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Post#281 » by richi_v25 » Sun Nov 3, 2024 1:31 am

shadrock wrote:Cannot comprehend how we had a good long look at Jay Huff, he played very well, yet we let him go and now hes starting in Memphis. Biggest mistake this franchise has made in many many years. He would be a starter for us. Perfect balance defense, rim running and shooting.


Did we even have a spot available at the time? With my super 20/20 hindsight vision I would have signed him and told KCP vet min to leave cold Dev for sunny Orlando and then told "street clothes aka cardio" Harris thanks but no thanks.
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Post#282 » by RookieStar » Sun Nov 3, 2024 1:43 am

Who knew we needed another big... our SL star wouldve been nice. Lol
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Post#283 » by Orl_Magic » Sun Nov 3, 2024 5:40 am

Would anyone take Marcus Morris? He can still shoot and it would be nice to have him for the playoffs if we play the Cavs again.
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Post#284 » by msmoore66 » Sun Nov 3, 2024 8:59 am

Orl_Magic wrote:Would anyone take Marcus Morris? He can still shoot and it would be nice to have him for the playoffs if we play the Cavs again.


I’d sign him just to cut him immediately while laughing manically.
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Post#285 » by drsd » Sun Nov 3, 2024 10:14 am

RookieStar wrote:Who knew we needed another big... our SL star wouldve been nice. Lol


Orlando needs a point-Center. Maybe Jokić is on the trade block.
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Post#286 » by RookieStar » Sun Nov 3, 2024 1:19 pm

drsd wrote:
RookieStar wrote:Who knew we needed another big... our SL star wouldve been nice. Lol


Orlando needs a point-Center. Maybe Jokić is on the trade block.


Naaaah... but there is a PF in MIL in the rumors. That dude even has a history with our old WeHam duo... you never know
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Post#287 » by pepe1991 » Sun Nov 3, 2024 1:24 pm

RookieStar wrote:
drsd wrote:
RookieStar wrote:Who knew we needed another big... our SL star wouldve been nice. Lol


Orlando needs a point-Center. Maybe Jokić is on the trade block.


Naaaah... but there is a PF in MIL in the rumors. That dude even has a history with our old WeHam duo... you never know


With Hammond,who was pretty much fired and gone from Orlando, probably already fully retired.

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Post#288 » by RookieStar » Sun Nov 3, 2024 1:29 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
RookieStar wrote:
drsd wrote:
Orlando needs a point-Center. Maybe Jokić is on the trade block.


Naaaah... but there is a PF in MIL in the rumors. That dude even has a history with our old WeHam duo... you never know


With Hammond,who was pretty much fired and gone from Orlando, probably retired.


I thoughy he is still in an "advisory" role with us
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Post#289 » by pepe1991 » Sun Nov 3, 2024 2:21 pm

RookieStar wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
RookieStar wrote:
Naaaah... but there is a PF in MIL in the rumors. That dude even has a history with our old WeHam duo... you never know


With Hammond,who was pretty much fired and gone from Orlando, probably retired.


I thoughy he is still in an "advisory" role with us


He is, but that's one of those nba fictional jobs. Like Jerry West still being "consultant" at age of near 90.
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Post#290 » by uraverage » Sun Nov 3, 2024 2:33 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
RookieStar wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
With Hammond,who was pretty much fired and gone from Orlando, probably retired.


I thoughy he is still in an "advisory" role with us


He is, but that's one of those nba fictional jobs. Like Jerry West still being "consultant" at age of near 90.



Or when Henni moved back to OKC... what the hell is a "Vice President of Insight & Foresight"
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Post#291 » by RookieStar » Sun Nov 3, 2024 9:37 pm

uraverage wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
RookieStar wrote:
I thoughy he is still in an "advisory" role with us


He is, but that's one of those nba fictional jobs. Like Jerry West still being "consultant" at age of near 90.



Or when Henni moved back to OKC... what the hell is a "Vice President of Insight & Foresight"


Its a fancy name for Manchurian Candidate to trade us Sabonis and Dipo for the corpse of Ibaka
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Post#292 » by ogmagicfan » Sun Nov 3, 2024 10:01 pm

There needs to be a conversation on us missing out on quality back up big men (and potential starters) because we dont want to shake the table with Moe Wagner since he's Franz's brother.

We had a chance to draft Lively, I was behind the choice. We end up not drafting him. He'd be starting for our team right now.

