Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIII Off-Season Edition)

thelead · Post #321 » by **thelead** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:39 am

You should always take the best player available in a draft regardless of position. Hennigan didn't have a problem selecting a pf when we already had 3 on the roster.

TDJacksonville · Post #322 » by **TDJacksonville** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:40 am

VGOSWAMI wrote:
MagicFan101 wrote:
TDJacksonville wrote:
with the 1st pick in the 2013 NBA Draft the Orlando Magic Select....... Shabazz Mohamed SG UCLA

Year after year we see elite high school prospects go into their freshman year as a favorite to be the #1 overall pick and then fail to live up to the hype. So we shouldn't get too high on any draft prospects just yet. If everyone does live up to expectations (unlikely but for the sake of argument...) then without a great big man, Orlando would surely target Zeller or Noel over Muhammad. This shouldn't be too surprising as most consider Noel and Zeller to be slightly better prospects as this point.

I'm not so sure. I agree that too often high school players go to the college game and aren't as successful and bust. But, I think the Magic should just draft the best player available. The draft may be one of the few chances that the Magic get to groom a stud into a cornerstone for the franchise. So I think if Shabazz is clearly a better prospect than Noel and we don't have a center but have plenty of wing talent, I say go with Shabazz. And it goes both ways. If Noel is clearly the better prospect and we have a center, go with Shabazz. The Magic have to rely on the draft to land a horse within the next few years. They can't afford to miss out.

Where I'm coming from is that I don't think it'd be wise of the Magic to pass up on Kevin Durant for Gregg Oden, even if we have a starting SF.

i agree. right now i have them at the Same Level so i went with Need as the tie breaker and we need more help on the wing than at the bigs.

thelead · Post #323 » by **thelead** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:44 am

Bensational wrote:it's easy to be "all about the team" when you're getting paid a max contract and the focal point of your team's offense - which is the most celebrated aspect of the game. i think Durant and Duncan would both be having issues, too, if they were constantly iced out of the 4th quarter and placed below the priority of streaky 3 point shots from inferior players. especially if the team lost games because of that, and the burden of that loss falls on their shoulders in the eyes of the media and masses.

i'm not saying Dwight deserves those touches, but in his head he's on the same level as Duncan and Durant as far as being a game changer. he hasn't accepted that his greatest asset is on the defensive end because he hasn't had the opportunity to really face his shortcomings as a weak 4th quarter option. Kobe needed to learn he couldn't do it all on his own before LA went out and got Gasol to help him win a ring. Dwight needs that chance too.

I think for Dwight, it's all about the roster. If we were true title contenders I doubt we would be going through this right now. Let's be honest too, if he ends up in LA, he'll probably win a ring and LA will trade Gasol for someone like Rudy Gay and refresh the talent level on the fly unlike most other franchises.

arkknight1988 · Post #324 » by **arkknight1988** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:45 am

i can already see players wanting to play for vaughn once rob improves our roster

magic04life · Post #325 » by **magic04life** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:47 am

I just watched the press conference and I'm liking what I hear from Vaughn.

My favorite quote from Vaughn in the PC was: "We WILL put together a team that our fans can be proud of and relate to."

I love it! Let's go Jacque!

cvMagic · Post #326 » by **cvMagic** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:50 am

Nyce_1 wrote:
John Denton ‏@JohnDenton555
#Magic PF @iambigbaby11 on JV: "While he was on that podium motivating, you want to hear that. You want to hear your coach motivating."

John Denton ‏@JohnDenton555
More #Magic @iambigbaby11 on JVaughn:"It's definitely a blessing to be in a situation like this with a guy who has a huge upside as a coach"

John Denton ‏@JohnDenton555
#Magic 's [b]Jacque Vaughn has dozens of pads filled with notes he learned from Popovich, Doc Rivers, Jerry Sloan. Should help learning curve.[b]
<-----whoa! Impressive that he's been keeping notes for years.

