Aaron Gordon - In or Out?

[Knightro]

I agree with this take. I like Gordon and he's going to do really well somewhere else. Not only is he replaceable but we've brought in his potential replacement three times already...time to trade for roster fit for a change. A healthy Isaac is a lot closer to irreplaceable, a healthy Aminu is a solid player bringing the same D and mediocre floor spreading, and I think Okeke will be better for us (with Isaac) than AG because of his shooting potential. I keep saying AG on a team with elite scorers like GSW or BRK or even MIN will be a beast!

Tried to replace him 3 times and not one of them could last on the court. People are going to be disappointed when the replacements aren't up to his standard. Aminu doesn't have Dame and CJ making him look good anymore so he looks absolutely atrocious on the court. Isaac we know the situation. Okeke is the only one we can hope for good things next season.

But it seems time for the two to part ways anyway. If he's moved I hope it's part of more deals and larger change. Vuc/Aminu/Okeke/Fournier/Fultz would not have me watching next season, that's for sure.

But I say again...

If the front office tries to replace Gordon and ultimately fail to do, are the Magic actually worse off in the long run?

I'm just not stressing out these "oh man if we lose player X, we'll get so much worse!" takes because getting worse isn't a bad thing to me.

[neuraldarwinism]

blow it up, chase for cunningham

[Bensational]

I agree with this take. I like Gordon and he's going to do really well somewhere else. Not only is he replaceable but we've brought in his potential replacement three times already...time to trade for roster fit for a change. A healthy Isaac is a lot closer to irreplaceable, a healthy Aminu is a solid player bringing the same D and mediocre floor spreading, and I think Okeke will be better for us (with Isaac) than AG because of his shooting potential. I keep saying AG on a team with elite scorers like GSW or BRK or even MIN will be a beast!

Tried to replace him 3 times and not one of them could last on the court. People are going to be disappointed when the replacements aren't up to his standard. Aminu doesn't have Dame and CJ making him look good anymore so he looks absolutely atrocious on the court. Isaac we know the situation. Okeke is the only one we can hope for good things next season.

But it seems time for the two to part ways anyway. If he's moved I hope it's part of more deals and larger change. Vuc/Aminu/Okeke/Fournier/Fultz would not have me watching next season, that's for sure.

But I say again...

If the front office tries to replace Gordon and ultimately fail to do, are the Magic actually worse off in the long run?

I'm just not stressing out these "oh man if we lose player X, we'll get so much worse!" takes because getting worse isn't a bad thing to me.

It depends what the broader plans are. Going off the track record for WeHam, they won't intend to get worse. They'll want a competitive team. So if we do get worse in the short term, we're still likely to end up with late lottery odds by the nature of the management. So then the replacement value of what Gordon is traded for becomes much more crucial and needs a significantly higher upside or else we're trading him just to maintain a similar level of status quo.

I think whatever WeHam do next, it all needs to be geared around getting us our first real piece to build the next era of the team. Something you can build off of and use to recruit other players.

For example, say they trade Gordon for #17 and James Johnson, but then they bring back Fournier for the season. We could still be competitive enough to fight for a play-in spot and end up with a #11-14 pick with a roster of:

Vuc/Bamba
Aminu/(Isaac)
Okeke
Ross
Fultz

+ #15, #17 and whatever pick we get in 2021. Fournier is a FA, and unless one of 15/17 look like his replacement we probably bring him back for similar results. That lineup will struggle to convince me to watch unless we hit on 15/17.

I'm just most concerned about the time it will take for WeHam to either let the team get bad enough to acquire good talent, or the team gets lucky enough to land one through draft or trade. And I don't think they're in any kind of hot seat. These guys will do an easy decade with the team.

[Rainwater]

I agree with this take. I like Gordon and he's going to do really well somewhere else. Not only is he replaceable but we've brought in his potential replacement three times already...time to trade for roster fit for a change. A healthy Isaac is a lot closer to irreplaceable, a healthy Aminu is a solid player bringing the same D and mediocre floor spreading, and I think Okeke will be better for us (with Isaac) than AG because of his shooting potential. I keep saying AG on a team with elite scorers like GSW or BRK or even MIN will be a beast!

Tried to replace him 3 times and not one of them could last on the court. People are going to be disappointed when the replacements aren't up to his standard. Aminu doesn't have Dame and CJ making him look good anymore so he looks absolutely atrocious on the court. Isaac we know the situation. Okeke is the only one we can hope for good things next season.

But it seems time for the two to part ways anyway. If he's moved I hope it's part of more deals and larger change. Vuc/Aminu/Okeke/Fournier/Fultz would not have me watching next season, that's for sure.

But I say again...

If the front office tries to replace Gordon and ultimately fail to do, are the Magic actually worse off in the long run?

I'm just not stressing out these "oh man if we lose player X, we'll get so much worse!" takes because getting worse isn't a bad thing to me.

Pretty much

[Bensational]

Well this is the most concrete rumour of an offer that's come out.

Magic shopping Gordon + #15 to get into lottery.

Looks like it's time for him to go.

[Skin]

Well this is the most concrete rumour of an offer that's come out.

Magic shopping Gordon + #15 to get into lottery.

