Official Speculation Thread (Pt XVII, Mods Close)

[cb1115]

AAAAHHHHHHH THIS IS CLUCKING INSANE

[eyriq]

So we'd probably end up sending out Anderson|Redick|Hedo|QRich|Orton. That is two starters, our 6th man and our 9th man. If SJax starts, which without Hedo I assume he does, we actually displace 3 starters. Based on pay our hierarchy would be Howard-Ellis-Sjax-Biedrins-Nelson, but I think we realize that Biedrins isn't starting, so we are left starting Baby with JRich as 6th man and Earl|Biedrins|Duhon rounding out the rotation.

[darthcheech2000]

seriously, i'll only do this if Howard stays...

[eyriq]

I hate this trade

[BlueMagic89]

I hate this trade

Agreed.

[Greenraida]

seriously, i'll only do this if Howard stays...

same - Kind of makes us garbage. BBD starting - urgh. Where is our floor spacing 3's going to come from in this system?

[jayrehme]

horrible trades, not only are the magic giving up their best assets outside of dwight (ryno, redick) but also taking on bad contracts for a player noone wants (jackson) and fool's gold (ellis)

[Bigmagicfan82]

No way Nelson stays if this deal goes down. We can't have a Nelson & Ellis Backcourt. Maybe Nelson is in the deal so instead of Ryan &JJ We have Nelson & JJ or Nelson and Ryan. They were saying that If Bogut is traded then Jennings is next. If that is the case then Mil will need a PG and Nelson can be a good replacement. That will allow Mil to use a Jennings trade to fill other holes.

[YDNA]

you guys say best assets from orlando, but who else would ryan and redick land? especially once dwight leaves? what good would they do? at least we know from gsw that they are still just below .500 with a mediocre team and ellis. if we can get better with ryan and redick, why haven't we done it? the nash rumors are dead, and dwight is set on leaving with the current roster we have, which is an inconsistent roster. why not have a wing that can at least force a double team, a player that was just named guard of the week and player of the week?

i do agree that we shouldnt get jackson, but at least that gives us back some defense we've been really slacking on... considering every guard has their career nights with us.

we are not gonna win with our current roster, and we can't really improve the roster outside the ellis trade since no one wants to trade for our crummy players.

edit: also, do you guys really want hedo to be our ball handler and the go to guy for clutch time also?

[Tarnag]

horrible trades, not only are the magic giving up their best assets outside of dwight (ryno, redick) but also taking on bad contracts for a player noone wants (jackson) and fool's gold (ellis)

This trade is about the most realistic I've seen: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=85znn7u

And with that, we keep Ryno, and still get the value we want to keep Dwight. I don't get why people are so against these trades when they are most definitely worked through Dwight contingent on him staying in Orlando, so you have to look at it as not giving up all this much for just what we get in return, but also keeping Dwight. I'd much rather have Dwight and no Ryan or Redick than all our assets left with Dwight walking.

[jayrehme]

you guys say best assets from orlando, but who else would ryan and redick land? especially once dwight leaves? what good would they do? at least we know from gsw that they are still just below .500 with a mediocre team and ellis. if we can get better with ryan and redick, why haven't we done it? the nash rumors are dead, and dwight is set on leaving with the current roster we have, which is an inconsistent roster. why not have a wing that can at least force a double team, a player that was just named guard of the week and player of the week?

i do agree that we shouldnt get jackson, but at least that gives us back some defense we've been really slacking on... considering every guard has their career nights with us.

we are not gonna win with our current roster, and we can't really improve the roster outside the ellis trade since no one wants to trade for our crummy players.

edit: also, do you guys really want hedo to be our ball handler and the go to guy for clutch time also?

Ryan and Redick don't need to land us anyone, they are winning us games.... what is ellis doing for the warriors? He won't improve our team, just an undersized SG who puts up numbers in "Golden State".

[Viper1500]

horrible trades, not only are the magic giving up their best assets outside of dwight (ryno, redick) but also taking on bad contracts for a player noone wants (jackson) and fool's gold (ellis)

This trade is about the most realistic I've seen: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=85znn7u

And with that, we keep Ryno, and still get the value we want to keep Dwight. I don't get why people are so against these trades when they are most definitely worked through Dwight contingent on him staying in Orlando, so you have to look at it as not giving up all this much for just what we get in return, but also keeping Dwight. I'd much rather have Dwight and no Ryan or Redick than all our assets left with Dwight walking.

This is the trade that MUST happen in order for Orlando to stay competitive. I don't know if taking on Beidrins and SJax is worth getting Ellis(Who is 10x better then our 2nd best player currently).

[PeePee la Fritz]

you guys say best assets from orlando, but who else would ryan and redick land? especially once dwight leaves? what good would they do? at least we know from gsw that they are still just below .500 with a mediocre team and ellis. if we can get better with ryan and redick, why haven't we done it? the nash rumors are dead, and dwight is set on leaving with the current roster we have, which is an inconsistent roster. why not have a wing that can at least force a double team, a player that was just named guard of the week and player of the week?

i do agree that we shouldnt get jackson, but at least that gives us back some defense we've been really slacking on... considering every guard has their career nights with us.

we are not gonna win with our current roster, and we can't really improve the roster outside the ellis trade since no one wants to trade for our crummy players.

edit: also, do you guys really want hedo to be our ball handler and the go to guy for clutch time also?

Ryan and Redick don't need to land us anyone, they are winning us games.... what is ellis doing for the warriors? He won't improve our team, just an undersized SG who puts up numbers in "Golden State".

