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Re: Summer Trades...never too early 

Post#301 » by Magic#1 » Fri Mar 6, 2020 9:53 pm


If their offer was Cam and Tyler for AG, I'm really glad we turned them down. Especially considering they waived Tyler. I may be in the minority, but I would still prefer keep AG unless we get a really good offer. I get the fit with JI, but I would prefer keep two really gifted players together than sell one lower than we should. Now if the Suns are willing to trade Oubre, I could understand a deal, but I still like AG's overall game more even though Oubre's shooting would help.
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Re: Summer Trades...never too early 

Post#302 » by Xatticus » Fri Mar 6, 2020 10:39 pm

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If their offer was Cam and Tyler for AG, I'm really glad we turned them down. Especially considering they waived Tyler. I may be in the minority, but I would still prefer keep AG unless we get a really good offer. I get the fit with JI, but I would prefer keep two really gifted players together than sell one lower than we should. Now if the Suns are willing to trade Oubre, I could understand a deal, but I still like AG's overall game more even though Oubre's shooting would help.


Yeah. Tyler Johnson was just straight crap this year and he is going to struggle to find a place in the NBA at this point. Cameron Johnson has a beautiful 3-point shot, but nothing else. It sounds like the Suns were trying to capitalize on the possibility that Orlando might want to dump Gordon.

If they aren't willing to give up legitimate value, then we are better off holding onto Gordon. I suspect things might change in the summer though. James Jones isn't afraid of pulling the trigger and given how the Suns have faded, perhaps Jones will be more willing to shake things up after the season ends. Phoenix really isn't that far away from putting a nice product out there.
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Re: Summer Trades...never too early 

Post#303 » by Tarheel » Fri Mar 6, 2020 11:10 pm

I’m interested in moving AG for Oubre/Bridges and Saric. No interest in the Cam Johnson deal.

Bridges or Oubre both fit well next to JI as the starting 3. Oubre is better but if we could get Saric alongside Bridges that gives us more shooting depth and lineup options.
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Re: Summer Trades...never too early 

Post#304 » by basketballRob » Fri Mar 6, 2020 11:49 pm

Tarheel wrote:I’m interested in moving AG for Oubre/Bridges and Saric. No interest in the Cam Johnson deal.

Bridges or Oubre both fit well next to JI as the starting 3. Oubre is better but if we could get Saric alongside Bridges that gives us more shooting depth and lineup options.
Bridges and Saric would be a good haul and of course AG would go on to be an allstar.

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Re: Summer Trades...never too early 

Post#305 » by Skybox » Sat Mar 7, 2020 12:51 am

Gordon and 2020 FRP
for ...Bridges and Cam Johnson

PHO gets their man and a mid first to shore up where they need to, they keep Oubre at SF

ORL gets young cost-controlled shooters, one with great defensive potential, At least one starts immediately (depending on Evan outcome). Our bench gets a lot stronger with Johnson, a hopefully improved Bamba, and TRoss, we'll see about DJ, MCW
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Re: Summer Trades...never too early 

Post#306 » by sunsbum » Sat Mar 7, 2020 1:06 am

I don't think Mikal Bridges is on the table. Booker/Ayton/Bridges is our core.
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Re: Summer Trades...never too early 

Post#307 » by Magic_Johnny12 » Sat Mar 7, 2020 1:23 am

cedric76 wrote:
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cedric76 wrote:
They don't need ag and want to keep bogdan

No deal


That's not how their fans feel, go take a peak at their board. They value AG more than most us Orlando fans.


Divac made it clear that he wants bogdan to stay, he also is a big fan of Vuc.

This is why i think we could easily get hield for Vuc


Dude, wrong Bogdan :lol:
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Post#308 » by Magic#1 » Sat Mar 7, 2020 2:26 am

Skybox wrote:Gordon and 2020 FRP
for ...Bridges and Cam Johnson

PHO gets their man and a mid first to shore up where they need to, they keep Oubre at SF

ORL gets young cost-controlled shooters, one with great defensive potential, At least one starts immediately (depending on Evan outcome). Our bench gets a lot stronger with Johnson, a hopefully improved Bamba, and TRoss, we'll see about DJ, MCW


No way I do that. Johnson was considered a reach at 13 last year and we're getting a more talented player who fills his role in Chuma and will have Aminu coming back. Bridges has shown some growth, but he isn't more valuable than AG. On a team that needs more A-list talent, let's not trade our more talented players for less talented ones.
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Re: Summer Trades...never too early 

Post#309 » by Magic#1 » Sat Mar 7, 2020 2:29 am

sunsbum wrote:I don't think Mikal Bridges is on the table. Booker/Ayton/Bridges is our core.

Then would you all be willing to include Oubre? I could be wrong, but I don't see a deal happening unless we get Bridges or Oubre. I don't think the front office is looking to trade Gordon as much as seeing him as their best trade asset. If the talks with GSW were true, then it looks like we were trying to trade for DLo with Gordon as the biggest piece. I can't see us going from chasing DLo to accept Cam Johnson as the best player in a deal.
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Re: Summer Trades...never too early 

Post#310 » by cedric76 » Sat Mar 7, 2020 7:37 am

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
cedric76 wrote:
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That's not how their fans feel, go take a peak at their board. They value AG more than most us Orlando fans.