Shouldn't he copy all of those into a word doc? I mean, if he lost one of those pads...

TDJacksonville · Post #327 » by **TDJacksonville** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:56 am

MagicFan101 wrote:If we can make a trade with Houston and then essentially tank the season for a high pick of our own to go along with Toronto's and others, I would love to see Orlando walk away with a young trio of:

PG: Ian Miller (late 2013 lottery pick)
SG: Jeremy Lamb (Houston trade)
F/C: Zeller or Noel (Orlando's own pick)

You have an explosive, scoring PG in the mold of Russell Westbrook to go along with a beautiful shooter and an elite big man prospect. That is a great group to build around and one which will continue to struggle for a year or two while giving Orlando more good picks to work with.

Call up Houston and get rid of Dwight!

heres wat i would do since ur Projecting the Dwight trade into with picks.

Dwight and JRich get sent for Lamb Montiejunas, Raptors first Mavs first(top 20 protected and i think they can get atleast 21 with their Core).

we draft Shabazz Mohammed at our pick presumebly in the top 4 and for sakes we will call it pick 1 cuz u know stern will give it to us because of the dwight shenanigans.

with the raptors pick we select Mycak Kabongo PG Texas to be our new PG and Compares to a Rajon Rondo.

with the Mavs Pick we select Mitch McGrary PF Michigan who compares to a Kevin Love kind of player.

MagicFan101 · Post #328 » by **MagicFan101** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:07 am

TDJacksonville wrote:i agree. right now i have them at the Same Level so i went with Need as the tie breaker and we need more help on the wing than at the bigs.

What? A team that is about to trade Dwight Howard needs more help on the wing than at F/C? Really? If we trade for Bynum and he resigns, sure but so far it seems Orlando isn't high on that deal. If we make a trade with Houston (as most people seem to prefer) and take back Jeremy Lamb then we strengthen the wing positions while gutting our C position.

TDJacksonville · Post #329 » by **TDJacksonville** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:10 am

MagicFan101 wrote:
TDJacksonville wrote:i agree. right now i have them at the Same Level so i went with Need as the tie breaker and we need more help on the wing than at the bigs.

What? A team that is about to trade Dwight Howard needs more help on the wing than at F/C? Really? If we trade for Bynum and he resigns, sure but so far it seems Orlando isn't high on that deal. If we make a trade with Houston (as most people seem to prefer) and take back Jeremy Lamb then we strengthen the wing positions while gutting our C position.

i see us Getting Donatas Mountiejounas from the rockets in a dwight deal. if u look at the Post i made after that ud see my whole Dwight Trade scenario and picks

MagicFan101 · Post #330 » by **MagicFan101** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:13 am

VGOSWAMI wrote:Where I'm coming from is that I don't think it'd be wise of the Magic to pass up on Kevin Durant for Gregg Oden, even if we have a starting SF.

Not all big men suffer from the injuries that Greg Oden has. However, if we stick with your analogy by playing off of history then I would argue that Orlando has had pretty good success with taking big men #1 overall wouldn't you say? While both ended sourly in Orlando, each lead Orlando to the finals.

These mock draft standing will flip flop many times over before the next draft. My gut tells me that Orlando will eventually pull the trigger on a deal with Houston for Lamb, Martin, picks and filler. With that in mind, it is hard to imagine (today) that Orlando would pass on an elite big man prospect after such a deal.

Probably the most important reason why I would favor the bigs over Muhammad is that TDJacks is in favor of Muhammad. If there is anything I learned from exchanging posts with him on draft night it is that no one mistakes duds for stars while overlooking true talent like him! The flashy name isn't always the best talent....

MagicFan101 · Post #331 » by **MagicFan101** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:14 am

TDJacksonville wrote:
MagicFan101 wrote:
TDJacksonville wrote:i agree. right now i have them at the Same Level so i went with Need as the tie breaker and we need more help on the wing than at the bigs.

