The Trade Thread II

[yoyojw17]

I don't think that there is any problem with ag starting at the 3. Yes it would be amazing that he can hit the 3 ball more consistently.... but I would like to see him as a jump shooter last more than anything. cut to the basket ....make your self available. use your athleticism and size at the position to your advantage..... anddddddddddd if need be take the jumper when available. Attack the rim first.... get to the line...with ibaka out at the line as well CRASH THE BOARDS.... and lastly take a jump shot if available. Would be great if he even refined his post game as well ... probably much more doable than his shot. And let the shot confidence build from there.

I don't think that most people here understand fundamentals of basketball.
Most of time you can't attack and break man 1 on 1 if defender doesn't respect your jump shot. When you are bad shooter defender is not that close to you, so when you attack him offf dribble he has enough tme and space between you and him to react, short your angle in a cut and stop penetration with his body.

IF you are good shooter, however, defender must respect your jumper, that means he will try to stay close to you and he will contest shots and jump on your pumpfakes, so ,when you attack him off drible ,because he stays close to you, with your first step you can create enough of adventage to break him 1 on1 and attack the rim.

So, it doesn't matter is Gordon athletic or he is not, if defender never contests his shots and stays in defensive position ( has defensive posture that you learn at basketball camps at age of 7 ) he will never be able to attack the rim because he will never be able to break defender 1 on 1 and go pass him.

When you look at highlights of his best games this year you can see that that type of games are not sustinable offense. When he gets himself going he hits stepback 3s and contested fadeaway twos. Even superstars can't make that shots consistant enough to make that part of their offense. So , for defense, every shot taken outside paint by Gordon is good shot.

When you put him at PF he can use as adventage his size and hoops to get garbage points like putbacks and attack from pick&roll ,everything he can't do at SF because at SF you spent most of the time on 3 point line where he is not treat at all

At no point did I try and imply anything about his one on one game.....lol. Because that is not one of his strengths still at this point. And yes.... i know how defensive positioning works and is effected by a solid jump shot. I would hope that his offense balances out properly with time as his jumper improves. All i'm saying is.... there are many times he's out at the 3 point line.... hovers and stays there.... leading to a jumper , whether its a pull up or a 3. And as you said.... he is bailing the defense out every time he takes one of those more than he is helping the team at the this stage of his development. Maybe they are giving him free reigns in order to get him comfortable.... and might not care even more right now as it helps with the tank... haha.

[pepe1991]

I don't think that there is any problem with ag starting at the 3. Yes it would be amazing that he can hit the 3 ball more consistently.... but I would like to see him as a jump shooter last more than anything. cut to the basket ....make your self available. use your athleticism and size at the position to your advantage..... anddddddddddd if need be take the jumper when available. Attack the rim first.... get to the line...with ibaka out at the line as well CRASH THE BOARDS.... and lastly take a jump shot if available. Would be great if he even refined his post game as well ... probably much more doable than his shot. And let the shot confidence build from there.

I don't think that most people here understand fundamentals of basketball.
Most of time you can't attack and break man 1 on 1 if defender doesn't respect your jump shot. When you are bad shooter defender is not that close to you, so when you attack him offf dribble he has enough tme and space between you and him to react, short your angle in a cut and stop penetration with his body.

IF you are good shooter, however, defender must respect your jumper, that means he will try to stay close to you and he will contest shots and jump on your pumpfakes, so ,when you attack him off drible ,because he stays close to you, with your first step you can create enough of adventage to break him 1 on1 and attack the rim.

So, it doesn't matter is Gordon athletic or he is not, if defender never contests his shots and stays in defensive position ( has defensive posture that you learn at basketball camps at age of 7 ) he will never be able to attack the rim because he will never be able to break defender 1 on 1 and go pass him.

When you look at highlights of his best games this year you can see that that type of games are not sustinable offense. When he gets himself going he hits stepback 3s and contested fadeaway twos. Even superstars can't make that shots consistant enough to make that part of their offense. So , for defense, every shot taken outside paint by Gordon is good shot.

When you put him at PF he can use as adventage his size and hoops to get garbage points like putbacks and attack from pick&roll ,everything he can't do at SF because at SF you spent most of the time on 3 point line where he is not treat at all

At no point did I try and imply anything about his one on one game.....lol. Because that is not one of his strengths still at this point. And yes.... i know how defensive positioning works and is effected by a solid jump shot. I would hope that his offense balances out properly with time as his jumper improves. All i'm saying is.... there are many times he's out at the 3 point line.... hovers and stays there.... leading to a jumper , whether its a pull up or a 3. And as you said.... he is bailing the defense out every time he takes one of those more than he is helping the team at the this stage of his development. Maybe they are giving him free reigns in order to get him comfortable.... and might not care even more right now as it helps with the tank... haha.

