Official UCF Sports Thread - Basketball: NIT Bid? Football: Spring Practice Underway

[nymets1]

https://247sports.com/college/central-florida/Article/UCF-lands-commitment-from-JUCO-DB-126168757/

Sounds like a big commit UCF just got. We'll need help at CB after we lose Kyle Gibson and Rashard Causey.

https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2018/12/10/Colleges/AAC.aspx

So if UCF wants to get into a P5 conference, Than they probably not trying to extend anything with the AAC i'm guessing.

[UCFJayBird]

Danny White has only been here since 2015. Much (not all) of the success the program is seeing today is to the credit of people (including coaches) who are no longer here.

Danny White will ultimately be graded on the future of the program. If you look at the inability to retain key staff members, the inability to translate on the field success to recruiting wins and the inability to recognize the value of long term over short term $$ gains then you quickly see this all comes crashing down with one pass of a strong graduating class.

Ah, yes. Classic. "We want all the privilege but we don't want to pay for anything or do any of the hard work."

Then people need to drop the bitching about being left out of the playoffs and stop calling themselves champions. If focusing on short term financial gains is what matters then admit that and show plans for developing infrastructure on campus with those gains. But you can't have it both ways. Not yet. Not until you get into a real conference and that isn't going to happen by passing up opportunities such as these.

Get the clown out of here and hire a real AD.

People always say that if you can’t say something nice then don’t say anything at all. So I will start off with:

[color=#800000]Missing the point is a skill you have mastered[/color].

There you go. Your one compliment of the day.


Now, I understand that I have the luxury of being a long time fan of multiple programs with very different history. People who have known nothing but UCF are new to this so allow me to enlighten you. No program is defined by a single year or even stretch of years. No program is immune to down eras. Similarly, even the lowliest of programs can strike gold with the right recruiting class and experience unsustainable success.

So what is it about some programs which allows them to endure down times which a program like UCF could focus on to sustain their current success?

Your list here is a perfect example of focusing on the wrong items. True, a lot of it expands beyond football and is irrelivent to this discussion. You’re focusing on spot instance events rather than building roots for the future. Tangible things which correlate to a constant stream of success are not trending away from the norm over the past 10 years. All signs point to recent success being a flash in the pan.

Let’s see if Danny’s scheduling bluff works out and / or if recruiting finishes strong.

You seem to think the only thing that matters is recruiting and how our recruits grade out. Forget investing in facilities, or raising money, or winning on the field, hiring good coaches, getting millions in free press, nope. Only thing Danny White can do to be a good AD is schedule better teams, even if it means playing more road games and costing our program $2m/game.

BTW - when's the last time Alabama had a true road game against a G5? They haven't even had a true road game in 7 years (and those were P5). FSU has had what, 1 road game against a G5 opponent in 5 years? I went back to 1995 for UF and couldn't find a G5 opponent on the road.

Here's some interesting info on scheduling and how the P5 stacks the deck. Home field advantage is huge in college football.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/true-nonconference-road-games-prove-hazardous-to-college-football-playoff-hopes/

Based on this, i'm not even sure Danny White could get a 2 for 1 and keep that 1 at home. Most likely it'd be a neutral site, or if we did sign the 2 for 1, UF would cancel the road game at UCF like they did a few years back.

It's interesting that you say we should demand more, but you seem perfectly content for UCF to take the scraps the P5 is offering.

But please, by all means, tell me how UCF could be doing so much better if we didn't have this "clown".

[UCFJayBird]

This has peaked my interest in P5 scheduling by the way.

This year of the 14 SEC schools, they only had 7 true road games, and only 1 road game against the G5, and it was Arkansas vs Colorado State. You know when Arkansas' last road game vs a G5 team was before this? 1999.

https://www.coloradoan.com/story/sports/csu/football/2018/09/05/arkansas-sec-football-teams-rarely-travel-non-power-5-games/1206516002/

[silent1900]

This has peaked my interest in P5 scheduling by the way.

