayward with elite defense... Instead of playing "what IF?" For the next 5 years. Haha

[Furinkazan]

This is expected to be a really deep draft.

Moody is widely considered a “safe” pick as well. He is a 3&D guard lacking star power skills.

Bouknight has the flash to be a Zach Lavine / Devin Booker type scorer we have needed but we have also seen those guys lead their franchise to A LOT of losing. Booker only helped them to wins once they surrounded him with a lot of help. He himself is not a winner. Can Bouknight even be half as good as Booker?

My point is, let’s calm down with the harsh judgments. There is room in this deep draft for all of these guys to be very good contributors to their teams. Franz included.

So you are telling me if now you would have a chance to pick up prime Booker (we dont know what prime Booker its btw yet but current one is nice too ) or prime or close to prime Batum ( yes Wagner been compared to Batum also ) you would go for Batum?

I see it this way
We could have take a risk and draft Bouknight potentially creating our all star backcourt in one draft instead they settled for a role player while they already got 2 of smiliar ones in Isaac and Okeke.
Ill admit defeat if/when time comes dw

We've also seen people say that Bouknight's ceiling is Clarkson and Franz' ceiling is Tatum.

Would you really want a role player or a chance at a star?

I don't think Franz will be as good as Tatum, but I get the same vibe from the pick. I know when the Celtics traded Fultz for Tatum almost everyone hated it for the Celtics. Tatum was a little underwhelming as a prospect and Fultz looked way better than even Bouknight.

sure people can say and compare to whoever they want

Next poster can say Franz is comparable to MJ.
My comparision to Batum was based on draftkings review that doesnt make it true or accurate but at least its based on something rather then throwing in a random name.
Most fans hated the pick when it happened but started to convince themselves it was a great pick
since theres nothing anybody can do
You like the pick great kudos for you...
You didnt like the pick but you are warming up to it...great kudos for you
me personally
I cant change my opinions so easly like most of you do ..if I take a stance it very hard to change my mind.
Im not allowed to have a different opinion or what?

[Furinkazan]

So you are telling me if now you would have a chance to pick up prime Booker (we dont know what prime Booker its btw yet but current one is nice too ) or prime or close to prime Batum ( yes Wagner been compared to Batum also ) you would go for Batum?

I see it this way
We could have take a risk and draft Bouknight potentially creating our all star backcourt in one draft instead they settled for a role player while they already got 2 of smiliar ones in Isaac and Okeke.
Ill admit defeat if/when time comes dw

We've also seen people say that Bouknight's ceiling is Clarkson and Franz' ceiling is Tatum.

Would you really want a role player or a chance at a star?

I don't think Franz will be as good as Tatum, but I get the same vibe from the pick. I know when the Celtics traded Fultz for Tatum almost everyone hated it for the Celtics. Tatum was a little underwhelming as a prospect and Fultz looked way better than even Bouknight.

The point is... We don't know what these kids are going to become.... And for that reason... I'm just going to trust the FO and their analysis of the players. Obviously with the quotes that have come out.... The war room was excited that they got their man in wagner... And also excited that the got a gift in suggs. So... I'm gonna go off on a ledge and assume that their trajectory for Wagner is more likely than bouknight or moody.... Especially on our team. They could be right and they could be wrong. They are just doing their best to make the right choice in a realm where there are tons of factors that determines the outcome.

Needless to say.... We will never be able to have parallel development of the other two... Because they are in different circumstances and their journey will be different compared to if they were with the magic.

Franz is on our team now ... So I'ma cheer my ass off for him to hit Gordon Hayward with elite defense... Instead of playing "what IF?" For the next 5 years. Haha

trust the fornt office...well maybe you are onto something here.
me
I simply dont trust this front office at all
I woudnt trust them to walk my dog out
and now we hear they wanted to pick Wagner at 5 if Suggs woudnt be there...oh boy...
really they should build Masai a shrine for gifting them Suggs and avoid a total humiliation

Imo Wagner will end up being solid rotational player....that doesnt do it for me though...

but
best of luck to him

[basketballRob]

So you are telling me if now you would have a chance to pick up prime Booker (we dont know what prime Booker its btw yet but current one is nice too ) or prime or close to prime Batum ( yes Wagner been compared to Batum also ) you would go for Batum?

I see it this way
We could have take a risk and draft Bouknight potentially creating our all star backcourt in one draft instead they settled for a role player while they already got 2 of smiliar ones in Isaac and Okeke.
Ill admit defeat if/when time comes dw

We've also seen people say that Bouknight's ceiling is Clarkson and Franz' ceiling is Tatum.

Would you really want a role player or a chance at a star?