I'm just saying that everything in basketball is connected. If you can't shoot you probably won't be able to break defender and get at rim. He can't just put his head down and run through opponent to get at rim.

At SF he must stay at 3 point line just to give some spacing ,despinte not being able to make most of shots from that range. I mean where he can go? If he goes in post he just disrupts Vučević and Ibaka because now, with Gordon around paint,as no total no treat from mid range, his defender can also give help defense on Vučević.

Play it simple , Payton at PG and Gordon at SF will never work, there is big chance that Gordon at PF with Payton at PG also will never work because league went in total new direction where everybody can shoot and you have two players in SL who can't.

My biggest fear with Gordon is that, once you move him at PF we will just figure out that even at PF he isn't that great. He is great defender but not that great of rebounder, no shot blocker, not rim protector and can't give you anything specal "outside of box " like passing or elite shooting.

Without huge improvment in shootng ( highly unlikely ) i'm not sure that he will ever be more than border line starter without true position.

[tiderulz]

I don't think that there is any problem with ag starting at the 3. Yes it would be amazing that he can hit the 3 ball more consistently.... but I would like to see him as a jump shooter last more than anything. cut to the basket ....make your self available. use your athleticism and size at the position to your advantage..... anddddddddddd if need be take the jumper when available. Attack the rim first.... get to the line...with ibaka out at the line as well CRASH THE BOARDS.... and lastly take a jump shot if available. Would be great if he even refined his post game as well ... probably much more doable than his shot. And let the shot confidence build from there.

I don't think that most people here understand fundamentals of basketball.
Most of time you can't attack and break man 1 on 1 if defender doesn't respect your jump shot. When you are bad shooter defender is not that close to you, so when you attack him offf dribble he has enough tme and space between you and him to react, short your angle in a cut and stop penetration with his body.

IF you are good shooter, however, defender must respect your jumper, that means he will try to stay close to you and he will contest shots and jump on your pumpfakes, so ,when you attack him off drible ,because he stays close to you, with your first step you can create enough of adventage to break him 1 on1 and attack the rim.

So, it doesn't matter is Gordon athletic or he is not, if defender never contests his shots and stays in defensive position ( has defensive posture that you learn at basketball camps at age of 7 ) he will never be able to attack the rim because he will never be able to break defender 1 on 1 and go pass him.

When you look at highlights of his best games this year you can see that that type of games are not sustinable offense. When he gets himself going he hits stepback 3s and contested fadeaway twos. Even superstars can't make that shots consistant enough to make that part of their offense. So , for defense, every shot taken outside paint by Gordon is good shot.

When you put him at PF he can use as adventage his size and hoops to get garbage points like putbacks and attack from pick&roll ,everything he can't do at SF because at SF you spent most of the time on 3 point line where he is not treat at all

agree at lot except for the underlined. At PF, he will not have a size advantage

[The Real Dalic]

Why do we always have to wait till the day of the deadline to make a move?

[OrlandoNed]

Why do we always have to wait till the day of the deadline to make a move?

It's like a game of chicken when it comes to a trade deadline in a sports league. Teams wait it out for a more desperate team to swerve and up the ante for a deal.

[The Real Dalic]

Why do we always have to wait till the day of the deadline to make a move?

It's like a game of chicken when it comes to a trade deadline in a sports league. Teams wait it out for a more desperate team to swerve and up the ante for a deal.

Unfortunately, we're probably going to be one of the desperate teams. I hope we don't do another Tobias Harris trade.

[OrlandoNed]

I don't think that there is any problem with ag starting at the 3. Yes it would be amazing that he can hit the 3 ball more consistently.... but I would like to see him as a jump shooter last more than anything. cut to the basket ....make your self available. use your athleticism and size at the position to your advantage..... anddddddddddd if need be take the jumper when available. Attack the rim first.... get to the line...with ibaka out at the line as well CRASH THE BOARDS.... and lastly take a jump shot if available. Would be great if he even refined his post game as well ... probably much more doable than his shot. And let the shot confidence build from there.

