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Post#281 » by I Rasharted » Fri Jun 24, 2022 6:23 pm

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I Rasharted wrote:Happy to have Banchero, but I'm getting Rich-Man's-Julius-Randle vibes from watching highlights. I hope he can become more than that.


Yah, that's the downside comp. I am not sure what a rich man Randle equates, to, but as long Randle is shooting it effectively he's pretty good. If he stopped turning it over and played better defense, that's a really good player. Randle is also only 6'8"

I guess where i am going is if Randle's 2020-21(richmanRandle) is an example of what Banchero's floor outcome is then sign me up. The passing alone is going to be super valuable. The shooting will have to be there though to get to his high end outcomes.

Yeah, indeed. Would be awesome to have Banchero play second banana to a bonafide franchise player, but that's in a perfect world. Who knows what'll happen?
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Post#283 » by GelbeWand09 » Fri Jun 24, 2022 6:30 pm

Knightro wrote:There's really two main questions with Paolo.

-Can he consistently knock down threes?

-Can he figure out how to not be BBQ chicken defensively?

If he can do both of those things, he has a chance to be a legit star.

If he doesn't do either one... he can still be valuable, but ultimately much less so.


I would add another question mark. How effective is his driving game against a NBA defense. Can he get by defenders against a tight set defense unlike Randle? When yes, i can see the offensive star potential.

I think my biggest fear with Paolo is that he needs to be a real star to be effective. Chet & Jabari are probably both still very good role players & positive impact players when they doesnt come near there best case scenario, while Paolo's mediocre outcome, is probably not a winning type player.
Jabari even without ballhandling improvement, could be soon a vital starter on a contender. If Paolo doesnt get dramatically better on his weaknesses, he becomes maybe the Vuc PF edition.
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Post#284 » by Knightro » Fri Jun 24, 2022 6:35 pm

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No walking boot or any indication of Suggs having had an ankle procedure.
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Post#285 » by Bigmagicfan82 » Fri Jun 24, 2022 6:38 pm

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No walking boot or any indication of Suggs having had an ankle procedure.


Suggs was on the 6th Man Show podcast from the draft lottery watch party he looked good. He said that he was progressing.
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Post#286 » by JF5 » Fri Jun 24, 2022 6:44 pm

So I talked myself off the ledge here... It's a good pick and actually does fit the front line.

Banchero/Carter/Wagner fit seamlessly together. Specifically the Carter/Banchero combo as they're interchangeable on the front line sine they provide the strength and athleticism to keep up with their man (Banchero will probably be more comfortable guarding Centers as its a more favorable match-up for him at this stage of his career). Add that with F. Wagner, Issac, and Okeke and you have probably the most versatile and deep front court in the league.

I think the front office decided to go the direction that Cleveland has chosen where the Magic have decided that having a very strong front line that will beat your team to **** offensively and will cover any of your match-ups defensively would be the way to go.

Obviously, the main issue is the spacing in the backcourt with Fultz/Suggs. It's clear now that one of them is going to be the PG of the future. The SG position will most likely be filled within the next few years with an Elite 3&D guy.
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Post#287 » by ogmagicfan » Fri Jun 24, 2022 6:45 pm

Paolo grew on me the most out of the top 3 prospects during the evaluation period and I had him at 2 on my board.

His biggest question marks to me is

-Can he improve his defense to become a plus

-Can he improve his outside shooting and consistency

-Can he improve his conditioning, and the cramping issues that he has dealt with

If he does, he is a bonifide star and potential 1st option.

For the first 2 points, we saw Tatum improve on those abilities as he joined the league, the only difference is Paolo has already demonstrated he has above average passing ability. I'd argue he's a better prospect than Tatum coming into the league.
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Post#288 » by MagicMadness » Fri Jun 24, 2022 6:47 pm

What were all those little pins covering his suit jacket? (I'm sure this has been already asked over a dozen times.)