I don't think Franz will be as good as Tatum, but I get the same vibe from the pick. I know when the Celtics traded Fultz for Tatum almost everyone hated it for the Celtics. Tatum was a little underwhelming as a prospect and Fultz looked way better than even Bouknight.

sure people can say and compare to whoever they want

Next poster can say Franz is comparable to MJ.
My comparision to Batum was based on draftkings review that doesnt make it true or accurate but at least its based on something rather then throwing in a random name.
Most fans hated the pick when it happened but started to convince themselves it was a great pick
since theres nothing anybody can do
You like the pick great kudos for you...
You didnt like the pick but you are warming up to it...great kudos for you
me personally
I cant change my opinions so easly like most of you do ..if I take a stance it very hard to change my mind.
Im not allowed to have a different opinion or what?

No guarantee which player will be better. According to you Wagner's ceiling is an average role player. Bouknight could end up being a borderline starter.

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[MagicFan101]

Im not a fan of this pick to be honest but we got Suggs so I guess I can let this slip by
but if Bouknight or Moody will explode in a few years and Wagner will be just a rotational meh player iM going to bitch night and day about it.

This is expected to be a really deep draft.

Moody is widely considered a “safe” pick as well. He is a 3&D guard lacking star power skills.

Bouknight has the flash to be a Zach Lavine / Devin Booker type scorer we have needed but we have also seen those guys lead their franchise to A LOT of losing. Booker only helped them to wins once they surrounded him with a lot of help. He himself is not a winner. Can Bouknight even be half as good as Booker?

My point is, let’s calm down with the harsh judgments. There is room in this deep draft for all of these guys to be very good contributors to their teams. Franz included.

So you are telling me if now you would have a chance to pick up prime Booker (we dont know what prime Booker its btw yet but current one is nice too ) or prime or close to prime Batum ( yes Wagner been compared to Batum also ) you would go for Batum?

I see it this way
We could have take a risk and draft Bouknight potentially creating our all star backcourt in one draft instead they settled for a role player while they already got 2 of smiliar ones in Isaac and Okeke.
Ill admit defeat if/when time comes dw

*smh*

I quite directly said “the point is calm the **** down” …

THAT is all I’m saying.

We don’t don’t what is to come from these kids.

[nymets1]

What would have happened if Golden State passed on Kuminga at 7 and Kuminga was available at 8 ?

If both Kuminga and Wagner were on the board at 8, i'm not sure
If Wagner went in the top 7 and Kuminga was available at 8, They definetly would have taken Kuminga

I haven't seen Kuminga played live like either with Wagner but I would have been more comfortable with Kuminga over Wagner. Wagner won't be able to impress me until at least Summer league.

[zaymon]

What would have happened if Golden State passed on Kuminga at 7 and Kuminga was available at 8 ?

If both Kuminga and Wagner were on the board at 8, i'm not sure
If Wagner went in the top 7 and Kuminga was available at 8, They definetly would have taken Kuminga

I haven't seen Kuminga played live like either with Wagner but I would have been more comfortable with Kuminga over Wagner. Wagner won't be able to impress me until at least Summer league.

For what its worth Hammond said they would pick Wagner regardless what happened if he were available at 8.
We wanted high iq player, skilled, good defender and shooter. Kuminga has none of the above while Wagner has it all if his shooting improves like his indicators suggest.

[tiderulz]

What would have happened if Golden State passed on Kuminga at 7 and Kuminga was available at 8 ?

If both Kuminga and Wagner were on the board at 8, i'm not sure
If Wagner went in the top 7 and Kuminga was available at 8, They definetly would have taken Kuminga

I haven't seen Kuminga played live like either with Wagner but I would have been more comfortable with Kuminga over Wagner. Wagner won't be able to impress me until at least Summer league.

well, you only have to wait a week

[RookieStar]

Im not a fan of this pick to be honest but we got Suggs so I guess I can let this slip by
but if Bouknight or Moody will explode in a few years and Wagner will be just a rotational meh player iM going to bitch night and day about it.

I trust that you will demonstrate the opposite behavior, exuding humble resignation in admittance of your blunder if Wagner exceeds your expectations by besting both Bouknight and Moody?

fine but I expect same from You if Moody or Bouknight end up being better.

Is this one of those SIG bets thing? If so, you both gotta add timeline ( 2-3 seasons?) and what is the benchmark for success like Rookie-Soph selection? All star-selection? 6thMOY?

[Horcy]

So you are telling me if now you would have a chance to pick up prime Booker (we dont know what prime Booker its btw yet but current one is nice too ) or prime or close to prime Batum ( yes Wagner been compared to Batum also ) you would go for Batum?

I see it this way
We could have take a risk and draft Bouknight potentially creating our all star backcourt in one draft instead they settled for a role player while they already got 2 of smiliar ones in Isaac and Okeke.
Ill admit defeat if/when time comes dw

We've also seen people say that Bouknight's ceiling is Clarkson and Franz' ceiling is Tatum.