I don't think that most people here understand fundamentals of basketball.
Most of time you can't attack and break man 1 on 1 if defender doesn't respect your jump shot. When you are bad shooter defender is not that close to you, so when you attack him offf dribble he has enough tme and space between you and him to react, short your angle in a cut and stop penetration with his body.

IF you are good shooter, however, defender must respect your jumper, that means he will try to stay close to you and he will contest shots and jump on your pumpfakes, so ,when you attack him off drible ,because he stays close to you, with your first step you can create enough of adventage to break him 1 on1 and attack the rim.

So, it doesn't matter is Gordon athletic or he is not, if defender never contests his shots and stays in defensive position ( has defensive posture that you learn at basketball camps at age of 7 ) he will never be able to attack the rim because he will never be able to break defender 1 on 1 and go pass him.

When you look at highlights of his best games this year you can see that that type of games are not sustinable offense. When he gets himself going he hits stepback 3s and contested fadeaway twos. Even superstars can't make that shots consistant enough to make that part of their offense. So , for defense, every shot taken outside paint by Gordon is good shot.

When you put him at PF he can use as adventage his size and hoops to get garbage points like putbacks and attack from pick&roll ,everything he can't do at SF because at SF you spent most of the time on 3 point line where he is not treat at all

agree at lot except for the underlined. At PF, he will not have a size advantage

A size advantage doesn't always necessarily go to the bigger guy. Smaller guys are usually faster than bigger guys and that extra speed would give the smaller guy an advantage in certain situations, like in transition or chasing down a loose ball.

[OrlandoNed]

I don't think that most people here understand fundamentals of basketball.
Most of time you can't attack and break man 1 on 1 if defender doesn't respect your jump shot. When you are bad shooter defender is not that close to you, so when you attack him offf dribble he has enough tme and space between you and him to react, short your angle in a cut and stop penetration with his body.

IF you are good shooter, however, defender must respect your jumper, that means he will try to stay close to you and he will contest shots and jump on your pumpfakes, so ,when you attack him off drible ,because he stays close to you, with your first step you can create enough of adventage to break him 1 on1 and attack the rim.

So, it doesn't matter is Gordon athletic or he is not, if defender never contests his shots and stays in defensive position ( has defensive posture that you learn at basketball camps at age of 7 ) he will never be able to attack the rim because he will never be able to break defender 1 on 1 and go pass him.

When you look at highlights of his best games this year you can see that that type of games are not sustinable offense. When he gets himself going he hits stepback 3s and contested fadeaway twos. Even superstars can't make that shots consistant enough to make that part of their offense. So , for defense, every shot taken outside paint by Gordon is good shot.

When you put him at PF he can use as adventage his size and hoops to get garbage points like putbacks and attack from pick&roll ,everything he can't do at SF because at SF you spent most of the time on 3 point line where he is not treat at all

At no point did I try and imply anything about his one on one game.....lol. Because that is not one of his strengths still at this point. And yes.... i know how defensive positioning works and is effected by a solid jump shot. I would hope that his offense balances out properly with time as his jumper improves. All i'm saying is.... there are many times he's out at the 3 point line.... hovers and stays there.... leading to a jumper , whether its a pull up or a 3. And as you said.... he is bailing the defense out every time he takes one of those more than he is helping the team at the this stage of his development. Maybe they are giving him free reigns in order to get him comfortable.... and might not care even more right now as it helps with the tank... haha.

I'm just saying that everything in basketball is connected. If you can't shoot you probably won't be able to break defender and get at rim. He can't just put his head down and run through opponent to get at rim.

At SF he must stay at 3 point line just to give some spacing ,despinte not being able to make most of shots from that range. I mean where he can go? If he goes in post he just disrupts Vučević and Ibaka because now, with Gordon around paint,as no total no treat from mid range, his defender can also give help defense on Vučević.

Play it simple , Payton at PG and Gordon at SF will never work, there is big chance that Gordon at PF with Payton at PG also will never work because league went in total new direction where everybody can shoot and you have two players in SL who can't.

My biggest fear with Gordon is that, once you move him at PF we will just figure out that even at PF he isn't that great. He is great defender but not that great of rebounder, no shot blocker, not rim protector and can't give you anything specal "outside of box " like passing or elite shooting.

Without huge improvment in shootng ( highly unlikely ) i'm not sure that he will ever be more than border line starter without true position.

Well said.