What? A team that is about to trade Dwight Howard needs more help on the wing than at F/C? Really? If we trade for Bynum and he resigns, sure but so far it seems Orlando isn't high on that deal. If we make a trade with Houston (as most people seem to prefer) and take back Jeremy Lamb then we strengthen the wing positions while gutting our C position.

i see us Getting Donatas Mountiejounas from the rockets in a dwight deal. if u look at the Post i made after that ud see my whole Dwight Trade scenario and picks

I saw, but that is ridiculous at this point. Hence I ignored it.

TDJacksonville · Post #332 » by **TDJacksonville** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:23 am

MagicFan101 wrote:
VGOSWAMI wrote:Where I'm coming from is that I don't think it'd be wise of the Magic to pass up on Kevin Durant for Gregg Oden, even if we have a starting SF.

Not all big men suffer from the injuries that Greg Oden has. However, if we stick with your analogy by playing off of history then I would argue that Orlando has had pretty good success with taking big men #1 overall wouldn't you say? While both ended sourly in Orlando, each lead Orlando to the finals.

These mock draft standing will flip flop many times over before the next draft. My gut tells me that Orlando will eventually pull the trigger on a deal with Houston for Lamb, Martin, picks and filler. With that in mind, it is hard to imagine (today) that Orlando would pass on an elite big man prospect after such a deal.

Probably the most important reason why I would favor the bigs over Muhammad is that TDJacks is in favor of Muhammad. If there is anything I learned from exchanging posts with him on draft night it is that no one mistakes duds for stars while overlooking true talent like him! The flashy name isn't always the best talent....

if we are building the team like OKC he will Pick Mohammed. Mohammed is a Better James Harden while Noels is a Smaller Mourning(talking weight here.)

PeePee la Fritz · Post #333 » by **PeePee la Fritz** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:24 am

TDJacksonville wrote:
MagicFan101 wrote:
TDJacksonville wrote:i agree. right now i have them at the Same Level so i went with Need as the tie breaker and we need more help on the wing than at the bigs.

What? A team that is about to trade Dwight Howard needs more help on the wing than at F/C? Really? If we trade for Bynum and he resigns, sure but so far it seems Orlando isn't high on that deal. If we make a trade with Houston (as most people seem to prefer) and take back Jeremy Lamb then we strengthen the wing positions while gutting our C position.

i see us Getting Donatas Mountiejounas from the rockets in a dwight deal. if u look at the Post i made after that ud see my whole Dwight Trade scenario and picks

DM is NOT a center

Nemesis21 · Post #334 » by **Nemesis21** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:25 am

MagicFan101 wrote:If we can make a trade with Houston and then essentially tank the season for a high pick of our own to go along with Toronto's and others, I would love to see Orlando walk away with a young trio of:

PG: Ian Miller (late 2013 lottery pick)
SG: Jeremy Lamb (Houston trade)
F/C: Zeller or Noel (Orlando's own pick)

You have an explosive, scoring PG in the mold of Russell Westbrook to go along with a beautiful shooter and an elite big man prospect. That is a great group to build around and one which will continue to struggle for a year or two while giving Orlando more good picks to work with.

Call up Houston and get rid of Dwight!

That would be awesome, but the Magic are not getting Zeller or Noel with their own pick, which would be slated anywhere from 14-20. However, I do like the Ian Miller pick.

TDJacksonville · Post #335 » by **TDJacksonville** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:26 am

MagicFan101 wrote:
TDJacksonville wrote:
MagicFan101 wrote:
What? A team that is about to trade Dwight Howard needs more help on the wing than at F/C? Really? If we trade for Bynum and he resigns, sure but so far it seems Orlando isn't high on that deal. If we make a trade with Houston (as most people seem to prefer) and take back Jeremy Lamb then we strengthen the wing positions while gutting our C position.

i see us Getting Donatas Mountiejounas from the rockets in a dwight deal. if u look at the Post i made after that ud see my whole Dwight Trade scenario and picks

I saw, but that is ridiculous at this point. Hence I ignored it.

so its ridicoulous for me to make a Dwight trade but its okay for u to. get real bro.