Then now with Jay Huff, he showed alot in Summer League. Intensity, 3 ball, physicality, DPOY in G League. Yet we let him go.

I just dont think a center who struggles on defense like Moe is a rotational player on a team striving to contend in the next couple seasons. Yes Moe is in the perfect situation with Isaac next to him, but I'd prefer to have a center who doesnt need Isaac to cover for his miscues and still contributes on offense. Lively & Huff couldve provided that
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Post#293 » by eyriq » Sun Nov 3, 2024 10:10 pm

ogmagicfan wrote:There needs to be a conversation on us missing out on quality back up big men (and potential starters) because we dont want to shake the table with Moe Wagner since he's Franz's brother.

We had a chance to draft Lively, I was behind the choice. We end up not drafting him. He'd be starting for our team right now.

Then now with Jay Huff, he showed alot in Summer League. Intensity, 3 ball, physicality, DPOY in G League. Yet we let him go.

I just dont think a center who struggles on defense like Moe is a rotational player on a team striving to contend in the next couple seasons. Yes Moe is in the perfect situation with Isaac next to him, but I'd prefer to have a center who doesnt need Isaac to cover for his miscues and still contributes on offense. Lively & Huff couldve provided that
Huff was clearly the fourth best player on a summer league team. Moe is a proven contributor for the main team. Goga is a proven contributor for the main team. We are training JI to play the 5. Huff didn't have a spot and we wouldn't trade any of these guys for him right now.
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Post#294 » by ogmagicfan » Sun Nov 3, 2024 10:27 pm

eyriq wrote:
ogmagicfan wrote:There needs to be a conversation on us missing out on quality back up big men (and potential starters) because we dont want to shake the table with Moe Wagner since he's Franz's brother.

We had a chance to draft Lively, I was behind the choice. We end up not drafting him. He'd be starting for our team right now.

Then now with Jay Huff, he showed alot in Summer League. Intensity, 3 ball, physicality, DPOY in G League. Yet we let him go.

I just dont think a center who struggles on defense like Moe is a rotational player on a team striving to contend in the next couple seasons. Yes Moe is in the perfect situation with Isaac next to him, but I'd prefer to have a center who doesnt need Isaac to cover for his miscues and still contributes on offense. Lively & Huff couldve provided that
Huff was clearly the fourth best player on a summer league team. Moe is a proven contributor for the main team. Goga is a proven contributor for the main team. We are training JI to play the 5. Huff didn't have a spot and we wouldn't trade any of these guys for him right now.


Huff showed more 2 way ability than Moe could ever provide. He is now demonstrating it the NBA.

I understand why we didnt keep Huff, because of the depth/investment at our Center position, but we shouldve moved on from Moe already with Lively to begin with

You say he's a proven contributor. I don't doubt his contributions offensively, but he's also a center who provides no rim protection at all in the NBA while playing the position where its most important.

WCJ misses 20+ games a season, our backup Center position is more important than most teams. Having a backup who provides no rim protection is a joke, and depending on hiding by Isaac who has his own fair share of injury problems isnt sustainable roster construction
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Post#295 » by eyriq » Sun Nov 3, 2024 10:34 pm

ogmagicfan wrote:
eyriq wrote:
ogmagicfan wrote:There needs to be a conversation on us missing out on quality back up big men (and potential starters) because we dont want to shake the table with Moe Wagner since he's Franz's brother.

We had a chance to draft Lively, I was behind the choice. We end up not drafting him. He'd be starting for our team right now.

Then now with Jay Huff, he showed alot in Summer League. Intensity, 3 ball, physicality, DPOY in G League. Yet we let him go.

I just dont think a center who struggles on defense like Moe is a rotational player on a team striving to contend in the next couple seasons. Yes Moe is in the perfect situation with Isaac next to him, but I'd prefer to have a center who doesnt need Isaac to cover for his miscues and still contributes on offense. Lively & Huff couldve provided that
Huff was clearly the fourth best player on a summer league team. Moe is a proven contributor for the main team. Goga is a proven contributor for the main team. We are training JI to play the 5. Huff didn't have a spot and we wouldn't trade any of these guys for him right now.


Huff showed more 2 way ability than Moe could ever provide. He is now demonstrating it the NBA.