It's bad enough having 1 starter who opponents don't respect from 3, but 2 starters leads to offenses that get bogged down easily and often. At minimum, opposing defenses always have 1 guy sagging off of Payton or Gordon. That's one big reason that our offense blows.

It's like nobody here remembers how badly we struggled against Boston on offense during the 2010 regular season and ECF in the Dwight/SVG days. They figured out our 4 out/1 in offense by cheating off of the weakest link from 3 in our starting lineup, Matt Barnes. He shot 32% from 3 that year and Boston realized by forcing Barnes to punish them with open looks, they could leave a single guy on the often stationary (during halfcourt sets) Jameer/Hedo/Rashard and then have Barnes' guy double Howard on post ups or play free safety on any guy cutting to the rim.

We always had ugly low scoring games against Boston because they were an elite defensive team who exploited our effective offense by taking advantage of 1 below average 3 point shooter in the starting lineup 7 years ago when the 3 point shot wasn't as important as it is now. That was bad enough with 1 starter who shot 32% from 3 in 2010, in 2017 we've seen how disgustingly pathetic it can get with 2 starters who shoot 27% and 30% from 3.

[PennytoShaq]

Boston exploited us also because they knew D12 had terrible post moves and they didn't need to double him. So they singled him the entire series, sagged off our weakest shooter, and we were done.

If Dwight had developed a real post game that demanded doubles from every NBA team, not just some, we would probably have 1-2 rings by now.

[pepe1991]

At no point did I try and imply anything about his one on one game.....lol. Because that is not one of his strengths still at this point. And yes.... i know how defensive positioning works and is effected by a solid jump shot. I would hope that his offense balances out properly with time as his jumper improves. All i'm saying is.... there are many times he's out at the 3 point line.... hovers and stays there.... leading to a jumper , whether its a pull up or a 3. And as you said.... he is bailing the defense out every time he takes one of those more than he is helping the team at the this stage of his development. Maybe they are giving him free reigns in order to get him comfortable.... and might not care even more right now as it helps with the tank... haha.

I'm just saying that everything in basketball is connected. If you can't shoot you probably won't be able to break defender and get at rim. He can't just put his head down and run through opponent to get at rim.

At SF he must stay at 3 point line just to give some spacing ,despinte not being able to make most of shots from that range. I mean where he can go? If he goes in post he just disrupts Vučević and Ibaka because now, with Gordon around paint,as no total no treat from mid range, his defender can also give help defense on Vučević.

Play it simple , Payton at PG and Gordon at SF will never work, there is big chance that Gordon at PF with Payton at PG also will never work because league went in total new direction where everybody can shoot and you have two players in SL who can't.

My biggest fear with Gordon is that, once you move him at PF we will just figure out that even at PF he isn't that great. He is great defender but not that great of rebounder, no shot blocker, not rim protector and can't give you anything specal "outside of box " like passing or elite shooting.

Without huge improvment in shootng ( highly unlikely ) i'm not sure that he will ever be more than border line starter without true position.

Well said.

It's bad enough having 1 starter who opponents don't respect from 3, but 2 starters leads to offenses that get bogged down easily and often. At minimum, opposing defenses always have 1 guy sagging off of Payton or Gordon. That's one big reason that our offense blows.

It's like nobody here remembers how badly we struggled against Boston on offense during the 2010 regular season and ECF in the Dwight/SVG days. They figured out our 4 out/1 in offense by cheating off of the weakest link from 3 in our starting lineup, Matt Barnes. He shot 32% from 3 that year and Boston realized by forcing Barnes to punish them with open looks, they could leave a single guy on the often stationary (during halfcourt sets) Jameer/Hedo/Rashard and then have Barnes' guy double Howard on post ups or play free safety on any guy cutting to the rim.

We always had ugly low scoring games against Boston because they were an elite defensive team who exploited our effective offense by taking advantage of 1 below average 3 point shooter in the starting lineup 7 years ago when the 3 point shot wasn't as important as it is now. That was bad enough with 1 starter who shot 32% from 3 in 2010, in 2017 we've seen how disgustingly pathetic it can get with 2 starters who shoot 27% and 30% from 3.

That's how Cavs beat Warriors in nba finals. They forced Barnes to beat them,and he simply couldn't answer that callenge,despite being good shooter.

[OrlandoNed]

I'm just saying that everything in basketball is connected. If you can't shoot you probably won't be able to break defender and get at rim. He can't just put his head down and run through opponent to get at rim.