Would you really want a role player or a chance at a star?

I don't think Franz will be as good as Tatum, but I get the same vibe from the pick. I know when the Celtics traded Fultz for Tatum almost everyone hated it for the Celtics. Tatum was a little underwhelming as a prospect and Fultz looked way better than even Bouknight.

sure people can say and compare to whoever they want

Next poster can say Franz is comparable to MJ.
My comparision to Batum was based on draftkings review that doesnt make it true or accurate but at least its based on something rather then throwing in a random name.
Most fans hated the pick when it happened but started to convince themselves it was a great pick
since theres nothing anybody can do
You like the pick great kudos for you...
You didnt like the pick but you are warming up to it...great kudos for you
me personally
I cant change my opinions so easly like most of you do ..if I take a stance it very hard to change my mind.
Im not allowed to have a different opinion or what?

Many of those fans who "didn't like the pick at the beginning" haven't even seen a single play of Wagner.
Mike Schmitz of ESPN who knows every single basketball player in the world, had Wagner at 8th spot on his Mock draft.
His opinion does worth more than the opinion of millions of fans who repeat what they read on websites.
Period.

[bigdogdylan5]

I really believe our management believes in Cole and RJ which made the Franz pick east for them. I think some people on the board are too down on them. They are young and work their asses off by all indications and I think it made it really easy to get a forward who can be extremely successful without the ball. The beauty of Suggs is the success of this team is more secure if they don’t take the next step. But what if they believe Cole and Rj are both better than Bouknight? In regard to Moody there stats are very similar but one is 2/3 other is a 3/4 I feel like they are very close in skill and have pretty much the same numbers and swing skill

[Knightro]

I really believe our management believes in Cole and RJ which made the Franz pick east for them. I think some people on the board are too down on them. They are young and work their asses off by all indications and I think it made it really easy to get a forward who can be extremely successful without the ball. The beauty of Suggs is the success of this team is more secure if they don’t take the next step. But what if they believe Cole and Rj are both better than Bouknight? In regard to Moody there stats are very similar but one is 2/3 other is a 3/4 I feel like they are very close in skill and have pretty much the same numbers and swing skill

Right or wrong, I think this front office believes in Markelle Fultz a whole heck of a lot more than people seem to realize.

[fendilim]

I do believe Mo Wagner wasnt signed last year to fill a roster spot.

[jonbob17]

trust the fornt office...well maybe you are onto something here.
me
I simply dont trust this front office at all
I woudnt trust them to walk my dog out
and now we hear they wanted to pick Wagner at 5 if Suggs woudnt be there...oh boy...
really they should build Masai a shrine for gifting them Suggs and avoid a total humiliation

Imo Wagner will end up being solid rotational player....that doesnt do it for me though...

but
best of luck to him

If they took Wagner at 5 the Magic maybe would have taken Bouknight who they know would have been there at 8. I strongly doubt it would have been Bouknight, but if they were taking Wagner at 5 they must have had a pretty good idea of who they were taking at 8.

I am starting to believe they had Wagner 4th or 5th on their board.

[thelead]

snip

and now we hear they wanted to pick Wagner at 5 if Suggs woudnt be there...oh boy...

Where did you hear this?

[Skybox]

We've also seen people say that Bouknight's ceiling is Clarkson and Franz' ceiling is Tatum.

Would you really want a role player or a chance at a star?

I don't think Franz will be as good as Tatum, but I get the same vibe from the pick. I know when the Celtics traded Fultz for Tatum almost everyone hated it for the Celtics. Tatum was a little underwhelming as a prospect and Fultz looked way better than even Bouknight.

sure people can say and compare to whoever they want

Next poster can say Franz is comparable to MJ.
My comparision to Batum was based on draftkings review that doesnt make it true or accurate but at least its based on something rather then throwing in a random name.
Most fans hated the pick when it happened but started to convince themselves it was a great pick
since theres nothing anybody can do
You like the pick great kudos for you...
You didnt like the pick but you are warming up to it...great kudos for you
me personally
I cant change my opinions so easly like most of you do ..if I take a stance it very hard to change my mind.
Im not allowed to have a different opinion or what?

Many of those fans who "didn't like the pick at the beginning" haven't even seen a single play of Wagner.
Mike Schmitz of ESPN who knows every single basketball player in the world, had Wagner at 8th spot on his Mock draft.
His opinion does worth more than the opinion of millions of fans who repeat what they read on websites.
Period.

This opinion of Mike Schmitz that you’re repeating…which website is your source?

[RookieStar]

Yeah where is this Wagner at 5? Based on ingerviews it was always Barnes/Suggs at that spot.