Divac made it clear that he wants bogdan to stay, he also is a big fan of Vuc.

This is why i think we could easily get hield for Vuc


Dude, wrong Bogdan :lol:


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Re: Summer Trades...never too early 

Post#311 » by pepe1991 » Sat Mar 7, 2020 10:01 am

Suns pick and Oubre for Gordon. Get it done
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Post#312 » by cedric76 » Sat Mar 7, 2020 11:49 am

pepe1991 wrote:Suns pick and Oubre for Gordon. Get it done


They turned down oubre for AG so i don't think they ll add a pick now (even if AG is turning the corner)
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Post#313 » by basketballRob » Sat Mar 7, 2020 11:58 am

It would be nice if we could somehow flip Fournier for Bridges. Fournier and number 1 pick for Bridges and a filler.

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Post#314 » by drsd » Sat Mar 7, 2020 12:21 pm

basketballRob wrote:It would be nice if we could somehow flip Fournier for Bridges. Fournier and number 1 pick for Bridges and a filler.

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It is hard to project trades for Fournier until we know whether he opts out or in.
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Re: Summer Trades...never too early 

Post#315 » by drsd » Sat Mar 7, 2020 12:22 pm

With the Magicv not trading Gordon, it is looking like a sellers market is emerging. If Orlando gets a dollar on the dollar trade, then not reading him at the ASW deadline looks like a genius move.

Anyhow: I think we have about 20 games left in the Gordon era.

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Post#316 » by drsd » Sat Mar 7, 2020 12:23 pm

pepe1991 wrote:Suns pick and Oubre for Gordon. Get it done


Please no: not this. Oubre is a terrible three ball shooter. Even worse than Gordon. This trade is awful for Orlando.

The Magic need to wait to see if trading Gordon for a SG makes the most sense, and we fans need to wait to see what Fournier does with his contract.


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Re: Summer Trades...never too early 

Post#317 » by Max Power » Sat Mar 7, 2020 4:12 pm

If we’re going to trade AG, I’d assume it be for a difference maker in the backcourt. I’m tired of Fournier and am very cool if he opts out and we let him walk. AG could net us such a player. I think the Gordon era is coming to a close as well, I just hope we don’t trade him and potentially a first round pick for fools gold. A lot of trade ideas around here have been just that.
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Re: Summer Trades...never too early 

Post#318 » by The Effect » Sat Mar 7, 2020 6:56 pm

i want to see more of the lineup without evan and see if its something that can really win in this league, and if so, keep AG

What if its what everyone has been saying, buddy ball is what has been killing this team. If we can go on a run without evan, and during that run Markelle plays the way he did last night) id be perfectly fine with letting evan leave, using our 1st on a SG (or any cap space, can we use the MLE this year?) and bringing the same team back next year

If fultz becomes as aggressive trying to score as he was yesterday, this lineup would be awesome for next year

C - Vuc
PF\SF - Gordon\Issac
SG - aaron Nesmith (1st round pick)
PG - Fultz

Bench of Bamba, Ross, Okeke, Aminu, iwundu

Thats a really good team going forward, especially if Isaac can ever play more than half the season
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Re: Summer Trades...never too early 

Post#319 » by Magic#1 » Sun Mar 8, 2020 7:11 pm

drsd wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:Suns pick and Oubre for Gordon. Get it done


Please no: not this. Oubre is a terrible three ball shooter. Even worse than Gordon. This trade is awful for Orlando.

The Magic need to wait to see if trading Gordon for a SG makes the most sense, and we fans need to wait to see what Fournier does with his contract.


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Might want to relook at those Oubre numbers. He is clearly a better shooter. I personally prefer AG's overall game, especially with his playmaking as of late, but Oubre is absolutely a better shooter.
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Re: Summer Trades...never too early 

Post#320 » by Bakomagic » Sun Mar 8, 2020 7:58 pm

Magic#1 wrote:
drsd wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:Suns pick and Oubre for Gordon. Get it done


Please no: not this. Oubre is a terrible three ball shooter. Even worse than Gordon. This trade is awful for Orlando.

The Magic need to wait to see if trading Gordon for a SG makes the most sense, and we fans need to wait to see what Fournier does with his contract.


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Might want to relook at those Oubre numbers. He is clearly a better shooter. I personally prefer AG's overall game, especially with his playmaking as of late, but Oubre is absolutely a better shooter.


Oubre is shooting 35% from 3 just like AG did last year. AG is only shooting like 30% this year. The last three years he shot 32% and 31% while AG has shot 35 and 33%

I wouldn’t be too sure Oubre is absolutely better than AG from 3. Oubre is a 33 % for his career and AG is 32%. He is skinny AG with less passing ability.

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