At SF he must stay at 3 point line just to give some spacing ,despinte not being able to make most of shots from that range. I mean where he can go? If he goes in post he just disrupts Vučević and Ibaka because now, with Gordon around paint,as no total no treat from mid range, his defender can also give help defense on Vučević.

Play it simple , Payton at PG and Gordon at SF will never work, there is big chance that Gordon at PF with Payton at PG also will never work because league went in total new direction where everybody can shoot and you have two players in SL who can't.

My biggest fear with Gordon is that, once you move him at PF we will just figure out that even at PF he isn't that great. He is great defender but not that great of rebounder, no shot blocker, not rim protector and can't give you anything specal "outside of box " like passing or elite shooting.

Without huge improvment in shootng ( highly unlikely ) i'm not sure that he will ever be more than border line starter without true position.

Well said.

It's bad enough having 1 starter who opponents don't respect from 3, but 2 starters leads to offenses that get bogged down easily and often. At minimum, opposing defenses always have 1 guy sagging off of Payton or Gordon. That's one big reason that our offense blows.

It's like nobody here remembers how badly we struggled against Boston on offense during the 2010 regular season and ECF in the Dwight/SVG days. They figured out our 4 out/1 in offense by cheating off of the weakest link from 3 in our starting lineup, Matt Barnes. He shot 32% from 3 that year and Boston realized by forcing Barnes to punish them with open looks, they could leave a single guy on the often stationary (during halfcourt sets) Jameer/Hedo/Rashard and then have Barnes' guy double Howard on post ups or play free safety on any guy cutting to the rim.

We always had ugly low scoring games against Boston because they were an elite defensive team who exploited our effective offense by taking advantage of 1 below average 3 point shooter in the starting lineup 7 years ago when the 3 point shot wasn't as important as it is now. That was bad enough with 1 starter who shot 32% from 3 in 2010, in 2017 we've seen how disgustingly pathetic it can get with 2 starters who shoot 27% and 30% from 3.

That's how Cavs beat Warriors in nba finals. They forced Barnes to beat them,and he simply couldn't answer that callenge,despite being good shooter.

True. Our Barnes was long known as a below average shooter for the majority of his career up until that point. In the Finals however, Harrison Barnes had always been a pretty good shooter but the Cavs recognized that he was going through a really bad dry spell and exploited a sudden weakness in the Warriors offense.

[OrlandoDream]

The more we wait, the more I feel we are not going to make a trade and just let Serge walk. The man is waiting for an offer that will not come.

[nymets1]

Do we have any Magic insiders on here? just curious if the Magic have attempted to reach to the Timberwolves about trading for Zach Lavine

[Nyce_1]

Do we have any Magic insiders on here? just curious if the Magic have attempted to reach to the Timberwolves about trading for Zach Lavine

before or after his ACL tear?

[Skin]

I don't think that there is any problem with ag starting at the 3. Yes it would be amazing that he can hit the 3 ball more consistently.... but I would like to see him as a jump shooter last more than anything. cut to the basket ....make your self available. use your athleticism and size at the position to your advantage..... anddddddddddd if need be take the jumper when available. Attack the rim first.... get to the line...with ibaka out at the line as well CRASH THE BOARDS.... and lastly take a jump shot if available. Would be great if he even refined his post game as well ... probably much more doable than his shot. And let the shot confidence build from there.

I don't think that most people here understand fundamentals of basketball.
Most of time you can't attack and break man 1 on 1 if defender doesn't respect your jump shot. When you are bad shooter defender is not that close to you, so when you attack him offf dribble he has enough tme and space between you and him to react, short your angle in a cut and stop penetration with his body.

IF you are good shooter, however, defender must respect your jumper, that means he will try to stay close to you and he will contest shots and jump on your pumpfakes, so ,when you attack him off drible ,because he stays close to you, with your first step you can create enough of adventage to break him 1 on1 and attack the rim.

So, it doesn't matter is Gordon athletic or he is not, if defender never contests his shots and stays in defensive position ( has defensive posture that you learn at basketball camps at age of 7 ) he will never be able to attack the rim because he will never be able to break defender 1 on 1 and go pass him.

When you look at highlights of his best games this year you can see that that type of games are not sustinable offense. When he gets himself going he hits stepback 3s and contested fadeaway twos. Even superstars can't make that shots consistant enough to make that part of their offense. So , for defense, every shot taken outside paint by Gordon is good shot.