I'm cool with the pick; I think we got a good one. Go Magic
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Post#289 » by ogmagicfan » Fri Jun 24, 2022 6:50 pm

I think everyone can look at the humor at how the majority of the board was firmly either in the Jabari or Chet camp and we end up drafting Paolo
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Post#290 » by MagicTownBaller » Fri Jun 24, 2022 6:56 pm

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No walking boot or any indication of Suggs having had an ankle procedure.

Suggs issue was his right ankle, correct?

I have ankle problems and I can tell his right one is swollen and the bone is protruding a little on the left.
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Post#291 » by OrlChamps2030 » Fri Jun 24, 2022 6:58 pm

Optimus_Steel wrote:I have to say that Paolo's spin move is pretty impressive. That's good footwork (skill) and athletic agility, explosion (natural physical attribute).


Yeah his functional athleticism and fluidity with the ball in his hands is impressive, especially at his size.

Chet and Jabari don’t have that.. that’s why Paolo has the highest offensive upside of the three
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Post#292 » by OrlandoNed » Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:14 pm

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Optimus_Steel wrote:I have to say that Paolo's spin move is pretty impressive. That's good footwork (skill) and athletic agility, explosion (natural physical attribute).


Yeah his functional athleticism and fluidity with the ball in his hands is impressive, especially at his size.

Chet and Jabari don’t have that.. that’s why Paolo has the highest offensive upside of the three

He’s very fluid when he navigates inside the 3 point line. Some of his tape reminds me of a post prime Lebron. 6’10 athletes who are in complete control of their bodies when driving in the paint.
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Post#293 » by Skybox » Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:17 pm



That's pretty crazy for a guy his shape. Let's go!


Surprised to see Griffin in the club. He seemed stiff out there and has a serious HS injury history. ATL got a steal with Griffin dropping to them, IMO.
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Post#294 » by The-Stallion70 » Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:18 pm

After watching his passing highlights for these alley-oops dunks.... can we trade for Mark Williams?

But seriously we might keep Bamba around mainly to catch these alley oops passes from Paolo.
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Post#295 » by jonbob17 » Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:24 pm

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I Rasharted wrote:Happy to have Banchero, but I'm getting Rich-Man's-Julius-Randle vibes from watching highlights. I hope he can become more than that.


Yah, that's the downside comp. I am not sure what a rich man Randle equates, to, but as long Randle is shooting it effectively he's pretty good. If he stopped turning it over and played better defense, that's a really good player. Randle is also only 6'8"

I guess where i am going is if Randle's 2020-21(richmanRandle) is an example of what Banchero's floor outcome is then sign me up. The passing alone is going to be super valuable. The shooting will have to be there though to get to his high end outcomes.

Yeah, indeed. Would be awesome to have Banchero play second banana to a bonafide franchise player, but that's in a perfect world. Who knows what'll happen?


Yep, you need those kind of players to contend. Gotta hope that one of our guys can turn into that...OR we have enough really good 2nd/3rd best players on a good team to attract a FA or move guys for a star. Don't think you can get there without having the rest of the team in place first.
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Post#296 » by basketballRob » Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:34 pm

Randle isn't a good comparison for Paolo. Randle is only 6'7.75" w/o shoes and I'm positive Banchero is 6'10" w/o shoes. Mosley is 6'8" and Paolo was much taller in the press conference.

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Post#297 » by Skin » Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:35 pm

Knightro wrote:There's really two main questions with Paolo.

-Can he consistently knock down threes?

-Can he figure out how to not be BBQ chicken defensively?

If he can do both of those things, he has a chance to be a legit star.

If he doesn't do either one... he can still be valuable, but ultimately much less so.

This is exactly where I'm at too. Only time will tell.

Today is a new day and I'm trying to see things through a different perspective.

- I hated this draft. Any of the top 3 had warts.

- I think it's great that he's been working with Mike Miller. Miller made Hampton a 35% shooter from 3 this year and that's a miracle.