This year of the 14 SEC schools, they only had 7 true road games, and only 1 road game against the G5, and it was Arkansas vs Colorado State. You know when Arkansas' last road game vs a G5 team was before this? 1999.

https://www.coloradoan.com/story/sports/csu/football/2018/09/05/arkansas-sec-football-teams-rarely-travel-non-power-5-games/1206516002/

And just to further dispel these SEC myths, I think they are 22-21 against the rest of the Flower Five the last four years.

[tiderulz]

This has peaked my interest in P5 scheduling by the way.

This year of the 14 SEC schools, they only had 7 true road games, and only 1 road game against the G5, and it was Arkansas vs Colorado State. You know when Arkansas' last road game vs a G5 team was before this? 1999.

https://www.coloradoan.com/story/sports/csu/football/2018/09/05/arkansas-sec-football-teams-rarely-travel-non-power-5-games/1206516002/

all SEC schools play at a minimum, 4 road games a year. SEC road games are true road games. and a neutral site game is a road game too. Alabama playing in Orlando is not a home game, it is a road game.

and for many G5 schools, they give up a home game to get the payday.

[UCFJayBird]

This has peaked my interest in P5 scheduling by the way.

This year of the 14 SEC schools, they only had 7 true road games, and only 1 road game against the G5, and it was Arkansas vs Colorado State. You know when Arkansas' last road game vs a G5 team was before this? 1999.

https://www.coloradoan.com/story/sports/csu/football/2018/09/05/arkansas-sec-football-teams-rarely-travel-non-power-5-games/1206516002/

all SEC schools play at a minimum, 4 road games a year. SEC road games are true road games. and a neutral site game is a road game too. Alabama playing in Orlando is not a home game, it is a road game.

and for many G5 schools, they give up a home game to get the payday.

I meant out of conference, should've clarified


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[nymets1]

Oh i didn't know about this until now but there's apparently a new football stadium under construction for UCF. Does anybody know about the exact location of the new football stadium under construction? We sure do need to upgrade our seating capacity at our football stadium that can hold over 50,000 seats.

https://ucf.rivals.com/news/jeremiah-jean-baptiste-excited-about-his-future-at-ucf

He says he liked learning more about UCF's future facility plans. A new football building is currently under construction and the school will soon break ground on "Recovery Cove," a lazy river resort-style pool adjacent to the stadium that will be reserved for student-athlete use.

"All the construction they're doing to upgrade our facilities and resources will help us become an even better team," Jean-Baptiste said.

[nymets1]

https://awfulannouncing.com/ncaa/american-athletic-conference-lock-in-ucf.html

So, there are a few possible options for the likes of UCF.

1. One is to commit to the AAC for the long term, boosting its revenues and perhaps getting a larger slice of them, but writing off the dream of making it to the Power Five.

2. Another is to sign a long-term AAC deal, but one without that grant of rights and at a lower dollar figure; that gives the conference some stability, but also gives the top school an out if someone else comes calling.

3. And a third is to push for the AAC to only sign a short-term TV contract and then reassess once the Power Five moves become more apparent; that could leave money on the table versus a long-term deal, but it could also keep options open. We’ll see which way they go.

So if those are the only 3 options, Option #1 is the worst for us but best for the conference. What's the better option between #2 or #3? What if we didn't accept any of the 3 chooses and we are waiting to get into a P5 conference, The AAC can't eliminate us from the conference could they?

[UCFJayBird]

Oh i didn't know about this until now but there's apparently a new football stadium under construction for UCF. Does anybody know about the exact location of the new football stadium under construction? We sure do need to upgrade our seating capacity at our football stadium that can hold over 50,000 seats.

https://ucf.rivals.com/news/jeremiah-jean-baptiste-excited-about-his-future-at-ucf

He says he liked learning more about UCF's future facility plans. A new football building is currently under construction and the school will soon break ground on "Recovery Cove," a lazy river resort-style pool adjacent to the stadium that will be reserved for student-athlete use.