When you put him at PF he can use as adventage his size and hoops to get garbage points like putbacks and attack from pick&roll ,everything he can't do at SF because at SF you spent most of the time on 3 point line where he is not treat at all

The thing that is pissing me off about Gordon is that he is not attacking the rim to the degree that I think he should. Even if defenders are laying off of him because he doesn't pose as a threat to score, he can still get by them with his body. He needs to enforce his mother truckin' will. He's bigger than most SFs. If he drives with aggression he should either score or draw foul. ...and this goes both ways. The more he drives, the more defenders will sag off and the more open looks he will get, which should open up cleaner looks at the basket. We saw this over and over again with the way teams tried to defend Lebron.

The way you want Gordon to be used... " to get garbage points like putbacks" is what role players do. Henny and Vogel are in the business of trying to make Gordon a star, not a role player.

[Furinkazan]

insiders nope but I got some pretty sick spicy sauces

jokes aside seems all the rumors stopped after that pooper event

they hired a hitman or something

[ButchMcRae]

Do we have any Magic insiders on here? just curious if the Magic have attempted to reach to the Timberwolves about trading for Zach Lavine

Out for the season with an ACL tear, doubt the Magic will consider the risk at this point. Minny would ask for too high of a price.

[ButchMcRae]

I don't think that there is any problem with ag starting at the 3. Yes it would be amazing that he can hit the 3 ball more consistently.... but I would like to see him as a jump shooter last more than anything. cut to the basket ....make your self available. use your athleticism and size at the position to your advantage..... anddddddddddd if need be take the jumper when available. Attack the rim first.... get to the line...with ibaka out at the line as well CRASH THE BOARDS.... and lastly take a jump shot if available. Would be great if he even refined his post game as well ... probably much more doable than his shot. And let the shot confidence build from there.

I don't think that most people here understand fundamentals of basketball.
Most of time you can't attack and break man 1 on 1 if defender doesn't respect your jump shot. When you are bad shooter defender is not that close to you, so when you attack him offf dribble he has enough tme and space between you and him to react, short your angle in a cut and stop penetration with his body.

IF you are good shooter, however, defender must respect your jumper, that means he will try to stay close to you and he will contest shots and jump on your pumpfakes, so ,when you attack him off drible ,because he stays close to you, with your first step you can create enough of adventage to break him 1 on1 and attack the rim.

So, it doesn't matter is Gordon athletic or he is not, if defender never contests his shots and stays in defensive position ( has defensive posture that you learn at basketball camps at age of 7 ) he will never be able to attack the rim because he will never be able to break defender 1 on 1 and go pass him.

When you look at highlights of his best games this year you can see that that type of games are not sustinable offense. When he gets himself going he hits stepback 3s and contested fadeaway twos. Even superstars can't make that shots consistant enough to make that part of their offense. So , for defense, every shot taken outside paint by Gordon is good shot.

When you put him at PF he can use as adventage his size and hoops to get garbage points like putbacks and attack from pick&roll ,everything he can't do at SF because at SF you spent most of the time on 3 point line where he is not treat at all

The thing that is pissing me off about Gordon is that he is not attacking the rim to the degree that I think he should. Even if defenders are laying off of him because he doesn't pose as a threat to score, he can still get by them with his body. He needs to enforce his mother truckin' will. He's bigger than most SFs. If he drives with aggression he should either score or draw foul. ...and this goes both ways. The more he drives, the more defenders will sag off and the more open looks he will get, which should open up cleaner looks at the basket. We saw this over and over again with the way teams tried to defend Lebron.

The way you want Gordon to be used... " to get garbage points like putbacks" is what role players do. Henny and Vogel are in the business of trying to make Gordon a star, not a role player.

What frustrates me the most about AG is his fear in initiating contact. All his high flying highlight reels are of him unguarded 90% of the time. Im still waiting for that one moment where one of the top athletic players in the NBA rises up and shows no remorse for human life.

[OrlandoNed]

I don't think that there is any problem with ag starting at the 3. Yes it would be amazing that he can hit the 3 ball more consistently.... but I would like to see him as a jump shooter last more than anything. cut to the basket ....make your self available. use your athleticism and size at the position to your advantage..... anddddddddddd if need be take the jumper when available. Attack the rim first.... get to the line...with ibaka out at the line as well CRASH THE BOARDS.... and lastly take a jump shot if available. Would be great if he even refined his post game as well ... probably much more doable than his shot. And let the shot confidence build from there.