- Have gone back to watch a little more of PB's HS videos. Been more impressed watching those. His passing was sick. Did Coach K force him to fit Duke's system too much?

- But maybe most of all I liked from his HS tape... His dreads had swag 8-) Bring that back! :lol:
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Post#298 » by jonbob17 » Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:36 pm

I really think Paolo is going to make these draft media guys look silly. He's got a really unique set of skills at his size. AND he has proven he can turn those skills into buckets and playmaking.

Was he lazy on defense at Duke, sure, but i just can't see for as good as he is on offense at his size with movement and quickness, how that doesn't also translate to the other end with the proper motivation.

73% from the line seems like it is good enough to show some touch, and shot 3's in the tournament at near 50%...small sample size.

If he can eventually shoot 35%+ from 3 teams opposing 4s are going to have a pretty hard time with him. Maybe some of the better wings can guard him but will present matchup challenges elsewhere
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Post#299 » by basketballRob » Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:40 pm

Skin wrote:
Knightro wrote:There's really two main questions with Paolo.

-Can he consistently knock down threes?

-Can he figure out how to not be BBQ chicken defensively?

If he can do both of those things, he has a chance to be a legit star.

If he doesn't do either one... he can still be valuable, but ultimately much less so.

This is exactly where I'm at too. Only time will tell.

Today is a new day and I'm trying to see things through a different perspective.

- I hated this draft. Any of the top 3 had warts.

- I think it's great that he's been working with Mike Miller. Miller made Hampton a 35% shooter from 3 this year and that's a miracle.

- Have gone back to watch a little more of PB's HS videos. Been more impressed watching those. His passing was sick. Did Coach K force him to fit Duke's system too much?

- But maybe most of all I liked from his HS tape... His dreads had swag 8-) Bring that back!
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Post#300 » by PhilBlackson » Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:49 pm

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PhilBlackson wrote:As an outsider trying to see things from your perspective, I really wouldn't be upset with picking Banchero at all.

I get it wanting to draft Jabari or Chet more, they do have the POTENTIAL to be better players but they're not better right now and you can call that short sighted which I guess it is to an extent but I understand your management's decision electing for more of a sure thing in Paolo. I mean how many drafts can they go into & leave with a guy that has "intriguing upside" but doesn't really pan out to a real star?! If there is any player in the top 3 that I'm confident will be a star at least at some level out of the top 3, it's Paolo and I think it was just that simple for your management.

Personally I can envision a scenario where Jabari pans out similarily to Isaac, both being good shooters (Jabari better) and defenders (Isaac better) where of course they're really good and very valuable players you still might not have a star on your hands and do I feel confident Smith will develop into a go to scorer when your team needs buckets...maybe?! I'm not so sure because his handle and footwork is fairly limited and I wouldn't just assume he'll get that. Chet of course, all of it is banking on potential and I'm even less confident he can/will be a go to scorer, he may bust entirely which would be a nightmare for your management but on the flipside likewise he could boom if he puts it together.

Point is though overall there's a lot more uncertainty that those guys will become stars. I feel with Paolo, it's not really if he will be a star but how big of one will he become?! Due to that your management likely felt like they had to come out of this draft especially 1st overall that they can't come outta there without some type of star player. It's one thing to draft a star player and another guy after just becomes a bigger one...it's another to not get one at all. Your team chose the lesser of the two evils and it shouldn't be ruled out that Banchero could still end up being the best out of all of them if he improves his defence and playmaking/passing. I think it was the smart move overall.

Paolo has upside too. people need to stop thinking that his growth stops now.

THIS is where i think many have fallen. Less unknowns as the other two... therefore the potential part just becomes "meh" and it's easy to become complacent and just think... this is what he is when he comes in... and he has no room to grow.

Obviously the Magic see otherwise.... as they have said that they want to have player that THEY believe will be the best down the line. And I guess paolo won that projection.