"All the construction they're doing to upgrade our facilities and resources will help us become an even better team," Jean-Baptiste said.

not a new stadium, but some new facilities. Here's a link to the update from May.

http://ucfknights.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=34100&ATCLID=211759855

[UCF]

Have to believe Danny White will do due diligence before signing anything long-term. He’s got our athletic program going in the right direction. More importantly the donors are in sync with what he’s trying to build.

I do believe the stadium is on his next fundraising campaign based on his comments about the current setup being the lower bowl. There’s a lot of room for improvement but that will take major investment.

[nymets1]

https://theathletic.com/706227/2018/12/11/big-12-expansion-ucf-football/

[craig01]

https://theathletic.com/706227/2018/12/11/big-12-expansion-ucf-football/

Great article

[UCF]

Always great to be at the top of the list; I just wish the list mattered at the moment. There are some selective leaks going on at the moment that makes me think our tv contract is moving along.

[drsd]

https://theathletic.com/706227/2018/12/11/big-12-expansion-ucf-football/

As this is a basketball site, the Big-12 would be a brutal schedule for the Knights. Short term, the team might go winless for a couple years in conference. But it would definitely help recruitment for the Men's team.

For NCAAF, there are a lot of regular wins. After Oklahoma and Texas, I really see little separation in current quality to Iowa State, West Virginia, and TCU. And the Knights should get pro forma wins against Kansas, Oklahoma St., Texas Tech, and Kansas St. In good years, UCF could easily go 9-3 in the Big-12.

It will be interesting to see who the 12th team would be if UCF gets in. Houston of course makes sense. I would think that Memphis is another possibility.

[tiderulz]

https://theathletic.com/706227/2018/12/11/big-12-expansion-ucf-football/

As this is a basketball site, the Big-12 would be a brutal schedule for the Knights. Short term, the team might go winless for a couple years in conference. But it would definitely help recruitment for the Men's team.

For NCAAF, there are a lot of regular wins. After Oklahoma and Texas, I really see little separation in current quality to Iowa State, West Virginia, and TCU. And the Knights should get pro forma wins against Kansas, Oklahoma St., Texas Tech, and Kansas St. In good years, UCF could easily go 9-3 in the Big-12.

It will be interesting to see who the 12th team would be if UCF gets in. Houston of course makes sense. I would think that Memphis is another possibility.

I dont think Houston makes sense. Big12 already has 4 out of 10 teams from Texas. If they make a move to expand, i think they would want a team from another state. Memphis to me makes a bit more sense.

[drsd]

I dont think Houston makes sense. Big12 already has 4 out of 10 teams from Texas. If they make a move to expand, i think they would want a team from another state. Memphis to me makes a bit more sense.

Adding the NCAAB considerations, Memphis make huge sense for the Big-12 (with or without UCF).



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[UCF]

Houston doesn’t make sense but that’s what being in a conference dominated by Texas teams will push for. The last go around on expansion the political implications were intense.

Academics factored in Memphis is rated as R2. Houston and UCF are R1. When dealing with presidents that will factor in as well.

[tiderulz]

Houston doesn’t make sense but that’s what being in a conference dominated by Texas teams will push for. The last go around on expansion the political implications were intense.

Academics factored in Memphis is rated as R2. Houston and UCF are R1. When dealing with presidents that will factor in as well.

ehh, i dont think so imo. expansion is all about sports and sports generated revenue. i can see the point about politics, but the Texas teams will politic against Houston imo, as they dont want to legitimize Houston in the eyes of recruits they fight for in Texas. I think that is why it took so long to get TCU in, as they didnt want to help their recruiting against Texas/A&M.

[UCFJayBird]

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Favorite quote:

As one Power 5 athletic director said, “Sometimes it feels like they’re deciding based on recruiting rankings and not the games actually played on the field.”

[drsd]

This new thread title is Magic. I am super excited about this game. A game UCF can solidify its legacy with.