I don't think that most people here understand fundamentals of basketball.
Most of time you can't attack and break man 1 on 1 if defender doesn't respect your jump shot. When you are bad shooter defender is not that close to you, so when you attack him offf dribble he has enough tme and space between you and him to react, short your angle in a cut and stop penetration with his body.

IF you are good shooter, however, defender must respect your jumper, that means he will try to stay close to you and he will contest shots and jump on your pumpfakes, so ,when you attack him off drible ,because he stays close to you, with your first step you can create enough of adventage to break him 1 on1 and attack the rim.

So, it doesn't matter is Gordon athletic or he is not, if defender never contests his shots and stays in defensive position ( has defensive posture that you learn at basketball camps at age of 7 ) he will never be able to attack the rim because he will never be able to break defender 1 on 1 and go pass him.

When you look at highlights of his best games this year you can see that that type of games are not sustinable offense. When he gets himself going he hits stepback 3s and contested fadeaway twos. Even superstars can't make that shots consistant enough to make that part of their offense. So , for defense, every shot taken outside paint by Gordon is good shot.

When you put him at PF he can use as adventage his size and hoops to get garbage points like putbacks and attack from pick&roll ,everything he can't do at SF because at SF you spent most of the time on 3 point line where he is not treat at all

The thing that is pissing me off about Gordon is that he is not attacking the rim to the degree that I think he should. Even if defenders are laying off of him because he doesn't pose as a threat to score, he can still get by them with his body. He needs to enforce his mother truckin' will. He's bigger than most SFs. If he drives with aggression he should either score or draw foul. ...and this goes both ways. The more he drives, the more defenders will sag off and the more open looks he will get, which should open up cleaner looks at the basket. We saw this over and over again with the way teams tried to defend Lebron.

The way you want Gordon to be used... " to get garbage points like putbacks" is what role players do. Henny and Vogel are in the business of trying to make Gordon a star, not a role player.

Have to learn to crawl before learning to run. Gordon barely started last year at all and was putting up good numbers and then we started this SF nonsense and he hasn't really done that well as a two way wing player. He needed more time starting at PF to establish a foundation to build on before he started clanking jumpers this year.

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I don't think that most people here understand fundamentals of basketball.
Most of time you can't attack and break man 1 on 1 if defender doesn't respect your jump shot. When you are bad shooter defender is not that close to you, so when you attack him offf dribble he has enough tme and space between you and him to react, short your angle in a cut and stop penetration with his body.

IF you are good shooter, however, defender must respect your jumper, that means he will try to stay close to you and he will contest shots and jump on your pumpfakes, so ,when you attack him off drible ,because he stays close to you, with your first step you can create enough of adventage to break him 1 on1 and attack the rim.

So, it doesn't matter is Gordon athletic or he is not, if defender never contests his shots and stays in defensive position ( has defensive posture that you learn at basketball camps at age of 7 ) he will never be able to attack the rim because he will never be able to break defender 1 on 1 and go pass him.

When you look at highlights of his best games this year you can see that that type of games are not sustinable offense. When he gets himself going he hits stepback 3s and contested fadeaway twos. Even superstars can't make that shots consistant enough to make that part of their offense. So , for defense, every shot taken outside paint by Gordon is good shot.

When you put him at PF he can use as adventage his size and hoops to get garbage points like putbacks and attack from pick&roll ,everything he can't do at SF because at SF you spent most of the time on 3 point line where he is not treat at all

The thing that is pissing me off about Gordon is that he is not attacking the rim to the degree that I think he should. Even if defenders are laying off of him because he doesn't pose as a threat to score, he can still get by them with his body. He needs to enforce his mother truckin' will. He's bigger than most SFs. If he drives with aggression he should either score or draw foul. ...and this goes both ways. The more he drives, the more defenders will sag off and the more open looks he will get, which should open up cleaner looks at the basket. We saw this over and over again with the way teams tried to defend Lebron.

The way you want Gordon to be used... " to get garbage points like putbacks" is what role players do. Henny and Vogel are in the business of trying to make Gordon a star, not a role player.

Have to learn to crawl before learning to run. Gordon barely started last year at all and was putting up good numbers and then we started this SF nonsense and he hasn't really done that well as a two way wing player. He needed more time starting at PF to establish a foundation to build on before he started clanking jumpers this year.

How does that "crawl before running" not apply to him at SF? This is his first year.