Yeah I'm not sure where the narrative on Paolo changed but to me it felt like Shiny New Toy Syndrome with Jabari & Chet

Just think back to before the college season...everyone watched Paolo & said he's that dude!! He's the top pick in the draft.

Since then what from Banchero has changed?! Nothing lol he continued to prove that he was the best player in college. He dominated and he did everything Duke asked him too and on top of that when the big moments came Paolo was usually the guy STEPPING UP for Duke & win them games. But he lost some of his sizzle I guess in part to some of his wings struggled at times with Keel, AJ while he's rehabbing, Moore inconsistent so Duke didn't really seem like the powerhouse they should've been BUT it wasn't Paolo's fault. He just kept trucking on & doing everything he can to keep them going, so as an individual talent I don't see how he really fell short and I don't think anyone would describe his PERSONAL play as falling short of being the kind of player he was supposed to be. I think he was & was again the best performing player of all of the 3 top players in the draft. So what it is it?! Just Banchero Fatigue or blaming Duke's lack of success on him because if anything I feel like if they didn't have Paolo they would've been a much worse team...

So I dunno, feels like media started penalizing him for Duke not being the fun "powerhouse" that it was when Zion/RJ/Cam instead AJ was rehabbing from injury & Keels isn't Cam lol. But it turned & Jabari is a sexy store in a way because here's a kid who coming in was mocked in the 7-10 range. Everyone thought he might be some Bosh type then turns out his jumper is wet af so everyone gets super hyped hearing about some guy who's potential is much better than they originally thought. He might be a MP Jr with good defence or a bigger Isaac prob somewhere in the middle which is a great player too. But he still didn't outplay Paolo this year....Chet wasn't really even close statisically to either guy but you see all the length & skill that it's tantalizing and that's what catches the media's eyes. thinking he has all the physical tools & gifts to be a special player but will he?? Basing it off a Gonzaga, he was by far the least the aggressive of the 3. Who's to say he will be able to handle the PFs & Cs of the league?! Based on KD?! How many other tiny guys you know have held up?? Also keep in mind KD played many years as a SF...so that's a gamble that A) he may not even have it in him to be THAT guy night in & night out B) may not hold up physically. People get all caught in that and somehow just forget Paolo was still reeeeally good this year but maybe it's fatigue & a combination of what ifs with other prospects.

But I think all that day dreaming about other prospects has made people forget how big time Paolo was/is. Doesn't help when media likens him to a couple other lighter skin top picks lol (Ben & Blake) but so it skews what kinda player Banchero actually is because yes PHYSICALLY he's very similar to those guys (which is a great thing btw lol) but his offensive game is LIGHT YEARS ahead of those 2, it's a joke scoring/skill wise to even compare them. Blake was basically around the basket & dunk threat as a young guy, the ballhandling, some semblance of passing or shooting all really only started showing up as Griffin's athleticism eroded and his understanding of off the dribble pull ups, stepbacks etc that Paolo can ALREADY do. Ben lmao, offensively there's no comparison, Simmons can pass the ball, has few rudimentary moves around the basket -- Paolo has 100x the bag Ben has as a scorer, it's just stupid. All that to say you have a physical BEAST (that physically resembles Blake/Ben) but he's his own player and if I had to say the method which he scores (not level of talent), it's actually LeBron....but Paolo doesn't have that defence (at least not yet) and certainly not anywhere near the passer ALTHOUGH he's an underrated one and there's potential there to be a better distributor than I think a lot of people realize.

Soooooo to end my ramble, Paolo is and will be a star....if you guys can get the fans, the coaches, management to hold him accountable on the defensive end, to be bit more like LBJ on that end (don't have to be lockdown but contain anyone) AND get him to work on being a playmaker/better passer. Sky is truly the limit so don't think he still can't become the best player in the draft but gotta to find a way challenge him in new ways to really get the best out of him.

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