The trade is not about getting Ellis. The trade is about keeping Dwight. You have to ask yourself this, are keeping Ryno and JJ worth losing Dwight?!

[Bigmagicfan82]

horrible trades, not only are the magic giving up their best assets outside of dwight (ryno, redick) but also taking on bad contracts for a player noone wants (jackson) and fool's gold (ellis)

This trade is about the most realistic I've seen: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=85znn7u

And with that, we keep Ryno, and still get the value we want to keep Dwight. I don't get why people are so against these trades when they are most definitely worked through Dwight contingent on him staying in Orlando, so you have to look at it as not giving up all this much for just what we get in return, but also keeping Dwight. I'd much rather have Dwight and no Ryan or Redick than all our assets left with Dwight walking.

Switch out JRich for Nelson and I like the deal. Not that I don't like Nelson, I think he is a great player, I just don't want to see a Nelson & Ellis backcourt. I rather move Ellis tothe 1 and have JRich at the 2.

[jayrehme]

horrible trades, not only are the magic giving up their best assets outside of dwight (ryno, redick) but also taking on bad contracts for a player noone wants (jackson) and fool's gold (ellis)

This trade is about the most realistic I've seen: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=85znn7u

And with that, we keep Ryno, and still get the value we want to keep Dwight. I don't get why people are so against these trades when they are most definitely worked through Dwight contingent on him staying in Orlando, so you have to look at it as not giving up all this much for just what we get in return, but also keeping Dwight. I'd much rather have Dwight and no Ryan or Redick than all our assets left with Dwight walking.

That's not a bad trade, but don't see why milwaukee would take on Turkoglu. Didn't us catering to Dwight land us BBD? How about we cater to the team instead of Dwight before he deteriorates the team any more

[YDNA]

you guys say best assets from orlando, but who else would ryan and redick land? especially once dwight leaves? what good would they do? at least we know from gsw that they are still just below .500 with a mediocre team and ellis. if we can get better with ryan and redick, why haven't we done it? the nash rumors are dead, and dwight is set on leaving with the current roster we have, which is an inconsistent roster. why not have a wing that can at least force a double team, a player that was just named guard of the week and player of the week?

i do agree that we shouldnt get jackson, but at least that gives us back some defense we've been really slacking on... considering every guard has their career nights with us.

we are not gonna win with our current roster, and we can't really improve the roster outside the ellis trade since no one wants to trade for our crummy players.

edit: also, do you guys really want hedo to be our ball handler and the go to guy for clutch time also?

Ryan and Redick don't need to land us anyone, they are winning us games.... what is ellis doing for the warriors? He won't improve our team, just an undersized SG who puts up numbers in "Golden State".

But redick and ryan have proven to disappear against teams that matter, which are the teams we are likely to face in the post season. With that said, Ellis still puts up numbers against teams like the heat, bulls, hawks, and etc. Also keep in mind that he is on a crap warriors team, imagine all the wide open shots we'd get from dwight and ellis being double teamed also. He is leading in assists for SGs and has .002% less in fgs than ryan anderson and .003% more than Redick. He'd also take the ball up the court quicker than Jameer if we decide to play him in the PG area. So again, tell me what are we missing out again? Redick and Anderson on a Dwightless team would be a lottery team, Ellis on a Dwightless team would still where the warriors are at, in my opinion.

Edit: You also said Ellis is fool's gold, what is Anderson then? Without Dwight, he is pretty mediocre.

[jayrehme]

Ellis is being overrated on here, he's a steve francis/gilbert arenas .... will suddenly disappear. What makes everyone think Ellis will make Dwight stay?

[eyriq]

I like a framework built around JRich|Redick|Hedo much better than Anderson|Redick|Hedo. Keep Anderson and cut BBD's MPG even more with a 6-8 of SJax|Baby|Biedrins. Ellis can play both guard spots and SJax can swing between SF and SG. I really like that team.

Incoming: Ellis|Biedrins|SJax
Outgoing: Redick|JRich|Hedo|QRich|Orton

[YDNA]

Ellis is being overrated on here, he's a steve francis/gilbert arenas .... will suddenly disappear. What makes everyone think Ellis will make Dwight stay?

Gilbert Arenas was never even given time to prove himself here, and he was out of shape. So comparisons can't even be made. So you would rather keep the team as is, and most likely let Dwight walk, overpay Anderson to about 8 mill a year, and win nothing? What makes you think he will play like Steve Francis and Gilbert Arenas here? You won't know until he is here.

[cedric76]

horrible trades, not only are the magic giving up their best assets outside of dwight (ryno, redick) but also taking on bad contracts for a player noone wants (jackson) and fool's gold (ellis)

This trade is about the most realistic I've seen: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=85znn7u

And with that, we keep Ryno, and still get the value we want to keep Dwight. I don't get why people are so against these trades when they are most definitely worked through Dwight contingent on him staying in Orlando, so you have to look at it as not giving up all this much for just what we get in return, but also keeping Dwight. I'd much rather have Dwight and no Ryan or Redick than all our assets left with Dwight walking.

That's not a bad trade, but don't see why milwaukee would take on Turkoglu. Didn't us catering to Dwight land us BBD? How about we cater to the team instead of Dwight before he deteriorates the team any more

This is one of the most realistic trade i saw too

Nelson,duhon,ish
Ellis,von,ligging
Jax,Q,EC
Ryan,BBD,harper
D12,Biedrins