Looks like it's time for him to go.

Let's see if WeHam can pull something off. He's been in rumors before.

[Bensational]

Well this is the most concrete rumour of an offer that's come out.

Magic shopping Gordon + #15 to get into lottery.

Looks like it's time for him to go.

Let's see if WeHam can pull something off. He's been in rumors before.

Feels like the timing is right. WeHam can see the writing on the wall and need to inject some more potential or immediate talent into the team.

And now they might not feel as locked into what they perceive as Gordon's value. They might take less of an offer.

[Skin]

Well this is the most concrete rumour of an offer that's come out.

Magic shopping Gordon + #15 to get into lottery.

Looks like it's time for him to go.

Let's see if WeHam can pull something off. He's been in rumors before.

Feels like the timing is right. WeHam can see the writing on the wall and need to inject some more potential or immediate talent into the team.

And now they might not feel as locked into what they perceive as Gordon's value. They might take less of an offer.

It would be really refreshing if they did. Especially when you consider Isaac being out and Gordon as the most likely replacement.

This could signal a legitimate change in our rebuild. Something more focused on rebuilding behind youth than "winning now" with vets.

[Bensational]

Let's see if WeHam can pull something off. He's been in rumors before.

Feels like the timing is right. WeHam can see the writing on the wall and need to inject some more potential or immediate talent into the team.

And now they might not feel as locked into what they perceive as Gordon's value. They might take less of an offer.

It would be really refreshing if they did. Especially when you consider Isaac being out and Gordon as the most likely replacement.

This could signal a legitimate change in our rebuild. Something more focused on rebuilding behind youth than "winning now" with vets.

I just don't think WeHam consider rebuilds like that. They're not gonna hand the keys over to youth that aren't ready to compete right now. I'd say they continue to balance the roster with veterans who can help carry the load and stabilise whilst trying to add the youth who can take over. But I think they have to take over before WeHam goes all-in on them. Their ideal scenario would be to get younger, cheaper and just as competitive with a ceiling for more in the future.

[Skin]

Feels like the timing is right. WeHam can see the writing on the wall and need to inject some more potential or immediate talent into the team.

And now they might not feel as locked into what they perceive as Gordon's value. They might take less of an offer.

It would be really refreshing if they did. Especially when you consider Isaac being out and Gordon as the most likely replacement.

This could signal a legitimate change in our rebuild. Something more focused on rebuilding behind youth than "winning now" with vets.

I just don't think WeHam consider rebuilds like that. They're not gonna hand the keys over to youth that aren't ready to compete right now. I'd say they continue to balance the roster with veterans who can help carry the load and stabilise whilst trying to add the youth who can take over. But I think they have to take over before WeHam goes all-in on them. Their ideal scenario would be to get younger, cheaper and just as competitive with a ceiling for more in the future.

If they draft a SG and Fournier opts in then I agree, the rook won't get a lot of playing time. If they draft a SF, then I do think that player will get a nice chunk of the playing time (especially with Gordon gone). James Ennis should not be a roadblock.

[Magicfanatic82]

If we move up to draft a player there is no reason for them not to see decent run. Especially with JI out all year.

[Xatticus]

If we move up to draft a player there is no reason for them not to see decent run. Especially with JI out all year.

[The Real Dalic]

If we move up to draft a player there is no reason for them not to see decent run. Especially with JI out all year.

I agree. Unless, for example, we draft a PG, for some reason, and somehow get Westbrook as well.

[UnFadeable21]

Minnesota Timberwolves trade the 1st Round 17th overall draft pick, Jarrett Culver, & expiring James Johnson to the Orlando Magic for Aaron Gordon & the 45th pick.

Orlando Magic would have Fultz, Culver, Isaac, picks 15 & 17. Vuc, Ross, & Aminu. Johnson & Fourmier expiring


Win win trade for both teams

[Max Power]

I would agree that if the Magic move Gordon and acquire a pick in the lottery, that player absolutely needs to get as much PT as possible. You don’t move a contributor like Gordon and a first rounder for that guy just to sit and watch all year. I’d start said player over Fournier and Ennis.

At this point the Magic smell like a franchise that knows it’s got to overhaul the roster but likes being somewhat competitive again. I think they’re lost as to whether to use a sledge hammer or a grenade to accomplish this.

[Rainwater]

Well this is the most concrete rumour of an offer that's come out.

Magic shopping Gordon + #15 to get into lottery.

Looks like it's time for him to go.

Yeah, thought this was likely. No way the magic would get in the top 10 with AG alone have to give up the 15th pick as well.

[Driguez]

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[RookieStar]

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Hayward? So we will have 2 often injured players in JI and Hayward that we will be pinning our hopes on?

[Max Power]

A Vuc/Hayward trade is not a good deal for the Magic. Hayward’s a good player but his durability remains a huge question. He’s the type of guy you flank with Vuc. You don’t trade your clearly best player for him.

[pepe1991]

so Magic wing combo would be guy who broke his leg like a toothpick and guy who is yet to play single game post ACL/MCL tears
Yaiks

It's no brainer Celtics want funcional center, but it's also no brainer for Magic to avoid trade with Ainge if they don't want to look like fools