Anyways my trade is actually Pretty fair and im sure if u asked Rockets fans if they would do that deal it would be Much better than wat we dont know thats been discussed.

TDJacksonville · Post #336 » by **TDJacksonville** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:28 am

PeePee la Fritz wrote:
TDJacksonville wrote:
MagicFan101 wrote:
What? A team that is about to trade Dwight Howard needs more help on the wing than at F/C? Really? If we trade for Bynum and he resigns, sure but so far it seems Orlando isn't high on that deal. If we make a trade with Houston (as most people seem to prefer) and take back Jeremy Lamb then we strengthen the wing positions while gutting our C position.

i see us Getting Donatas Mountiejounas from the rockets in a dwight deal. if u look at the Post i made after that ud see my whole Dwight Trade scenario and picks

DM is NOT a center

DM can Play Center. if u look at the post i made with the whole trade with dwight Involved ud see we would be very tough to beat with my lineup.

OrlandoMajinBuu · Post #337 » by **OrlandoMajinBuu** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:29 am

PeePee la Fritz wrote:
DM is NOT a center

No he's a PG...
Are you kidding right...? how a 7 footer is not a C.
Even a baby knows that.

@PF: DM > C.Bosh
@C: DM > C.Bosh

They both are 7 footer.

TDJacksonville · Post #338 » by **TDJacksonville** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:31 am

OrlandoMajinBuu wrote:
PeePee la Fritz wrote:
DM is NOT a center

No he's a PG. Are you kidding how a 7 footer is not a C. Even a baby knows that.

If Steven Hunter could play Center for us then im Sure DM can do that.

MagicFan101 · Post #339 » by **MagicFan101** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:33 am

Nemesis21 wrote:
MagicFan101 wrote:If we can make a trade with Houston and then essentially tank the season for a high pick of our own to go along with Toronto's and others, I would love to see Orlando walk away with a young trio of:

PG: Ian Miller (late 2013 lottery pick)
SG: Jeremy Lamb (Houston trade)
F/C: Zeller or Noel (Orlando's own pick)

You have an explosive, scoring PG in the mold of Russell Westbrook to go along with a beautiful shooter and an elite big man prospect. That is a great group to build around and one which will continue to struggle for a year or two while giving Orlando more good picks to work with.

Call up Houston and get rid of Dwight!

That would be awesome, but the Magic are not getting Zeller or Noel with their own pick, which would be slated anywhere from 14-20. However, I do like the Ian Miller pick.

If Orlando trades Dwight to Houston they are NOT making the playoffs. I really don't see us taking back Bynum and dealing with another year of this but if for some reason that happens, then its possible.

Nemesis21 · Post #340 » by **Nemesis21** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:36 am

MagicFan101 wrote:
Nemesis21 wrote:
MagicFan101 wrote:If we can make a trade with Houston and then essentially tank the season for a high pick of our own to go along with Toronto's and others, I would love to see Orlando walk away with a young trio of:

PG: Ian Miller (late 2013 lottery pick)
SG: Jeremy Lamb (Houston trade)
F/C: Zeller or Noel (Orlando's own pick)

You have an explosive, scoring PG in the mold of Russell Westbrook to go along with a beautiful shooter and an elite big man prospect. That is a great group to build around and one which will continue to struggle for a year or two while giving Orlando more good picks to work with.

Call up Houston and get rid of Dwight!

That would be awesome, but the Magic are not getting Zeller or Noel with their own pick, which would be slated anywhere from 14-20. However, I do like the Ian Miller pick.

If Orlando trades Dwight to Houston they are NOT making the playoffs. I really don't see us taking back Bynum and dealing with another year of this but if for some reason that happens, then its possible.

I'll agree with this part, but the Magic's own pick wont be a top 5 pick.