Who should WeHam select at 6? (poll)

[Patrick1978]

I’m officially off the Trae bandwagon. If Bamba’s still there at 6, I will be excited to pick him. If he’s gone, Wendell Carter is the guy. A very smart guy and speaks clearly confident .

Wendell Carter Jr. is a very good prospect and should absolutely be in consideration at 6 along with a host of others.

Which others?

[Knightro]

I’m officially off the Trae bandwagon. If Bamba’s still there at 6, I will be excited to pick him. If he’s gone, Wendell Carter is the guy. A very smart guy and speaks clearly confident .

Wendell Carter Jr. is a very good prospect and should absolutely be in consideration at 6 along with a host of others.

Which others?

Porter Jr., Young and Bamba. Maybe Bridges too.

That's 5 guys. Three of them are guaranteed to be on the board at 6 assuming Ayton, Doncic, JJJ and Bagley all go in the top 5 like people seem to think they will.

[Mauro Pedrosa]

I just don't understand the big deal with Trae Young's measurements. Just looking at that chart shows that many of those guys have found success in the leauge. Some are starters, and some are all-stars. I just don't get it.

People are trying to be too cool for the room. Trae Young's talent is obvious to the eye and sometimes that confuses people

The size doesn't worry me all that much but it's a legit thing, majority of guys with a combination of a low height plus a small wingspan are not good defenders and with a shift towards larger point guards currently seeming to happen the problem will just become even worse.

Right. It's just a "problem" that might be a little overblown right now. It's not super important to have a great defender at PG/SG. Teams usually get away with hiding 1 bad defender, as long as it's only one. And I think Trae will be able to understand team defense the same way Steph does

[Instincts]

Easy one. Of the players listed I easily select JJJ.

[melasdas]

People claming we should select Bamba haha. Definitely, we cant learn from our mistakes.

Trae Young or nothing.

Offensive first players, thanks. No more Gordons, No more Isaacs, NO more Paytons. After six years of rebuilding we dont have nothing to build around. I think it is time to change the way we select players.

[Nyce_1]

People claming we should select Bamba haha. Definitely, we cant learn from our mistakes.

Trae Young or nothing.

Offensive first players, thanks. No more Gordons, No more Isaacs, NO more Paytons. After six years of rebuilding we dont have nothing to build around. I think it is time to change the way we select players.

is that due to picking bad players or not having consistency and a successful environment to develop them?

and you shouldn't judge Isaac after only 27 games.

[zaymon]

People claming we should select Bamba haha. Definitely, we cant learn from our mistakes.

Trae Young or nothing.

Offensive first players, thanks. No more Gordons, No more Isaacs, NO more Paytons. After six years of rebuilding we dont have nothing to build around. I think it is time to change the way we select players.

is that due to picking bad players or not having consistency and a successful environment to develop them?

and you shouldn't judge Isaac after only 27 games.

Tell me how many one way defensive specialists taken in the top 10 of the draft are now developed into successful two way players? Even Oladipo dont qualifies becouse he was skilled enough to play pg.

[Blue_and_Whte]

People claming we should select Bamba haha. Definitely, we cant learn from our mistakes.

Trae Young or nothing.

Offensive first players, thanks. No more Gordons, No more Isaacs, NO more Paytons. After six years of rebuilding we dont have nothing to build around. I think it is time to change the way we select players.

is that due to picking bad players or not having consistency and a successful environment to develop them?

and you shouldn't judge Isaac after only 27 games.

Tell me how many one way defensive specialists taken in the top 10 of the draft are now developed into successful two way players? Even Oladipo dont qualifies becouse he was skilled enough to play pg.

I asked the same question and have yet to receive a real answer so I’ll wait for this as well.


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[Knightro]

People claming we should select Bamba haha. Definitely, we cant learn from our mistakes.

Trae Young or nothing.

Offensive first players, thanks. No more Gordons, No more Isaacs, NO more Paytons. After six years of rebuilding we dont have nothing to build around. I think it is time to change the way we select players.

is that due to picking bad players or not having consistency and a successful environment to develop them?

and you shouldn't judge Isaac after only 27 games.