I understand why we didnt keep Huff, because of the depth/investment at our Center position, but we shouldve moved on from Moe already with Lively to begin with

You say he's a proven contributor. I don't doubt his contributions offensively, but he's also a center who provides no rim protection at all in the NBA while playing the position where its most important.

WCJ misses 20+ games a season, our backup Center position is more important than most teams. Having a backup who provides no rim protection is a joke, and depending on hiding by Isaac who has his own fair share of injury problems isnt sustainable roster construction


I mean, I get what you are saying, we tackle the 5 by committee it seems. We've invested a lot into the position and there are flaws to be found in each. I'm actually quite content with the position but also advocated pretty heavily for us to upgrade the spot. Instead they went this committee route.
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Post#296 » by SOUL » Sun Nov 3, 2024 10:36 pm

I feel like next we're gonna have some "why didn't we draft Bilal Coulibaly" talks even though he plays the same position as Franz/Paolo

Although I do agree that Moe just isn't as good as people think.
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Post#297 » by Husky1 » Mon Nov 4, 2024 5:57 am

why on earth did we extend JI and WCJ when we did?
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Post#298 » by Bakomagic » Mon Nov 4, 2024 6:37 am

Things are tough right now and it won’t get easier with having to travel to OKC and Indiana the next two, but “glass half full” after that We have something like 5 home games vs mostly mediocre teams. Hopefully we can find a way to not stray to far from 500 til P5 returns.

Worst case scenario, things get real ugly this season. The draft seems loaded with all stars and we have 2 1st round picks!
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Post#299 » by Skybox » Mon Nov 4, 2024 11:45 am

eyriq wrote:
ogmagicfan wrote:
eyriq wrote:Huff was clearly the fourth best player on a summer league team. Moe is a proven contributor for the main team. Goga is a proven contributor for the main team. We are training JI to play the 5. Huff didn't have a spot and we wouldn't trade any of these guys for him right now.


Huff showed more 2 way ability than Moe could ever provide. He is now demonstrating it the NBA.

I understand why we didnt keep Huff, because of the depth/investment at our Center position, but we shouldve moved on from Moe already with Lively to begin with

You say he's a proven contributor. I don't doubt his contributions offensively, but he's also a center who provides no rim protection at all in the NBA while playing the position where its most important.

WCJ misses 20+ games a season, our backup Center position is more important than most teams. Having a backup who provides no rim protection is a joke, and depending on hiding by Isaac who has his own fair share of injury problems isnt sustainable roster construction


I mean, I get what you are saying, we tackle the 5 by committee it seems. We've invested a lot into the position and there are flaws to be found in each. I'm actually quite content with the position but also advocated pretty heavily for us to upgrade the spot. Instead they went this committee route.


I don’t really like the concept of “committee”…you only get 5 on the court at any time. “Committee “ is a nice word for accommodating incomplete mediocre players who, if you could meld them, you’d have one good one. When I look at DAL, I think “platoon” because both Gafford AND Lively are capable players- so the opponent is always facing a formidable C. A Suggs/KCP platoon would be much more effective than as a pairing.
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Post#300 » by eyriq » Mon Nov 4, 2024 1:26 pm

Skybox wrote:
eyriq wrote:
ogmagicfan wrote:
Huff showed more 2 way ability than Moe could ever provide. He is now demonstrating it the NBA.

I understand why we didnt keep Huff, because of the depth/investment at our Center position, but we shouldve moved on from Moe already with Lively to begin with

You say he's a proven contributor. I don't doubt his contributions offensively, but he's also a center who provides no rim protection at all in the NBA while playing the position where its most important.

WCJ misses 20+ games a season, our backup Center position is more important than most teams. Having a backup who provides no rim protection is a joke, and depending on hiding by Isaac who has his own fair share of injury problems isnt sustainable roster construction


I mean, I get what you are saying, we tackle the 5 by committee it seems. We've invested a lot into the position and there are flaws to be found in each. I'm actually quite content with the position but also advocated pretty heavily for us to upgrade the spot. Instead they went this committee route.


I don’t really like the concept of “committee”…you only get 5 on the court at any time. “Committee “ is a nice word for accommodating incomplete mediocre players who, if you could meld them, you’d have one good one. When I look at DAL, I think “platoon” because both Gafford AND Lively are capable players- so the opponent is always facing a formidable C. A Suggs/KCP platoon would be much more effective than as a pairing.
That's fair and a good description of what we have right now. The moves to extend WCJ and JI were wild.

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