Not to mention that of those 27 games, only the first 12 of them was he totally healthy.

Isaac had a .459/.294/.857 slash line before he wrecked his ankle in Denver. He was never really healthy again after that.

He's got tremendous defensive chops already as a young player including 4.2 stocks per 36.

I don't think many people are projecting a superstar offensively, but if he can develop his three point shot into the high 30s/low 40s while continuing to be a menace defensively and on the glass, he'll be a very valuable player. Personally, I'm more confident in his three point shot based on form alone than I am with Gordon's.

[yoyojw17]

People claming we should select Bamba haha. Definitely, we cant learn from our mistakes.

Trae Young or nothing.

Offensive first players, thanks. No more Gordons, No more Isaacs, NO more Paytons. After six years of rebuilding we dont have nothing to build around. I think it is time to change the way we select players.

is that due to picking bad players or not having consistency and a successful environment to develop them?

and you shouldn't judge Isaac after only 27 games.

Not to mention that of those 27 games, only the first 12 of them was he totally healthy.

Isaac had a .459/.294/.857 slash line before he wrecked his ankle in Denver. He was never really healthy again after that.

He's got tremendous defensive chops already as a young player including 4.2 stocks per 36.

I don't think many people are projecting a superstar offensively, but if he can develop his three point shot into the high 30s/low 40s while continuing to be a menace defensively and on the glass, he'll be a very valuable player. Personally, I'm more confident in his three point shot based on form alone than I am with Gordon's.

I fully expect that he will be entering the next season hovering at or above 230 lb. That alone is going to help in his game immensely on both ends of the court. His rebounding and finishing in traffic will take steps forward. And as his confidence grows overall... we might see even more glimpses of depths of his talents. As a former shooting guard... i am pretty sure there are some innate skills that will come back to the surface as he grows and his role becomes more entrenched. Scoring leader... nah.... but i believe he can put up some great and consistent numbers in a year or so.

[Knightro]

To put it into perspective Isaac's impact defensively as a rookie, Basketball Reference tracks DBPM all the way back to 1975, and Isaac's 3.1 DBPM ranks as the 7th best rookie DBPM season ever.

Here's who's ahead of him.

Tree Rollins - 4.2
-18 year NBA career, 5.2 career BPG

Sam Bowie - 3.8
-injuries destroyed his career after a very promising 10 PPG, 9 RPG, 3 APG, 3 BPG on a playoff Blazers team

David Robinson - 3.8
-Hall of Famer

Tim Duncan - 3.7
- Hall of Famer

Ben Simmons - 3.6
- Likely Rookie of the Year, could be a Hall of Famer

Jamario Moon - 3.5
-Weird outlier

It's a limited sample size for Isaac for sure, but statistically he made a very positive impact on the defensive end of the floor. Yes, the Magic were a terrible defensive team, but he had a 101.1 DTRG on a team that had a 107.7 team DRTG.

The 6.6 gap between Isaac's individual DRTG and his team's DRTG was the 4th largest gap in the league among qualified (15 MPG) players. Here are the only guys in the league I could find with a higher than 6.0 gap between their defensive rating and the team's defensive rating.

JaKarr Sampson 9.0 gap
Andre Roberson 8.3 gap
Larry Nance Jr 7.0 gap (with Cleveland only)
Jonathan Isaac 6.6 gap
Shaq Harrison 6.4 gap
Langston Galloway 6.3 gap

Isaac doesn't just have good defensive potential, he has GREAT defensive potential in my opinion.

[MagicFan101]

Conditional draft night trade:

Orlando drafts Trae Young.

If Bridges survives to the Knicks we make a trade.

=> Frank Ntilkina + Bridges for Young + Mack.

If Bridges is off the board, we walk away with Young.


I think someone already suggested something like this but I think it’s worth more consideration.

[bargnanimvp]

People are trying to be too cool for the room. Trae Young's talent is obvious to the eye and sometimes that confuses people

The size doesn't worry me all that much but it's a legit thing, majority of guys with a combination of a low height plus a small wingspan are not good defenders and with a shift towards larger point guards currently seeming to happen the problem will just become even worse.

Right. It's just a "problem" that might be a little overblown right now. It's not super important to have a great defender at PG/SG. Teams usually get away with hiding 1 bad defender, as long as it's only one. And I think Trae will be able to understand team defense the same way Steph does

Not so sure it is that easy if the team isn't great, look at GSW last night, if they didn't have a team as stacked and talented on offence as they do you could have made a case in the first half for benching Curry, he was just getting exposed over and over again on offence. That's the kind of issue a player with those kind of measurements can run into but Curry makes up for it by being one of the best offensive players in the league. Like I said it doesn't bother me too much because at this point we need scoring and we need a playmaker which are things Trae should be able to transition over but I can see both sides of the argument when looking long term.

[bargnanimvp]

People claming we should select Bamba haha. Definitely, we cant learn from our mistakes.

Trae Young or nothing.

Offensive first players, thanks. No more Gordons, No more Isaacs, NO more Paytons. After six years of rebuilding we dont have nothing to build around. I think it is time to change the way we select players.

is that due to picking bad players or not having consistency and a successful environment to develop them?

and you shouldn't judge Isaac after only 27 games.

I don't think it's about judging Isaac, I think he could still be a solid player and he still does things I really like but we already have Isaac we already have Gordon so why take another project in a similar mold?

[Mauro Pedrosa]

The size doesn't worry me all that much but it's a legit thing, majority of guys with a combination of a low height plus a small wingspan are not good defenders and with a shift towards larger point guards currently seeming to happen the problem will just become even worse.

Right. It's just a "problem" that might be a little overblown right now. It's not super important to have a great defender at PG/SG. Teams usually get away with hiding 1 bad defender, as long as it's only one. And I think Trae will be able to understand team defense the same way Steph does

Not so sure it is that easy if the team isn't great, look at GSW last night, if they didn't have a team as stacked and talented on offence as they do you could have made a case in the first half for benching Curry, he was just getting exposed over and over again on offence. That's the kind of issue a player with those kind of measurements can run into but Curry makes up for it by being one of the best offensive players in the league. Like I said it doesn't bother me too much because at this point we need scoring and we need a playmaker which are things Trae should be able to transition over but I can see both sides of the argument when looking long term.

I understand. I think Trae's positives far outweigh the negatives. Especially for our team

[MagicFan101]

If we do take the Knick’s precious Trae Young then I hope even more that he becomes a star as payback for the Porzingis pick.

I swear I thought Porzingis to Orlando was a done deal.

[Knightro]

I don't think it's about judging Isaac, I think he could still be a solid player and he still does things I really like but we already have Isaac we already have Gordon so why take another project in a similar mold?

This regime inherited Gordon.

They chose Isaac.

That's the big difference.

[Nemesis21]

Conditional draft night trade:

Orlando drafts Trae Young.

If Bridges survives to the Knicks we make a trade.

=> Frank Ntilkina + Bridges for Young + Mack.

If Bridges is off the board, we walk away with Young.


I think someone already suggested something like this but I think it’s worth more consideration.

PASS

[bargnanimvp]

I don't think it's about judging Isaac, I think he could still be a solid player and he still does things I really like but we already have Isaac we already have Gordon so why take another project in a similar mold?

This regime inherited Gordon.

They chose Isaac.

That's the big difference.

Is it?

If they are both already on the roster and both raw offence guys drafting another raw offence guy might not be the best idea.

That said I also think we should take the BPA and not just draft for need at this point but to me I don't think any of the raw bigs set to be there at 6 are as good as Trae looks

[Knightro]

Is it?

If they are both already on the roster and both raw offence guys drafting another raw offence guy might not be the best idea.

That said I also think we should take the BPA and not just draft for need at this point but to me I don't think any of the raw bigs set to be there at 6 are as good as Trae looks

Yes. It matters because we have no idea how Weltman and Hammond actually view Aaron Gordon. We know they liked Jonathan Issac enough to draft him 6th overall.

The only thing we know for sure about how they feel about Gordon is that they had the opportunity to give him a contract extension before the season and chose not to do it. If they were absolutely certain he was part of the future of the team, that probably would have gotten done, right?